If you’ve made your choice for president, are you voting more for him, or against his opponent?

Some Republicans and Democrats appear unenthusiastic about their candidates for president. Today’s Question: If you’ve made your choice for president, are you voting more for him, or against his opponent?

  • John

    I’m voting for him, Gary Johnson. The only candidate that will end the wars, balance the budget, end the war on drugs and legalize marijuana, and focus on building the American infrastructure. None of the other candidates will do any of these things, in fact the other two will do the complete opposite.

  • Melina

    I’m voting for Obama because I think he needs more time to work towards the goals he has listed. Congress has been fighting him making it hard to get anything done in Washington.

  • Clark

    One of the benefits of my career path is that I travel the globe on a constant basis. In 2012, 27 countries so far, meeting with both clients and employees.

    During late evening dinners, I always ask the same question to my dinner guests. Why is your country in so much ecomnic trouble with high debts, high unemployment and low or negative GDP growth?

    Except in countries such as Greece, Russia and Ukraine where corruption is also a major factor in stiffeling economic growth,

    I always hear the same comments. Over the years, the government promised more benefits to the citizens then the economy could deliver and now there are no workable solutions.

    This is a crystal ball for the U.S. but we fail to understand the future economic disaster

    I am not sure if the U.S. has reached this tipping point but cities, counties, states and the federal government are close.

    Obama comes from the moocher class and his primary support is from the moocher class so he will never speak the truth about the math. Despite what you hear, there are not enough wealthy to solve this problem. Even if you took it all, not enough to solve the Obama spending problem.

    I don’t know if Romney and Ryan will speak the truth, but they certainly have my vote because I do know both obama and the radical left will continue to tell the moocher class their problems would be solved if only the “rich” paid more in taxes. This is a lie and the math simply can’t support this statement.

    So, should obama win, enjoy your work at the government funded windmill factory.

  • Rich

    When I look at the economy, I can’t see how Obama can win. And then I look at Romney and I don’t see how Obama can lose.

    Although I don’t support President Obama on everything. I am starting to think Mr. Romney’s success at Bane was riding a tsunami of cheap credit rather down to any actual skill as a decision maker.

  • linda

    I will support the President for another four years. with Mr. Romney, it all depends on what time of day, where he is and who he is talking to to know what he maybe supporting at that particular moment. Locally, I do not support the cnstitutional amendments and would vote against local republican candidates.

  • Steve the Cynic

    My vote for president has always been more motivated by opposition to the other guy than by support for anyone. I might have been persuaded to vote for McCain, had he been the GOP nominee in 2000, but then they nominated Shrub instead.

  • Bill

    Again, its the lesser of two evils. Both candidates are owned by the big banks and corporations. Both will do what Israel wants, more war. Both will do nothing to lead the country out of this great depression and debt crisis we are in and continue to slide downwards.

    I will not vote for either of these two clowns. If Ron Paul was in I would vote for him but Gary Johnson is just as good and he’s in.

  • Richard

    To me, Mr. Romney is a potentially good candidate who’s wrong for 2012. What’s Romney’s strength? Pragmatism. Deal making. Cutting to the chase. It’s how Romney made money in business. It’s how pretty much any of us make money in business. That could be Romney’s brand.

    But not in 2012, not with the Tea Party and Grover Norquist. Pragmatism is weakness. Deal making is compromise. Cutting to the chase is selling out.

    No wonder Romney’s campaign is struggling to find focus. The man is asked to be what he is not. He’d have to be one heck of an actor to pull that one off.

  • Claire

    I remember in the worst days of the 2008 campaign, my brother’s father-in-law asked me how I expected to vote and I told him that John McCain seems to be doing everything he can think of to make me vote for Obama but I refuse to be manipulated. Romney, however, looks set to pull it off.

  • Jennifer

    I’ voting for honesty, civil discourse, integrity and compassion. Obama “gets” that, so he gets my vote. I’m not compelled on any account to vote for the other guy.

  • PattyFromTexas

    I’ll be voting for Gary Johnson. Both Romney and Obama support and endorse policies that have impoverished our country (TARP/Stimulous) both support indefinite detention of American citizens without due process (NDAA) both support the endless wars, and drone strikes which are not making us safer but only creating more enemies. Do YOU feel safer now than on 9/10/2001? I sure don’t. I am not voting AGAINST anyone, but rather FOR policies that make sense.

  • Jim G

    This election I will be voting for Obama.

    I’m voting for inclusion and against exclusion.

    I’m voting for the Affordable Care Act, Medicare, and Social Security and against everyone for themselves predatory business models.

    I’m voting for the middle class and against powerful billionaires trying to buy this election.

    I’m voting for solving the economic, educational and demographic challenges facing this country and against the obstructionist, selfish, and exclusionary thinking that has taken root in the GOP.

  • Chris

    I actually don’t feel like I’m voting for one person. Both seem so tied to their parties that a vote for either is a vote for the whole party’s platform. To that end, I am not voting just against one but against his whole party. The choice really is to refuse to endorse a platform not a person.

  • Larry M.

    I am voting for the president, but also against the republican party as a whole. In my opinion constitutionally it is congress’s job to send bills for the president to sign or veto. When you have the house unwilling to compromise with the senate (which is pretty evenly split) for political gain and put our nation dangerously close to default which lowered our credit rating, you have a republican led house working for their party and not the American people.

  • Rich in Duluth

    I’m voting for Obama, or more specifically, for the ideals of the party he represents. Government is about spending money as efficiently as possible and business is about accumulating money as efficiently as possible. The last thing this country needs for a leader is a businessman and the ideals of big business.

  • bob

    A little bit of both. Obama is a mixed bag for me, but IMHO, we have to keep Romney away from the levers of presidential power.

  • Paul

    I vote For the candidate; after all, it is a zero sum game. If I don’t want an electee to think they have a mandate, I just don’t vote.

  • Wally

    As I’ve said before, whoever’s president has little effect on the burgeoning debt, the erosion of the constitution, the expanding police state, and the bureaucracy which runs it all, for our “benefit” of course.

    Ron Paul tried to follow the rules, but then the Repubs twisted and changed the rules, and just played dirty to silence him and his supporters.

    I’m not real excited about Libertarian Gary Johnson.

    Can I stomach another four years of B.O., his empty promises, and more trillions of debt-driven futile stimulus plans?

    Can I stand four years of Willard Mitt Romney, his empty promises, and more trillions of debt which he has little power to stop?

    So whoever I vote for, I’ll be holding my nose.

  • GregX

    I’ve selected my candidate because of a documented history of performance and outcomes, because of a coherent and sensible world view and political accumen is directed toward balance and away from excess. Obama.

    Mitt Romney hasn’t presented any coherent, tangible, improved alternative to the Obama approach. His persistent vaguery and lack of acknowledgement for past postitions indicates a leader who’s looking over his shoulder .. instead of ahead.

  • Evan

    I’m more in the holding my nose and voting category.

  • Mary

    I’m voting FOR the President. He’s proven that he can handle the most responsible job in the world without arrogance, greed or ineptitude.

  • Craig

    For my own part, I’m voting against a party and it’s mindset more than for the candidate or against his opponents.

  • Mark in Freeborn

    I’m voting FOR Obama and AGAINST Romney. Does that give me two votes?

  • Regnar James

    A Mr. Big ear lacks the fortitude to make any meaningful hard decision. (Unless it tends towards socialism)

    And Mr. Richey Rich lacks my trust.

    I guess that puts me in the voting against the one not born in the USA camp:-)


  • Sheri


    I am happily voting FOR the President!

    First time in 40+ years of life that I have been able to say those words.

  • Amy

    No doubts here: My husband Mike and I are voting FOR President Obama.

  • Owen

    Without the Libertarian candidate, I’d be leaving that choice blank.

    I’d really like a “None of the Above” category, and leave the office empty for a term if a majority selected it.

  • John P. Fitzgerald Jr.

    I’m voting FOR Barack Obama and not against Mitt Romney because I think that he will be reckoned in the future as one of our finest presidents.

    As Tom Friedman wrote in the New York Times last year, “He’s never gotten the credit he deserves for bringing the economy he inherited back from the brink of a depression. He’s fought the war on terrorism in a smart and effective way. He’s making health care possible for millions of Americans with pre-existing conditions, and he saved the auto industry. This is big stuff.”

    And, he did all of this in the face of some of the bitterest opposition that any president has ever faced. Not since Franklin Roosevelt has this country had such a superb leader.

  • georges

    Not since Franklin Delano Roosevelt has this country had such an incompetent self-anointed demigod for a president.

    Except for LBJ, that is.


    A president so inept, so out of touch with reality, that it takes him two weeks to realize that attacks on our embassies, and murder of our ambassador, is a terrorist attack.

    Gomer Pyle knew it on day One.


  • joberg

    No question, Romney and Ryan. Viewing these posts, am I happy I relocated from the socialist republic of Minnesota.

  • Gordon near Two Harbors

    I’m voting FOR Obama. What kind of American would vote for a heretic who represents the same people and policies that got us into this economic mess in the first place?

  • Linda in Plymouth

    I am to vote FOR any the candidate who is with integrity, is honest, has experience in work and economy and keeps his promises. who said these promises?

    ” I will be the most transparent administration”

    ( Fast and Furious gun walking– Border patrol killed by USA government sold guns.) ( Congress investigation showed refusal to cooperate)

    ” My appointed Attorney General will prosecute regardless of race or party.” ( Black Panthers let go after voter intimidation. This also remind me of dictator Ceaușescu in 1980’s Romania..silencing the people.

    ” If elected I will cut debt in half in the first year”

    ( debt grew by over $5 trillon dollars! and interest rate go to near zero_ retirees lose their income, all suffer but not so much for President’s friends at selected Banks.)

    “If elected electricity rates will necessarily sky rocket..coal company they will not stay in business.” ( yes, he keep that promise..and middle class family suffers to pay their costs.)

    ” If I sign bill to spend $870 billion, I promise unemployment will not go over 8% ” ( Unemployment always then above 8%, half of blacks have 40% or more unemployment. USA women hit hardest in unemployment too.)

    ” I will help energy plan for green energy to be less dependent on foreign oil.” ( President signs away $20 Billion of your tax dollar to give to Brazil so they can do deep water drilling. Obama says to them, “USA wants to be your best customer.” That helped USA economy and our jobs here? No..made worse.)

    “Give me more money for shovel to ready jobs..we have shovel jobs ready to go.” ( Then he gives speech and laughs, he laughed and said, ” Those shovel ready jobs were not so shovel ready.”

    “If elected I will defend the Constitution.” That is the oath he took. But instead he sends Hillary Clinton to United Nations to agree to UN demands we give up some of our free speech and our Second Amendment rights. Some say they used Fast and Furious scam to show evidence that bad USA sells too many guns. He has his Secretary of State lie to public on TV, did not defend our Ambassador at consulate, then lies some more. Europe is laughing every day at USA so weak under Obama. President that lie to the public is so much like your old Nixon.

    How can public vote with facts when most of media ignore negatives of President? They spend 12 minutes on terroristic attack on our consulate at Bengazi but they speak for days and days on some stupid phrase the Romney says at a speech.

    They do NPR stories on Mormon religion yet never discuss Obama’s 20 years at radical hate America Black liberation Theology church of Reverend Wright…is that fair? Romney wait months to release a tax forms and media crys yet Obama waits 3 years for release of birth records and still does not show the original birth certificate or does he release his college records..If so smart then why he doesn’t release his grades and thesis written?

    I vote for anyone than our current one because he so many times will lie and media supports his lies.

    You want honesty and integrity in your leaders, then demand it_ but no one asks Obama to explain what he has done. When American dollar is worth 60 cents, then maybe the public will wake up? Maybe not_ dollar is worth 71 cents today from what we had years a go in spending power. gasoline more than has doubled..that added cost hurts the poor more than rich. Families are now $4,000.00 less income today then in 2009, food stamps use doubled, our technology in drone stealth was left for Iran to grab and give to China_ no media talk of that story..Obama gets another pass for incompetency.

    I see America today is now more concerned with voting for a smooth talker with no real experience instead than a man who is strong and can lead and who can stop this UN socialism take over and Islamist appeasement…. My ambassador was killed but a few hours later my President is on jet to las Vegas to fund raise..He should have addressed the nation to say “OUR country was attacked, that will not stand.” Instead, Obama’s flitty about to campaign in Las Vegas_ NO, THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE in a true leader of the free world.

    I came here for freedom and opportunity from our own hard work. Not for free loading and hand outs and excuses to our enemies to make a country weaker. I vote for freedom an liberty and so anyone anyone other than Obama will get our votes. He needs to go back to Chicago where his crooks live and play by their own rules. America, YOU deserve better.

  • David

    Obama refuses to talk of ending the war on drugs and and the prohibition of cannabis.

    Which makes my only 2 reasonable choices either Green or Libertarian.

  • georges


    Somebody drank the “got us into this economic mess in the first place” kool-aid……..

    Didn’t think there was any of that left in the fridge……


  • Linda in Plymouth

    To the words of What kind of American would vote for a heretic who represents the same people and policies that got us into this economic mess in the first place?

    Posted by Gordon near Two Harbors | September 28, 2012 6:28 PM

    Gordon knows so little of who and how the mortgage industry made all things worse. He needs to read the “Affordable Home Act” signed to law by liberal Democrats many many years a go….it was more free handouts to get more poor voters. The congressional records show USA has spent so many billions on poverty in the past 30 years but the poverty rate stays same or is higher in many areas. You see now who got USA into such economic troubles..the government messes with business and forces to pick who succeeds or not succeed. Talk about Solyndra company gets USA loan but is soon gone bad, we are out $$$$$ half billion of our, yes our money. Think how many children could have got clothes for winter with half a billion instead of a messed up solar company that goes bankrupt.

  • Gordon near Two Harbors

    Linda in Plymouth,

    The Affordable Home Act was passed years ago and likely had little real impact on the housing crisis. There were plenty of folks with great incomes who were borrowing far more money than they could afford to lose on everything from boats to lake homes to rental housing. It was a free-for-all, because the folks making the loans received commissions for every loan they closed on.

    I’m always leery about blaming poor people, who generally have little political clout, on this country’s problems.

    The government has always picked winners and losers in business. An entire industry is at the mercy of the Defense Department, and oil companies have been the beneficiaries of preferencial tax treatment for decades, despite being extremely profitable–same with farmers who are paid NOT to grow crops!!!

    The taxpayer has been subsidizing virtually every part of the economy for many, many years. No private business would provide air service, mail delivery, electricity, or internet to VAST portions of this country without government support, because it would not be profitable.

  • Linda in Plymouth

    I do not think so much that most vote with a real understanding of the world or even the USA policies. Too many in both parties have wasted too much but today the issue is who can fix the state of affairs?

    4 years later and our debt is nearing Greece, our dollar is worth less, more are in poverty and more are unemployed..if a President can’t bring Congress to gether then nothing is fixed. Obama failed. He can not even get his own, Harry Reid, to bring debate and a vote on so many bills to work for solutions. Why is that so?

    The media, even NPR stories and discussions refuse to talk of Senate Leader Harry Reid’s Senate obstructions, they refuse to pass a budget in nearly 4 years. Everyone voted NO on Obama’s frist and only offer of a budget plan_ that is how bad it was that his own DFL refused it.

    Can MPR ask the DFL Senators to explain or ask the White House adminstration to explain why they lied to all Americans on the terrorist Islamist radical attack that killed our own citizens at the consulate? There is no discussion of the media hiding this or the ignoring of the story of the White House covering it up. No President address to the citizens right after the Ambassador’s murder, that is telling right there. Hillary Clinton is in charge of our consulates and she pulled back security, whitehouse said it was to show a “low profile” in Libya…more politics that harm our own people. Two weeks later after the death finally the administration says they had the story wrong but no FBI has yet to be in Libya to investigate..FBI is not in charge of acts of war over seas…..President shows he is a Islamist sympathizer..he condemns the bad film and arrests with FBI the film maker yet he says nothing_ nothing_ when a bad artist shows a Christian crucifix in urine at a NY city art showing near the U.N. Obama appeases Islamists while we lose our country and freedoms. Is that good for re electing Obama? Only so true _ if _ you want Islam’s Sharia law in the USA and we lose our Republic , Sharia Law is evil_ it is where USA women will have no freedoms. and no rights. Ask any woman in Bosnia or Lybia or Egypt, It was in Egypt where protesters also raped women journalists in he public square when Mousad ran away. Did most media cover that atrocity? No they did not. So if most media including NPR does not report and do their job, then how can average citizens know truths to vote for their beliefs?

  • Emery

    Both politicians are pandering to a rich elite by telling them exactly what they want to hear, which in each case is a fantasy. In Obama’s case, he’s relying on the long-standing liberal fantasy that most Americans are illiterate rubes who don’t understand that voting for the Democrats is in their economic self-interest. In fact, many non-wealthy Americans really do vote on social rather than economic issues with their eyes wide open, don’t trust that the liberal elite can ‘manage’ the economy efficiently to deliver the promised handouts, and think handouts are morally wrong and economically ruinous anyway. They find the ideas and morality of the liberal elite deeply offensive, which is why they vote Republican.

    Meanwhile Romney is telling his backers that everything they ever sort-of read by Rand and Hayek is true, that we’re already well down the Road to Serfdom, that half of America is addicted to welfare dependency, that everyone with money has it because they’re the smartest and most hard working Americans, and that America would be a far better place if only the government would let the elite keep all of their money and forced the little people to work hard and show a little gumption. In fact, most of those rich people inherited money, led priviliged childhoods, had priviliged educations, and those few that truly created something were blessed with as much luck as skill or effort. Most recipients of government handouts are sick, old, or have suffered grevious hardship, and most have and will work far harder than the rich people in the room.

    The delusional fantasies of left-wing and right-wing wealthy elites are actually much closer to each other than they are to reality. They both assume that poor people are stupid and/or lazy and deeply in need of guidance and instruction from hard working, smart rich people. Their conception of the middle class, much less the poor, is a caricature formed in the vacuum created by their lack of contact with anyone outside of the elite. I guarantee you that the right-wing and left-wing elites understand and respect each other far better than they understand the plebians whom each holds in such low regard. Why wouldn’t they? They went to school and live together. The notion that Barack Obama and the people running the Democratic party are not part of the elite is completely laughable. The only difference is that he’s first generation (Romney’s second generation). His grandchildren will probably be rabid right-wingers.

  • kevins

    I can’t vote for anyone that does not understand the impact of poverty on our country and culture. Therefore, I happily support Obama, as do my wife and four voting age children.

  • jockamo

    Where’s Waldo?

    Wald O. Bama?

    He’s been spending his time with Nero.

    NerO Bama.

    And both of them are over there with Ostrich O. Bama.

    Sticking their heads in the sand.

    Birds of a feather……..


  • Steve the Cynic

    “HarHarHar”? Is that meant to be a clue, jockamoo/georges, that you’re not really serious? That what you’re posting is so obviously preposterous that we should take it as satire? That you’re really a radical lefty posing as a buffoonish right-wingnut to discredit conservatives? Because everything you post seems designed to alienate people of good will from the opinions you purport to hold.

  • Ron Converse

    At least this year there is some difference between the two candidates. I haven’t voted for an R or a D for as long as I can remember. I’m for Gary Johnson.

  • Mary C

    I am enthusiastically voting FOR President Obama. I frankly don’t understand how anyone could vote FOR Romney. I have concluded those voting for Romney are doing so only to vote against the President.

  • Thomas

    I voted for Obama for a number of reasons, the clincher was that I believed his intention and reasoning when he said:

    “The war on drugs has been an utter failure. We need to rethink and decriminalize our nation’s marijuana laws.” in a January 21, 2004 debate.

    He said: “When I was a kid I inhaled frequently. That was the point.”

    Obama also categorically pledged to not use federal resources to go after medical marijuana dispensaries operating legally under state law, and his Justice Department even issued a memo to that effect. But what’s happened?

    As far as Romney?

    His statement on Cannabis in May 2012:

    “I think marijuana should not be legal in this country. I believe it’s a gateway drug to other drug violations. The use of illegal drugs in this country is leading to terrible consequences in places like Mexico and actually in our own country, I oppose legalization of marijuana. I oppose legalization of other kinds of drugs, but I can tell you that I have a plan to get this economy going.”

    “I believe marijuana should be illegal in our country. It is the pathway to drug usage by our society, which is a great scourge — which is one of the great causes of crime in our cities, and I believe we are at a state where, of course, we are very concerned about people who are suffering, and there are various means of providing pain management.”

    October 4, 2007, Romney speaking to students at St. Anselm Institute of Politics in Manchester, New Hampshire

    “People talk about medicinal marijuana. And you know, you hear that story that people who are sick need medicinal marijuana. But marijuana is the entry drug for people trying to get kids hooked on drugs. I don’t want medicinal marijuana; there are synthetic forms of marijuana that are available for people who need it for prescription. Don’t open the doorway to medicinal marijuana.”

    July 25, 2007, Romney speaking at a town hall meeting in Bedford, New Hampshire

    However others have said:

    “There are just laws and there are unjust laws. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.” – Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

    “Two of my favorite things are sitting on my front porch smoking a pipe of sweet hemp, and playing my Hohner harmonica.” – Abraham Lincoln, U.S. President, from a letter written by Lincoln during his presidency to the head of the Hohner Harmonica Company in Germany

    “Prohibition… goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man’s appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes… A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded. “- Abraham Lincoln

    “I am convinced that there are genuine and valid levels of perception available with cannabis (and probably with other drugs) which are, through the defects of our society and our educational system, unavailable to us without such drugs.”

    – Carl Sagan

    “The illegality of cannabis is outrageous, an impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world.” – Carl Sagan

    “The best hemp and the best tobacco grown on the same kind of soil. The former article is of first necessity to the commerce and marine, in other words to the wealth and protection of the country. The latter, never useful and sometimes pernicious, derives its estimation from caprice.”

    -Thomas Jefferson, 3rd U.S. President, Jefferson’s journal entry / March 16, 1791

    “the greatest service which can be rendered any country is to add an useful plant to it’s culture; especially a bread grain. next in value to bread, is oil.”

    – Thomas Jefferson Memorandum of Services to My Country, after 2 September 1800

    “Some of my finest hours have been spent on the back of my veranda, smoking hemp and observing as far as the eye can see.” – Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President

    “We shall, by and by, want a world of hemp more for our own consumption. “- John Adams, 2nd U.S. President

    “However, the connection of hemp as a crop and marijuana seems to be exaggerated. The drug is usually produced from wild hemp or locoweed which can be found on vacant lots and along railroad tracks in every state. If federal regulations can be drawn to protect the public without preventing the legitimate culture of hemp, this new crop can add immeasurably to American agriculture and industry.” – Popular Mechanics Magazine, VOL. 69 February, 1938 NO. 2 “New Billion-Dollar Crop” article.

    “Why use up the forests which were centuries in the making and the mines which required ages to lay down, if we can get the equivalent of forest and mineral products in the annual growth of the hemp fields?”

    – Henry Ford

    “Marijuana never kicks down your door in the middle of the night. Marijuana never locks up sick and dying people, does not suppress medical research, does not peek in bedroom windows. Even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value, marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could.”—William F. Buckley, Jr. (1925-2008)

    Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself; and where they are, they should be changed. Nowhere is this more clear than in the laws against possession of marihuana in private for personal use… Therefore, I support legislation amending Federal law to eliminate all Federal criminal penalties for the possession of up to one ounce of marihuana. – Jimmy Carter, U.S. President: Message to Congress, August 2, 1977.

    “If adults want to take such chances (with marijuana) that is their business.” -Ronald Reagan, 40th U.S. President

    If the words “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” don’t include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn’t worth the hemp it was written on.

    – Terence McKenna

    “I think that most small amounts of marijuana have been decriminalized in some places, and should be. We really need a re-examination of our entire policy on imprisonment…Our imprisonment policies are counterproductive.” – Bill Clinton, 42nd U.S. President

    “Make the most of the Indian hemp seed, and sow it everywhere! “- George Washington, First U.S. President

    So who can I choose?

    If Obama doesn’t get on the ball with discussing and doing the right thing,

    it’s either Green Jill Stein or Libertarian Gary Johnson.

  • James Keeler

    So much nonsense posted, so little time. Thank you Emery, for the moment of sanity.

    And no, the poor buying houses did not cause the collapse of the US economy- the consuming of cheap credit by all classes did. I frequently turned down aggressive loan offers, many that would have once been called loan sharking, and used to be punished as felonies. Before deregulation. “Bad money drives out good money.” This is not a new concept.

    I will try to decide who will do the least amount of irreparable damage, hold my nose, and vote.