Does your party have a presidential candidate you can get behind?

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie insisted again on Tuesday that he will not run for president in this election cycle. So the eventual major party nominees are probably already on stage. Today’s Question: Does your party have a presidential candidate you can get behind?

  • Yes!

    Barack Obama.

  • Clark

    I have never voted for a democrat and not planning to vote for Obama in 2012. I will agree he has been doing a good job going after the muslim terrorists.

    He has no idea how to expand the economy other than redistribution of income to the freeloaders. He is absolutely clueless to the point it is scary for business.

    As a moderate, it would be Romney. I have met and worked with Perry and in my opinion to conservative and dishonest.

    For those on the far left, private business will NOT hire as long as Obama, pelosi and reed try to turn our country into France.

  • Hiram


  • Kurt

    As Obama is easily the worst President in my lifetime, it would be nice if there were someone relatively inspiring to oppose him. Perhaps Cain. I don’t know enough about him yet. Won’t be Obama. That much I know.

  • Sara

    Yes. Barack Obama.

    I don’t think our country’s middle class could survive another Republican president.

  • Rich

    Unfortunately it’ll come down to the lesser of two evils….

  • GaryF

    I will have to support the person with the best chance at beating our current President.

    No, that person isn’t always your favorite.

    The economy won’t start to recover until the current President is out of office. So, you have 1.3 years or 5.3 years, your choice.

  • Steve the Cynic

    “He has no idea how to expand the economy other than redistribution of income to the freeloaders.”

    By “freeloaders,” Clark, are you referring to the Wall Street money shufflers, whose banks got bailed out so they got to keep their unseemly bonuses? Oh, I forgot. That started under the previous administration. I fully agree, though, that this ongoing redistribution of income from the poor and middle class to the idle hyper-rich has got to stop.

  • kimMN


  • Steve the Cynic

    My party doesn’t have a presidential candidate. It does, however, have a keg of pretty good microbrew.

  • Reggie

    Yes, the incumbent.

    To those who complain that Pres. Obama hasn’t been better able to clean up the messes left behind by Bush/Cheney and the collapse of the global economy, I have just a few scary words: McCain/Palin, Perry, Bachmann. Think things are bad? They could be worse.

  • Rich

    Its great luck for Obama that he is up against Perry and Romney. With Perry you get a smoother Bush but a Bush all the same, and with Mitt? well we’ve seen it all before, why should this time be any different.

  • linda

    Yes, I will support President Obama. There have been comments made that he doesn’t know how to stimulate the economy; yet, the republicans in Congress have blocked everything he has tried to do. How is this Mr. Obama’s fault?

  • GaryF

    Linda, Obama wants more government. More government is not the answer.

    Explain to me how raising taxes on Americans will produce more private sector jobs.

    Obama has no new ideas, we tried them and now we are so over our heads digging deeper will just get us deeper in the whole.

    Our government at all levels in unsustainable.

    We can’t keep following the path of Europe. Look at the mess they are in.

  • mike

    yes and thank God it is The President as he is the only candidate that has the ability, the intelligence and the integrity to hold that office among any of the current candidates.

    The Republican field wants no EPA , no SEC, and no depts of Education and HEW.

    They think it was the government that caused this ecomomic mess and had nothing to do with Wall Street and Banker greed, in other words these guys want to go BACK to 1929 and we all know HOW GREAT that turned out.

  • Philip

    Politicians are not invited to my party. I only invite friends I know and trust.

  • Steve the Cynic

    “Obama has no new ideas….””

    And the Republicans do? Their only idea is more of what got us into this mess in the first place: deregulation of amoral corporations and tax cuts for the already wealthy.

  • Laura Knudsen

    No. The two party system has a strangle hold on our country. I’m not a democrat or republican.

  • Clark

    If you want to understand why the economy is struggling and business won’t hire, watch obama’s interview on ABC Monday.

    The comment that struck me was when he stated: ” Banks don’t have an inherent right to make a profit”.

    This comment alone, provides all the evidence one needs to understand BO is a moron.

    If banks can’t make a profit then how will they remain in business? How will they make loans? How will they employee millions of citizens? Obama hates business, end of story.

    Buy gold, buy swiss franc’s. If BO is re-elected, a depression is inevitable.

  • Mark G

    No, because I don’t have a party. I used to be a Republican, but I found out that all they wanted was my money. I used to be a Democrat, but I found out that all they wanted was my soul. I vote for whoever I think could possibly do the job better than anyone else on the ballot. This sometimes means choosing the least among several possible evils. I must admit, however, I enjoy watching today’s crop of Republican wanna-be-Presidents outdo each other for TV time, outrageousness, spin-doctoring, and sheer chutpah. I’ve heard it compared to a “tallest dwarf” contest, and (with due respect to dwarves everywhere) I think that’s fairly apt.

  • david

    STEPHANOPOULOS: Can you stop this service charge?

    OBAMA: Well, you can stop it because — if you say to the banks, you don’t have some inherent right just to, you know, get a certain amount of profit if your customers are being mistreated — that you have to treat them fairly and transparently. And my hope is, is that you’re going to see a bunch of the banks who say to themselves, “You know what? This is actually not good business practice.” Banks can make money, they can succeed the old-fashioned way — by earning it. By lending to small businesses. By lending to consumers. By making sure that, you know, that we are building the economy together.

    You look like the moron clark. You can’t even get a quote right, instead you go the typical crybaby gop/fox news route and twist it around to try to back up your moronic ideals, you dupe.

  • T

    “What the banks are saying is– that ‘Rather than take a little bit less of a profit. Rather than paying multimillion dollar bonuses. Let’s treat our customers right.’ And this is exactly why we need this Consumer Finance Protection Bureau that we set up that is ready to go,” the president said.

    This is the quote Clark. Obviously not your version….

  • ChrisinStupidMaine

    I don’t know that anyone running truly represents me or my interests.

    Certainly, no one on the GOP (Grand Old Party, ha-ha, what a joke) comes even close. I’ve traditionally voted Democrat, and President Obama does (or did) seem to most closely reflect the values that are important to me. Caveat: In an effort to compromise with the other side, he has, however, ostensibly become a moderate Republican. That’s unfortunate, because that rightward shift gives one a true idea of the depth of the conservatism that seems to have taken strong hold.

    The candidate that would best represent me would be one that was a true advocate for the people. I’ve said it before, but if desiring to live in a society that cares for its citizens by promoting education, encouraging innovation, providing access to healthcare, providing retirement for the elderly, and providing welfare to those who can’t do for themselves – all done by progressively taxing the citizens and businesses in a way that meets these needs makes me a socialist, then I guess that’s what I am. I don’t give a damn what the label is – these are the things that are important (among many others). So, at the moment, I’d say there’s no one running who truly embraces these values, or at least, no one running who is willing to fight for them. And you can trundle out the old “freeloaders” canard as many times as you like. Doesn’t make it true.

  • Jeff


  • NC

    Dear Kurt:

    In response to your comment “As Obama is easily the worst President in my lifetime….”

    You write extremely well for someone who is only 2 1/2 years old!

  • Rich in Duluth

    Yes, Obama

    While, I’m not completely happy with his performance (I wanted the U.S. out of Iraq and Afghanistan, immediately and real universal healthcare), the policies of the Republican candidates would further degrade the quality of life of the majority of people in this country.

    The main constituent of the Republican Party is Big Business, not the Citizens of this country. The Republicans have made it clear that they want to defund the Federal Government and make it unable to function in order to serve Big Business. Perry says, ironically for a candidate for Federal office, that he wants to make the Federal Government “irrelevant” in our lives. Other Republican candidates say they want government out of the way.

    Since we haven’t had a true liberal government since the 60s, the defunding and deregulation started decades ago. Government is the only thing that stands between powerful business interests and the wellbeing of the people.

  • Saul

    Lets please stick to the question today for all readers to ponder.

    State your candidate and why you think he or she is the best answer to see America succeed.

  • kimMN

    Herman Caine stand the best chance for election because he is the only one with a clear plan for economics and job growth, the only one with a proven track record of taking multiple failing business into success, the only one who has sen the inner workings of the Federal reserve and has a plan to take away their unbridled powers affecting Wall Street to the common man and he is the only candidate that went to Israel to show his support of America’s closest ally in the Middle East. His commons sense is from real life work in comparison to Obama who worked 3 weeks for ACORN and never held any responsibility until he did his small stint of 132 active days in Congress. In contrast to Obama, Herman Caine does NOT have a Chicago thug insider as is Valerie Jarrett advising him on every policy including the scalping of our tax dollars of $525 million for failing Green industries while killing thousands of American jobs to be shipped to Mexico and China ( i.e., Ford and GE to name a few) A quick search on Valerie Jarrett’s bio shows her shady dealings and leverage with the Chicago Daley crowd. Search further and we see that Obama was not truthful to the public on the true agenda for weakening America to gain foreign favor. Character means you are who you say you are and when Obama marched in 2008 with the New Black Panthers on election day, an extreme violent radical organization, you have to say ” birds of a feather flock together_ you will be judged by the company you keep.”

    The CBO shows Obama’s Green energy stimulus created a few hundred real jobs at a cost of over $2 million per job created! How is that for wise spending of your tax dollars, money gone for no utility other than to pay back Obama campaign supporters..shame ful. Caine on the other hand, has created real jobs and saved thousands from unemployment…finally our first Black President of the USA arrives.

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  • kim

    Can anyone say what Obama has done for the middle class in the past three years? The economy is worse; 87 octane Gasoline was at $1.87 in 2008, it’s averaging near $4.00 and food has risen 22% across the country, unemployment rose above 7.2% from when he took office..Detroit has closer to 22% unemployment, minorities between 18 -30 are at 39% ? That is the Hope and Change Progress for the middle class? And our foreign policy shows few countries respect or fear America’s strength..Palestine laughs and Iran ignores. At home, the use of his racial politics and class warfare are old tactics from the Handbook for Radicals and it will further divide the country just as he failed to bring Congress together. The president is the Leader and the responsibility is with him for these events, not blaming it away like some Mama’s boy who expects adoration simply for being in the room.

    I give Obama an overall Grade of D- only because he agreed to increase Bush’s policy on use of drones or he would be at an F.

  • kimMN

    George bush created 187,900 jobs at a cost of $1.2 million a year! Unfortunately all those jobs are over seas, in Iraq and Afghanistan.

  • kimMN


  • kimMN

    That’s $1.2 million per job per year!

  • Sheri

    Yes! I support President Obama. For his work ethic. For his ideals. For the daring of his team to try to move the Establishment’s mountains. I still believe that ‘Yes We Can’. Because Yes We Are.

  • GaryF

    I laugh every time Obama says the word transparency. Especially if he expects it from some one else.

  • Melina

    I continue to support President Obama. I continue to have the bumper sticker, “Got Hope” from the last presidential election on my car. I think that says it all.

  • saul

    @Sheri’s post she writes, ” Yes! I support President Obama. For his work ethic. For his ideals. ”

    What work ethic does Obama have? He has never held a real paying job with any responsibility, never ran a business, never hired people. As for his Ideals, is spreading the wealth mantra from Karl Marx sound like the ideals of Americans? Unfortunately Obama has no positive record to stand on besides bailing out his corporate cronnies and the Unions pensions , money took from the working class that is not guaranteed a public jobb

    Now rally, can anyone say what Obama has done good for the middle class in the past three years?

    The economy is worse; 87 octane Gasoline was at $1.87 in 2008, it’s averaging near $4.00 and food has risen 22% across the country, unemployment rose well above 7.2% up to over 9% from when he took office, 22% unemployment of minorities.

    That is the Hope and Change Progress for the middle class? Really???? The president is still the Leader and the responsibility is with him for these events, not blaming it away like some Mama’s boy who expects adoration simply for being in the room. Speeches don’t cut it for a real change.

  • Steve the Cynic

    “….you will be judged by the company you keep.”

    I find it much more reliable to judge people by the enemies they make. Anyone who ticks off the Greedy Oligarchic Plutocrats can’t be all bad.

  • Mike

    Barack Obama is really the only candidate for any of us. He’s the only grown-up on the stage, has shown an ability to compromise, has kept our country safe and has done as well as he could with an intransigent tea-party house of representatives.

    Democrat, Republican or Independent, Barack Obama is our man!

  • Gordon near Two Harbors

    You have to wonder about the mental capacity or patriotism of anybody who would want to go back to the same old right-wing ideologies and cronyism that got us into this mess in the first place. We’re damn lucky that we didn’t fall into another Great Depression when the economy collapsed during the Bush Administration.

    I don’t think the government can “fix” the economy on its own, just like a team of doctors can’t always cure their patient’s cancer. We live in an exceedingly complex, world economy.

    The government can’t force people to spend money they don’t have, and businesses don’t hire when people don’t spend.

  • david

    So what happened to “Lets please stick to the question today for all readers to ponder.

    State your candidate and why you think he or she is the best answer to see America succeed. saul? If that is your real name?

    Saul enlighten the class on who you’re money is on for turning the country around. I hear a lot of anti-Obama BS, but not any viable alternative so far.

  • GregX

    still a democrat – but looking to some other NOT GOP party on occaision – I will vote for Obama. Hernam Caine ? Nah – using low paid labor to deliver half-baked pies isn’t the same as government. Rick Perry – Umm don’t wanna even tempt the Texas mess becoming the US mess – done it once already. Mitt Romney – likeable, affable, marshmallow that whose business sense thinks that he can sell off states the “underperform” his plan. Rick Santorum ? spends too much time trying to look presidential rather than being a good congressman- call him ” the fluffer”. Michelle Bachmann.. you can lead a team it you can’t retain a team. You can’t run a government if you can’t compromise. She’s down on 2 counts. Ron Paul – oh he sounds good on the stump throwing out chestnuts he’s had time to think over … but.. anything fresh pops up and he’s startled. Newt G ? Nothing but air in that head. Plenty of great marketing – but not a clue how to get any of it done. Sarah Palin – she already knows she aint got the chops for it and you can bet the GOP leadership has the necessary data to correct any “problems” she tries to create.

  • Ann

    I won’t vote for Obama, but the Republicans need someone who can communicate as well as Obama. Cain has good ideas and has been a successful leader. Beliefs about God are important because beliefs affect how we see our purpose in life. Romney and Huntsman aren’t options because I believe Jesus is God, the Triune God.

  • mpr supporter

    ~ DERP… I think the regulars here forgot this is just a one answer question from MPR. Maybe you should consider taking your banter to a blog somewhere else.

  • EAL

    Besides what qualifications are outlined in the U.S. Constitution, there are a few qualifications needed for a successful leader (President).

    1) An understanding of the U.S. Constitution (e.g., negative rights, States rights, three branches of the governement). That the government cannot and should not be all things to all people.

    2) As Stephen Covey stated, “Seek fist to understand then to be understood.” In other words not looking at both sides but being able to look at all angles of opportunities and issues.

    3) Understanding, as did former President Clinton, that for the U.S. to thrive, including other countries, capitalism creates wealth for all. Take your pick Mitt Romney and Herman Cain are solid candidates.

  • GaryF–strongly/2011/10/04/gIQAlch2ML_blog.html

    This is Washington Post, an Obama friendly newspaper.

    Better not peel that Hilary sticker off your car!

  • GaryF
  • Ben

    No. Not totally.

    But they never have. I Doubt if they ever will.

    The only thing they have going is their candidate is just ‘slightly’ better than the ‘Other’ party’s candidate.

  • David Koch
  • Linda J

    Herman Caine’s story is compelling and quite truthful without the usual political spin. He too, recognizes the USA as exceptional, the leader of the free world and the USA is still the best country on the earth. Thanks to our soldiers, those heroic Americans who actually do

    some thing for their country. Not like the protesters in NYC who never learned a trade with their hands to find honest work. This poem should help guide us in selecting our next President.

    by Marine Chaplain Father Dennis Edward O’Brien, which pays tribute to our courageous soldiers for their service in protecting the fundamental liberties guaranteed by our Constitution:

    It is the Soldier

    “It is the Soldier, not the reporter

    Who has given us freedom of the press.

    It is the Soldier, not the poet,

    Who has given us freedom of speech.

    It is the Soldier, not the campus organizer,

    Who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.

    It is the Soldier, not the lawyer,

    Who has given us the right to a fair trial.

    It is the Soldier, who salutes the flag,

    Who serves beneath the flag,

    And whose coffin is draped by the flag,

    Who allows the protestor to burn the flag.”

  • Kurt

    Dear NC,

    And yet my critical thinking abilities have already eclipsed yours.

  • kimMN

    Here is a better QUESTION for MN to answer:

    “How do you feel about your tax dollars going to raise campaign funds for your elected officials and would you re-elect this?”

    In St. Louis there is a $25,000-a-person dinner at Tom Carnahan’s house. Tom Carnahan received millions of dollars in loan guarantees from Obama for a unproven unsound solar energy company called Solyndra. This is how the money laundering operation works. Tom Carnahan gets guaranteed loan money from Obama for a fake solar company and then hosts a fundraiser for Obama. This is your and my money that Obama’s giving away in loan guarantees — to a fake solar firm, then he heads into St. Louis for a $25,000-a-plate fundraiser. He’s getting the money back. So what Obama has done, and numerous times, is generate campaign contributions that are taxpayer dollars. Ouch!

  • kimMN


  • James

    I lean Democrat. My party doesn’t have a candidate I can support. Obama is good, and probably well intentioned, but over his head and not great.

    However, I could live with Romney. He’s a smart, sensible guy with tons of relevant experience. Not exciting but likely fine.

    So my party doesn’t have someone I can support, but the other party does. Which probably means he won’t get the nomination. Catch22?

  • Steve the Cynic

    KimMN, on what basis do you say Solyndra was “fake”? From everything I’ve heard about it, it sounds like it was a legitimate business that really could have succeeded, until the Chinese decided to heavily subsidize their photovoltaic industry, and there was no competing with that. As the saying goes, a half truth is a whole lie. I think we’ve heard enough half truths from you.

    Regarding the question of the day, I am pessimistic about the ability of American voters to choose a really good president, given the kind of bullshit that gets believed. Washington, Lincoln, Roosevelt (either one)– people of that calibre could never get elected in today’s political environment. They had too much integrity to pander effectively to any base.

  • kimMN

    To Steve’s comment:

    I agree with you on the Lincoln and Washington part, Washington was asked to run, he didn’t seek it.

    As for Solyndra…”on what basis do you say Solyndra was “fake”? From everything I’ve heard …” Actually, the use of fake was regarding their financial status. Their photo cell research showed their cost was twice what conventional solar cell produces so they tried a new system that just couldn’t be done. True, the Chinese builds the conventional style for less. When Solyndra’s balance sheet was getting low, they needed new investors and a gov guaranteed loan is a sure bet to bring in more investors. The top investor ( Kaiser Fund) was a huge campaign donor to Obama ( his investment was paid back at bankruptcy while we as tax payers were not.. The DOE says there is only 8 million remaining of the 525 million yet to be liquidated possible to go the gov._ but a huge loss for us). The Wall Street Journal covered the FCC, DOE stats pretty well.

    That half a billion dollars could have gone to building better roads with a guaranteed outcome of success that all would benefit from.

    That Obama said on ABC with George S. he didn’t regret the loan and the $ loss is very disturbing to Dems and Repubs alike, especially when he has run the deficit up to now 14.28 trillion. That is 4 times what he inherited from Bush’s over spending.

  • kimMN


  • James


    Debt when Bush took office: $5.7 T

    Debt when Bush left office: $10.6 T

    Curent Debt $14.8 T

    It ain’t pretty but it ain’t 4x what Bush left us either.

  • Gary F
  • DNA

    If Obama legalized Cannabis/hemp or took the plunge and the told the truth about Cannabis/hemp (as Carl Sagan, Abraham Lincoln, Terence McKenna, Milton Friedman, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Popular Mechanics “NEW BILLION-DOLLAR CROP, Popular Mechanics February,1938”, Henry Ford, William F. Buckley, Jr., Louis Armstrong, Jimmy Carter, Nick Jones, Jayelle Farmer, Joycelyn Elders, Dr. Lester Grinspoon, Dr. Donald Tashki, Barney Frank, Dr. Ron Paul, Jack Herer etc…have) and got it moving inexorably back into the hands of people to do the will of the people, Nature and Nature’s God, then I’d say “yes”. Otherwise, I have no party in particular. Green, Grassroots, Libertarian … ok I’ve voted for them too … but I’m peaceful anarchist at heart.

  • kimMN

    James: yes, Bush was terrible with spending as was the old guard GOP. Obama doubled our annual deficit, he spent in 2 years what Bush did in 8 years with two wars.

    America wants what the Tea Party ideals call for. They want fair tax for all, not a “no tax” for half the country and they want to see the end of Obama’s using tax increases for class warfare.

    Americans, in numerous polls, say they want exactly some of the things Obama promised but failed to deliver. For example, Obama said he would change how Congress works, more transparency, no more special interests and no more lobby people within his cabinet. He said he would reduce taxes and cut our deficit in half within the first two years. You are correct, he raised it 1.2 trillion a year plus, to now 14.8 trillion. Trumpka of SEIU is his frequent adviser at the WH. GE’s own CEO who threw thousands of American jobs to over seas gets appointed as Obama’s jobs czar??? Does that make sense. Obama had two years to get his Democrat congress to cut the corporate tax rate from 35% to 9-10% to stop over seas shipping of our jobs..he didn’t.

    Three weeks later, Obama still says nothing about the Wall Street protesters that are actually protesting much of what Obama has promoted with corporate cronnieism and over regulating with the Dodd- Frank bill which happens to be the cause of the terrible $5.00 a month debit card fee by BOA….kind of funny when you sort it out.

    Well, the transparency never happened, recall Pelosi’s stupid comment, ” We got to pass the Heath reform Bill to see what is in it.” The bill was cobbled behind closed doors without any republican involvement. The Eric Holder corruption with the ATF Fast and Furious with no transparency. Obama refused so many Freedom of Information Act requests for Holder’s DOJ.

  • kimMN

    Does it really matter what MN citizens think of a candidate so MPR can use some small feedback for who’s benefit?

    In 2007-2008 the media used Obama as their idol, while others were scrutinized. The media ignored looking at unsavory issues. For example; 2008 Obama on video marching with Shabaz and the New Black Panther Party, a virulent racist hatred group..that was ignored. The media would not look at anything negative about their propped up candidate so will it be any different this year?

  • kimMN


    I really should look up the difference between the deficit and the national debt….


    I wonder if anyone will figure out I’m all talk, as I’ve never once actually said who I would vote for…


    cut the corporate tax rate from 35% to 9-10% sounds good, I think I read that some where. I wish I actually knew what that ment…


    If I keep bringing up fast and furious maybe other stupid people will also not realize that with all the things the president does in a day, I’m sure he is micromanaging the ATF too. Not that any president ever had a clue what the ATF does on a daily basis. Sounds good though, At least to the 2 digit and under I.Q. crowd


    B of A has been circling the drain for years, amazingly it was the frank dodd bill that did them in….


    I get paid $25 a day to post this ridiculous things on line….


  • TimMn

    The Declaration of Evolution

    When in the course of organic evolution it becomes obvious that a mutational process is inevitably dissolving the physical and neurological bonds which connect the members of one generation to the past and inevitably directing them to assume among the species of Earth the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and Nature’s God entitle them, a decent concern for the harmony of species requires that the causes of the mutation should be declared.

    We hold these truths to be self evident:

    *That all species are created different but equal;

    *That they are endowed, each one, with certain inalienable rights;

    *That among them are Freedom to Live, Freedom to Grow, and Freedom to pursue Happiness in their own style;

    *That to protect these God-given rights, social structures naturally emerge, basing their authority on the principles of love of God and respect for all forms of life;

    *That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of life, liberty, and harmony, it is the organic duty of the young members of that species to mutate, to drop out, to initiate a new social structure, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its power in such form as seems likely to produce the safety, happiness, and harmony of all sentient beings.

    Genetic wisdom, indeed, suggests that social structures long established should not be discarded for frivolous reasons and transient causes. The ecstasy of mutation is equally balanced by the pain. Accordingly all experience shows that members of a species are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, rather than to discard the forms to which they are accustomed.

    But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, all pursuing invariably the same destructive goals, threaten the very fabric of organic life and the serene harmony of the planet, it is the right, it is the organic duty to drop out of such morbid covenants and to evolve new loving social structures.

    Such has been the patient sufferance of the freedom-loving peoples of this earth, and such is now the necessity which constrains us to form new systems of government.

    The history of the white, menopausal, mendacious men now ruling the planet earth is a history of repeated violation of the harmonious laws of nature, all having the direct object of establishing a tyranny of the materialistic aging over the gentle, the peace-loving, the young, the colored. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to the judgement of generations to come.

    *These old, white rulers have maintained a continuous war against other species of life, enslaving and destroying at whim fowl, fish, animals and spreading a lethal carpet of concrete and metal over the soft body of earth.

    *They have maintained as well a continual state of war among themselves and against the colored races, the freedom-loving, the gentle, the young. Genocide is their habit.

    *They have instituted artificial scarcities, denying peaceful folk the natural inheritance of earth’s abundance and God’s endowment.

    *They have glorified material values and degraded the spiritual.

    *They have claimed private, personal ownership of God’s land, driving by force of arms the gentle from passage on the earth.

    *In their greed they have erected artificial immigration and customs barriers, preventing the free movement of people.

    *In their lust for control they have set up systems of compulsory education to coerce the minds of the children and to destroy the wisdom and innocence of the playful young.

    *In their lust for power they have controlled all means of communication to prevent the free flow of ideas and to block loving exchanges among the gentle.

    *In their fear they have instituted great armies of secret police to spy upon the privacy of the pacific.

    *In their anger they have coerced the peaceful young against their will to join their armies and to wage murderous wars against the young and gentle of other countries.

    *In their greed they have made the manufacture and selling of weapons the basis of their economies.

    *For profit they have polluted the air, the rivers, the seas.

    *In their impotence they have glorified murder, violence, and unnatural sex in their mass media.

    *In their aging greed they have set up an economic system which favors age over youth.

    *They have in every way attempted to impose a robot uniformity and to crush variety, individuality, and independence of thought.

    *In their greed, they have instituted political systems which perpetuate rule by the aging and force youth to choose between plastic conformity or despairing alienation.

    *They have invaded privacy by illegal search, unwarranted arrest, and contemptuous harassment.

    *They have enlisted an army of informers.

    In their greed they sponsor the consumption of deadly tars and sugars and employ cruel and unusual punishment of the possession of life-giving alkaloids and acids.

    *They never admit a mistake. They unceasingly trumpet the virtue of greed and war. In their advertising and in their manipulation of information they make a fetish out of blatant falsity and pious self-enhancement. Their obvious errors only stimulate them to greater error and noisier self-approval.

    *They are bores.

    *They hate beauty.

    *They hate sex.

    *They hate life.

    We have warned them from time to time to their inequities and blindness. We have addressed every available appeal to their withered sense of righteousness. We have tried to make them laugh. We have prophesied in detail the terror they are perpetuating. But they have been deaf to the weeping of the poor, the anguish of the colored, the rocking mockery of the young, the warnings of their poets. Worshipping only force and money, they listen only to force and money. But we shall no longer talk in these grim tongues.

    We must therefore acquiesce to genetic necessity, detach ourselves from their uncaring madness and hold them henceforth as we hold the rest of God’s creatures – in harmony, life brothers, in their excess, menaces to life.

    We, therefore, God-loving, peace-loving, life-loving, fun-loving men and women, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the Universe for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name and by the Authority of all sentient beings who seek gently to evolve on this planet, solemnly publish and declare that we are free and independent, and that we are absolved from all Allegiance to the United States Government and all governments controlled by the menopausal, and that grouping ourselves into tribes of like-minded fellows, we claim full power to live and move on the land, obtain sustenance with our own hands and minds in the style which seems sacred and holy to us, and to do all Acts and Things which independent Freemen and Freewomen may of right do without infringing on the same rights of other species and groups to do their own thing.

    And for the support of this Declaration of Evolution with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, and serenely confident of the approval of generations to come, in whose name we speak, do we now mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor.

  • kimMN


    I don’t have a link to the video of Obama on video marching with Shabaz and the New Black Panther Party, but if I say it enough times it might come true….


  • kimMN


    I wonder how many people believe me… I said “Well, the transparency never happened, recall Pelosi’s stupid comment, ” We got to pass the Heath reform Bill to see what is in it.” The bill was cobbled behind closed doors without any republican involvement. ” but even fox news acknowledges that the dems (I mean DFL) posted the health care reform bill online before they voted on it…


  • kimMN

    derp .. herp… derp a herp…

  • Steve the Cynic

    As I said when you posted that “Declaration of Evolution” on yesterday’s page, TimMn, that was a hilarious bit of parody. It’s a bit stale the second time, though.

  • TimMn

    Try it a few dozen more times then, Steve the Cynic.

  • Steve the Cynic

    It’s ideological bullshit, every bit as much as the right wing’s idolatry of the Invisible Hand.

  • John O.

    Nobody is out there yet.

  • George Carlin

    “I don’t vote. Two reasons. First of all it’s meaningless; this country was bought and sold a long time ago. The shit they shovel around every 4 years *pfff* doesn’t mean a fucking thing. Secondly, I believe if you vote, you have no right to complain. People like to twist that around – they say, ‘If you don’t vote, you have no right to complain’, but where’s the logic in that? If you vote and you elect dishonest, incompetent people into office who screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You caused the problem; you voted them in; you have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote, who in fact did not even leave the house on election day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every right to complain about the mess you created that I had nothing to do with.”

  • Occupy Together