What do you think of the state budget deal?

Negotiators are working out the details of an agreement to end the state government shutdown. The deal balances the budget with accounting shifts and borrowing, but no tax increases. Today’s Question: What do you think of the state budget deal?

  • tom flater

    I will vote against any candidate with a I in front of name next election.That means any incumbent. also i will with hold all donations to politcal parties.

  • Zeke

    It’s nothing more than “Emmer Lite”

    Fiscal malfeasance at it’s worst…

  • ray Gorski

    Not much! It only delays our day of reckoning by

    two years. It is all gimmackry and shadows.

    Furthermore it will really hurt the poor and the middle class. The only good thing is that people

    will realize that the republicans talk a good game

    but are not serious about Minnesota’s future.

  • David

    Time for a REAL third party movement in MN … and across the nation!

  • Al

    This isn’t a solution. It’s malpractice. But hey, bring on the jobs! Not that the millionaires get to keep their piles of cash we should be flush new jobs any day now. At least that’s what they’ve been telling us.

  • Kay

    I thought “split government” could work. The ability to find a reasonable compromise does not exist anymore, either locally or nationally.

    The Republicans got everything they wanted and the Democratic point of view is not even represented in the final deal.

    Only one side, Governor Dayton, reached out time and again to try and find a compromise. Time to vote a straight party ticket for the Democrats in 2012. I wish the election could be tomorrow.

  • I’ll be paying 22.1% tax as a poor Minnesotan when i run as a New Progressive in the next election.

    Unlike the current legislators, I wouldn’t take a salary while a State shutdown occurred.

    I will organize the citizens to speak UP! and let their opinions be heard and NOT turn on voicemail the livelong day.

    I will point fingers at the American Legislative Exchange Council for causing human misery and trauma – and taking orders from the Koch brothers and right wing loonies. Look @Mary Kiffmeyer, Amy Koch, Zellers, Michel and ask yourself .. what PAC money did THEY take?

    I won’t be pocketing graft, bag money and selling off the resources of the state surrepticiously.

    I won’t be hiding behind a party caucus when I know what is going on instead of doing the right thing for the people of Mn.


    The budget is and was a symptom of the graft and corruption going on.


  • CF

    Voting out the incumbents: Didn’t we do that already? Seems to me the last election was all about “vote the bums out!!” We did. At least that was the case in my district. But what did we get? More partisan gridlock only the polarity has changed. Shame on Minnesota for wanting divided government. It’s oft commented that Minnesotans prefer a divided government to create a balance. Well we got that right, 50/50 right down the middle and here we set stagnant.

    It’s clear by this so called “budget deal” that we Minnesotans have abdicated our capability to self govern. The cover of TIME Magazine featuring Wendel Anderson proclaiming the “State That Works…. no longer does. At least in Wisconsin, in spite of the bleeding heart liberals bellyaching over collective bargaining, (particularly the public schrool teachers), there was a majority vote in the State House as well as the Executive branch. If only we could be so privileged! As if we haven’t learned the lessons of recent history with split governance.

    Believe me, even though I’m a conservative, I don’t agree with the GOP carnival shell game of money borrowing shuffling and shifting. It by no means is a resolution. The only thing it does is give the GOP a feather in it’s cap for punching Govy. Dayton in the nose over his “tax the rich” policy. It all sounds like they were never elected to office, rather they are still in a perpetual state of campaigning.

  • Leo

    1. Since when is borrowing money to pay off debt a ‘solution’?

    2. Next biennium when the time comes again to pass another budget we’ll be at the same spot, with the same problem. Save up for the next shutdown state employees, this is your two-year warning.

    3. At the end both parties ended up screwing Minnesotans, DFL got more money to spend, GOP got their no-tax-increase.

    4. GOP kept saying it wasn’t about raising taxes, that it was about too much spending, how does this agreement reflect that?

    5. Minnesota learn the lesson, don’t vote people in based on ideology. Vote people in based on qualifications to do the job. Obviously the current group of elected officials are unable to do so.

  • Sharon LeMay

    I’m disgusted by this settlement. I’ve been out of work for two weeks now and I hoped it was a sacrifice for something–a sacrifice for the greater good. Instead, I’ve lost my wages for nothing.

    This was an ideal time for workers to finally stand up and be counted and refuse to be treated like sewage by the GOP. A time for workers to stand side by side with the most vulnerable in society to better all of our lots. Instead…our fight has been cut short.

    Details are still sketchy on what these new bills will say and do…but the lack of increased revenue, and the addition of more debt, does not bode well for the future as far as the increased funding needed to meet the increased needs of Minnesotans.

    I feel betrayed, let down, and disgusted. Although I guess it’s not over yet–the legislature still has to vote…

  • Scott

    A vote in 2012 for the Republicans is a vote for another shutdown in July 2013. The basic structural problems still exist in our budget.

    If Minnesotans want a different result, then they will need to change the legislature which is up for re-election in 2012. Otherwise, 2013 will just be deja vu, all over again.

  • Donna

    Somebody had to be the grown up, the GOP will just have to eat their peas. Dayton put’em in a box, and tied the bow with there own plan. 2012 when they are out, all will change.

  • Gary

    This deal is fraud, all the way around, GOP and DFL. Dayton and DFL have a lot of explaining to do for why voters should continue support for a sell-out, cave-in party of weak tinklers! “If you won’t fight – why should we?!”

  • Joanna

    Sharon, it stinks that you and so many of us have lost income or suffered hardship these last two weeks.My consolation now is that Dayton held off the Republican proposal to cut 15% of all state employees as well as other last minute non-budget items they tried to add on the last day.

    Power struggle is ugly, but now we have to organize for the next round.

  • Howard

    Why not do a flat tax on all incomes from the so called poor who use the majority of the services to the so called rich who hide the majority of theirs. No deductions, everyone from the bottom to the top pays the same percent. Then I bet this whole tax vs. Spending crud would finally be resolved. This solution is not much of one

  • Duane

    I am not very happy with our 43% governor. This is a compromise that was available on June 30th and he felt that his 43% mandate was reason to put the state through this shut down. A wise businessmen, in the event of a slowdown, will attempt to reduce expense and keep the business profitable and viable thereby providing jobs and continuity for his employees. This is a concept the Governor failed to accept in this current economic slowdown. We need financial responsibility in our government, Governor Dayton did not provide it.

  • Tonja Rolfson

    Republic Majority Solution: PAY YOU LATER, KIDS! Doesn’t this sound familiar? How is this fiscally responsible or planning for the future of our state?

  • Steve the Cynic

    This so-called compromise is truly remarkable. It’s actually worse than either side’s initial proposal– something I would not have thought possible. It solves nothing and gives Minnesota an even bigger problem to deal with in 2013.

  • Chuck

    This is such a disappointment! Accounting trickery does not solve the State’s systemic budget problems. All of the “so-called” revenue is borrowed money. I have no doubt that some of it – school funds – will be eventually stolen.

    School kids in this state have taken yet another big hit.

    The tobacco bond money is highly discounted costing the State 30% or more in future pay outs.

  • uptownZombie

    It’s not a surprise, but it is a disappointment. The Democrats gave ground until we had no more to give and then the Republicans finally said “well I guess that’s good enough”.

    It’s a sad day for both parties, and I’ll do what I can to make sure Zellers and Koch are not re-elected.

    Recall election anyone?

  • Unfortunately Minnesotan

    Please do the state a favor and job cut a Republican legislator.

  • Lou

    Since the rise of the Tea Party in 2009, republican politicians have been fearful of compromising due to the repercussions suffered by other republican elected officials that did compromise. And since getting reelected is the top priority for most politicians, it was obvious that they would have allowed the shutdown to last indefinitely before they would have agreed to any type of tax increase. The governor had no choice but to cave in on the tax increase plan if he wants to accomplish anything in his first year as governor. Perhaps President Obama’s coattails will be long enough to lead to the defeat of some of these ideologus in the 2012 election but constituents tend to have short memories so we may be in for more of the same in 2013.

  • Mary

    What a joke. It does nothing to solve the actual budget problem and hurts minnesotans. It seems like the only things this budget does is allow liberal and conservative Minnesotas to agree that this is not the way to move Minnesota forward.

  • GaryF


    We cannot ever tell the beast no. Government continues to grow. Government continues to be unsustainable.

    We have a spending problem. It’s never enough.

  • Dianne

    I don’t see that it solved the budget problem.

  • Philip

    I think that picture you folks have on the home page says it all, “everyone’s all sad and droopy.”

  • Annie

    I respect that Gov Dayton was in a tight spot, but I am shocked that after 2 weeks we’ve done nothing to solve the budget issues. We passed them down the road, and we did it on the backs of our students.

  • Larry M.

    Paying late to the school districts is an immoral way to “balance” the budget. School districts now have to take out loans and PAY INTEREST because the state decided to pay late. That interest paid is tax payer’s money NOT going to education, but to banks. The republican plan, which Dayton caved to flushes tax payers’ money down the toilet, not very fiscally responsible!

    In Minnesota we enjoy a high standard living and some of our cities are recognized for livability, to keep that kind of reputation we are going to need to pay for it including the 7000 millionaires that republicans fought so vehemently for instead of doing the best for the people of Minnesota.

  • John

    Our representatives don’t represent.

    They are passing the problem to the future.

    Even at the Federal level, no representation.

    The majority of people don’t want more credit, they want responsibility. There is so much waste at both State and Federal levels.

  • Amy

    This is the GOP proposal and it consists of :

    Borrowing from the schools (again)

    Borrowing from the tobacco fund (again)

    Shifting and delaying payments to the out yrs

    And this is being sold as kitchen table economics?

    Excel Energy will not allow me defer my bills

    Wells Fargo will not allow me to roll my mortgage

    Sprint will not allow me to roll my data services bill

    And the GOP honestly says that we we need to live with in our means. What they should be saying is let’s borrow and roll the deficit. Good luck in two yrs.

  • Sherry Gray

    What budget solution? Both political parties have failed on this; we need clear thinking, good leadership in tough times, not posturing for sound bites and the next election.

  • Zeke


    It’s “waste fraud, and abuse” and don’t forget the 1% of the Fed budget that is Foreign Aid.

  • Bill Anstedt

    100% Fail on all accounts. See you in 2 more years.

  • Eric Winter

    How is it even legal to create a ‘balanced budget’ by taking out loans? I hope there is a constitutional challenge somewhere.

  • linda

    The only way to end this mess will come in 2012. We must work very hard to remove as many republicans from the legistlature as we can. I think it is terrible to use the public schools to fund government and then rant and rave that the teachers aren’t doing their job and are overpaid. Until then, we just have to bite the bullet and hope all those jobs the republicans promised appear very quickly to ease the financial burden.

  • Eiolgj

    Interesting that the comments don’t seem to reflect a right or left slant, but a complete thumbs down slant. I wonder how the voters’ memory will hold out till the next election.

  • Jim G

    This is a disaster. It’s a bad plan only a Republican can propose. It kicks all the cans down the road solving nothing. It borrows money from our kids education fund, with no commitment for replayment. It doesn’t fix the state’s structural financial problem with no stable revenue stream. Most importantly the rich still don’t pay the same percentage in taxes as the middle class. This is what happens when good people don’t participate and vote: our government gets captured by a fanatical fringe, actual enemies of government and they start to kill it.

  • Jeff

    It’s funny that everyone is angry about the accounting shifts that are in the budget bill. You seem to forget that this bill was supposed to be a last ditch effort to stop a shutdown. Instead of preventing a shutdown Dayton sat on this budget for 2 weeks and then decided he liked this proposal best because he couldn’t live without increasing the state general fund significantly. The sad thing is that everyone wants to blame the GOP but actually Dayton picked this bill after thinking about it for 2 weeks, Dayton has just as much blame as the Republicans. In fact, Dayton should get more blame because he had budget bills that didn’t use accounting shifts but he refused to sign them since he just has this urge to spend, spend, spend!

  • Carolyn

    I think it’s a failure on both sides. It’s just fancy accounting that will postpone the problem.

  • James

    Kick the can down the road for a few more months.

    T-Paw (what big icky bad guy meany republican he was) did THE SAME THING.

    A straight tax, no loop holes and live within our means…. What is so hard about that?


  • Neal

    Like most people I think it’s a bad budget agreement.

    However, I think Gov. Dayton realized that the Republicans just were not going to work with him. He was left with two options, agree to a bad budget now or agree to a bad budget after several more weeks of shutdown.

    I think he made the right decision.

  • GaryF




  • rose

    It’s a lose-lose outcome and the biggest losers are the residents of Minnesota.

    Exert big L Leadership and fix the problem, whatever it would take. Find viable ways to increase revenue opportunities (taxes but not just taxes – revamp the revenue generating sytems), decrease spending (consider why only 22,000 employees were affected to manage the entire state operations; bring back people slowly and incorporate change).

    The residents were prepared for a long shutdown, an opportunity was missed to create lasting beneficial change.

    Correct long term ills, starting with the re-districting issues which create the impass in the state level. Get back to basics and add common sense, not lobbying influences.

    Don’t settle – run the state with purpose and leadership not by polls. Be ready to discuss, listen and lead.

  • sharon

    One more- kick the can down the road until the next budget cycle. Yet- another example of dysfunctional governing. Former Gov Carlson was right yesterday when he said it will be worse in 2 years. Yet- I don’t know that Gov Dayton had a choice with the Republicans who were not going to compromise.

    Sen Koch and Rep Zeller: Now that the “job creators” do not have increased taxes, let’s have some accountability on the Rep side to report all the new jobs that are created.

    And. God forbid- if the legislators include the Vikings stadium during the special session!!!!

  • David

    This has been the final straw. The number of reasons to leave the state out number the reasons to stay. The powers that be won’t be happy until the economy, schools, infrastructure, etc make Mississippi look good. The teabaggers are so afraid of driving business away if they raise taxes, but this ridiculousness will drive away everyone else.

  • Jen

    Why not “borrow” from the tax payers by raising taxes. Pay it back when we balance the budget. I think we might elect folks more eager to cut spending prudently – when we stop playing games. Or… we might even be happy with our investment in our state. You get what pay for.

  • Christopher

    Only the reintroduction of Cannabis sativa (in every form and use from Hemp to Marijuana) will bring the State and Country permanently out of debt and on a course of ever increasing prosperity.

    It’s y(our) opportunity to wake up and take responsibility for the unprecedented present and an incredible future with forgiveness, understanding and appreciation to the past.

  • David

    I may live in North Dakaota but I know a bad deal when I hear it. The more I hear about this deal the more outraged I get. Thankyou Keri Miller for your guest Sennitor Tom Bock. I hope some day Minnesota realizes that it needs to invest in eductaion, infrastructier, and healcare.

  • Jamie

    // “A wise businessmen [sic], in the event of a slowdown, will attempt to reduce expense [sic] and keep the business profitable and viable thereby providing jobs and continuity for his employees. This is a concept the Governor failed to accept in this current economic slowdown. We need financial responsibility in our government, Governor Dayton did not provide it.” //

    First, Duane, Gov. Dayton did not have a choice in accepting the REPUBLICAN proposal in order to end the shutdown. If you want to point to financial irresponsibility, point at the Republican legislators. They came up with this terrible plan in order to protect their millionaire and billionaire friends.

    Second, the State HAS been attempting to reduce expenses for at least the last 20 years. There are many efficiency programs going on in many departments, there have been many layoffs and staff reductions by attrition. Many departments are short-staffed. But the thing is, the State is not a business. The state can’t just decide not to take care of half of all the elderly people any more, or 30% of all the disabled children, or let 60% of people who need health care suffer or even die. All these needs are growing too, along with inflation. A business can decide not to make any widgets for a specified time in order to ride out a recession; a state can’t do the equivalent.

    WE are the State. We have a responsibility to care for one another, to educate our children, to make sure our food supply is safe, etc. And it is in our best interest to do the other things the State does: infrastructure maintenance, quality-of-life stuff, protection and wise use of natural resources, etc. These things cost money, and when the population grows and needs grow and inflation occurs, the State can’t just say they’re going to stick to last biennium’s budget.

  • I’m not sure I understand. I thought the problem was that Minnesota cannot operate without a balanced budget; that we cannot, by law, operate under a deficit. So isn’t it still a deficit when we borrow from the schools?

  • Connie

    It makes me sick to listen to the obviously liberal leaning rhetoric – balanced? no way. Unions, Democrats, the typical guests on MPR.

    Some of us think this budget proposal was a bad deal because we didn’t cut spending enough. There is a “program” for everyone from birth to death. These are unsustainable. Each program should justify it’s existence and come to the table with cuts and curb the waste. Only then will we have true reform.

  • Marlene

    Assuming that a “lights on” bill can be passed, I strongly recommend that the budget proposal itself be voted down by both chambers of the legislature and earnest, good faith negotiations start from scratch to create a budget that is good for ALL of Minnesota. If it takes the rest of the summer, into the fall, so be it.

    The current budget recommendation is unacceptable. Among other things, it borrows today with no promise (or plan) to pay tomorrow and It substantially increases the debt burden over time. This is short sighted and not in the best interest of our state.

    Rather than accept such impacts, the legislators need to step it up, reject this proposal, set aside partisan posturing and absolutist agendas to work TOGETHER to create a sustainable solution; one that allows us to balance the budget, without mortgaging the future.

  • david

    @ Jamie

    That’s only true if we lived in a civilized state, but after hearing the rhetoric and all the misguided views, in the media and on this very board, we are far from civilized. Sad thing is it seems to be just a foreshadow of things to come. Lies, rhetoric, and this “me first” attitude is pushing society backwards, not forward. Stealing from our children while not providing the same chance we had, reneging on the promises made to senors, preferring to through people in jail instead of doing something to keep that from happening in the first place is not civilized. I’m sorry being civilized costs so much money in the short term. But at least the bankers will continue to get richer. Borrow today and pay with interest later. As long as the books look good for the next quarter who cares about the future.

  • P. Nielsen

    Only a temporary fix. Governor Dayton caved in to the republican’s morally bankrupt budget proposal, one that shows how selfish and mean-spirited most of them are, having no conscience whatsoever. All but the well off will suffer as a result of this agreement in the long run. Instead of being so supportive of individual “rights”, it’s time for elected officials of all stripes to direct their attention to what is best for the common good, not individuals and corporations. Frankly, where are all the jobs these wealthy individuals were supposed to create as a result of the constant tax cuts they’ve managed to get at the expense of working people and the poor? I don’t see many other than minimum wage, no benefit ones coming from them, while they offshore more and more, and the voters again and again vote them back into office. How dumb is that? And, unfortunately, the democrats have absolutely no backbone or will to stand up and do battle with them. Makes me sick. Minnesota is not the great place to live any more……to whom much is given, much is required, and these legislators and their individual and corporate supporters sure haven’t shown much in the way of giving to ease the burden on the majority for many, many years.

  • David

    @ P. Nielsen

    Morally bankrupt? But the GOPs crammed that first proposal full of abortion and stem cell legislation! They are SOOOOOOO moral, Jesus says so. Tho I’m still trying to figure out where the bible mentions stem cells…..

  • Carrie

    Obviously it doesn’t really fix the problem. We’re just kicking the can down the road again. If Minnesotans hadn’t put the Republicans in control of the legislature, we would have gotten a fairer, more balanced deal. Deep cuts, yes, but also more revenue from the richest so that ALL Minnesotans could share the burden of fixing this problem long term. As it is now, they will be facing this problem again. We can only hope that Minnesotans are smart enough to put the Democrats back in control of the legislature next year so that Gov. Dayton has some level headed people to work with to solve this problem.

  • Jessa

    It frustrates me that we keep having on-going problems with Republicans and Democrats agreeing. The problem isn’t that they differ in their idea, the problem is we have no money. Why can’t they just put aside their differences and do something for the people, instead of themselves?

  • Lawrence

    Clearly the Republican plan, as has been stated before, delays the inevitable and increases our debt load. But, the Republicans seem incapable of understanding that we need cuts and taxes to get out of this problem. Until we vote them out of office or they gain common sense, we’re simply going to remain in a fixed state of poor fiscal management.

  • Duane

    “The State has been attempting to reduce expenses for the last 20 years” Posted by Jamie. I don’t believe so, according to State records, the budget has increase 183% since 1990 while inflation has increase 66%. Most of time the DFL has been in control of the Legislature. To me that is a failure to be financial responsible.

  • Tom

    I hope Democratic law makers vote this budget down. If Republicans approve this deal, it goes to show that they what they really are concerned about are their wealthy benefactors and Grover Norquist, not the citizens of Minnesota. Mortgaging are children’s future this way is no way to run our once great State.

  • kennedy

    Absolute failure.

    It contains just enough political cover for each side to tout during the next election, but very little real progress toward making the state budget solvent. In fact, borrowing against future income is backwards progress.

  • Kate Alfred

    I am completely disgusted that the Republicans think that delaying payments to education and schooling is a better option than having those that earn more than $1 million+/year be taxed a bit more to make up the short fall. It’s incredible how they talk about their morales and principles. How can this be a better alternative when we are robbing our children of a strong and healthy educational experience???? I am disgusted.

    What really amazes me is that the people that are hurt by this, middle class ordinary workers like myself, are the ones who will mainly shoulder this burden, while those that make $1 mil+ will have their tax loopholes and ways to get out of paying their due anyway. Then the middle class people vote for the Republicans b/c of issues such as abortion/gay rights, that do not direct affect their actual lives. I cannot understand.

    If I had the money, I would donate it. I believe in taxes when used in the appropriate manner. I believe taxes to fund our childrens education is the RIGHT way to use money, and to delay payments to our schools is just appalling.

  • Brian D

    I feel for the people of Minnesota–and in particular, for our children, always a target for the Republican Party. I also sympathize with Mark Dayton. He was at a disadvantage from the beginning of this budget battle, because he really represents and works for all of the people of Minnesota–not just the wealthy.

    Obviously the budget agreement solves nothing; it just kicks the can down the road. In 2012 we will be at a crossroads. Either the people of Minnesota vote enough Republicans out of office so that we can solve our budget problems in a way that’s fair to everyone, or the Republicans remain in power, continue to represent the interests of the most greedy of the wealthiest members of our society, and the state continues its decline toward an oligarchy, with just a facade of democracy.

  • Phi Schalet

    Done by stealing from children — again!

  • Neil C.

    I just finished reading the 62 comments preceeding my own response and it’s a little depressing.

    Negotiations started a few months ago with a proposed budget that had something like 15% growth in it and a $5 billion funding gap.

    Apparently our elected officials reduced the growth rate to about 5% and closed the funding gap to about $1.4 billion before resorting to accounting tricks to finish up and get the state back to work.

    A perfect deal? Hardly.

    About what you might expect when one side is addicted to spending and one side is addicted to cutting? Probably.

    A disaster? Definitely not.

    Will we have the opportunity to be more thoughtful about our priorities and have more options to make Minnesota great again in 2 years? Probably.

    LIghten up folks. This is how differences of opinion get resolved. And I’m not sure any of us would have done any better than our elected officials.

  • Scott

    Quit kicking the can down the road and make some cuts. I’m disapointed the GOP proposed the idea in the first place. I don’t want more taxes or shifting of money. Make the cuts needed!

  • Nettie

    What Solution? . . .it is more of the same old same old. . . Only the citizen’s loose and for what? See in in two years at the same old stand.

  • uptownZombie
  • Scott

    This better not push the tough decisions 2 years from now. Deal with the problem.

  • Sue MacMillan

    Everyone loses, especially the citizens of Minnesota. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer, education suffers, debt is deferred, and the wealthy Republicans are determined to eliminate the middle class. How much is enough for them? Conservativism Without A Conscience is destroying this state and this country. Shame on all of you.

  • Ruth

    I KNEW Dayton would crack. Democrats compromise themselves right out of office. One thing I have to give to the GOP, they stick together and they stick to their guns. I’d be surprised if we could get all the Democrats to agree on a shoe tying policy.

  • Kay

    I don’t know how anyone can say they are fiscally conservative & responsible when their solution was borrowing money to pay current bills. It may look like the Republicans “won,” but they should be held totally accountable for digging their heels into a completely irresponsible result.

  • Beth Blanks

    If the Republicans can only think of their own pocket books and not raise taxes on the wealthier people in Minnesota, then one day it will only be the wealthy who can afford to send their children to school. Taking money from Education is wrong. Minnesota used to be proud of our status in educating our citicens.

  • Katie

    Haven’t the last few years shown us that borrowing money is not a solution?

    I’m terribly disappointed by this; and frankly, I am disgusted with the GOP’s complete unwillingness to deal with the facts: we have an increasing population, and whether we like it or not, as a society we are responsible for some aspect of their well-being, because it does indeed affect us all. This means health care, education, and basic needs.

  • Jeff L. Blanks

    Shutdown and Killing the Poor

    Posted on July 12, 2011 by thewallradio

    10 days and counting and GOP and Governor are still not talking. The biggest problem is that in their “Not A Penny More” stance GOP has sentenced the lower class on Minnesota to a slow loss of life the they as the ruling class will not feel near as intensely.

    People of the NEW generation seem to think that its a power struggle that they need not care about. The few that do care are content to sit in bars and parks and hash out ideas with friends but not the reps that need to hear the ideas. It surprised e how many are just disconnected from how bad this truly is for the state as a whole.

    As is the norm there is always a catch in a shutdown such as this and the few still getting paid (139 State Mover shakers to be exact) don’t feel the need to give in either way because they have no real stake in the shutdown. They ain’t scabs but might as well be.

    This time of year is usually great for the state of Minnesota with the tourism, fishing and summer activities galore (That’s the middle class and up BTW) and at summers end the is the State Fair to say goodbye to summer (Lots of tourism income there) and back to school and etc.

    Let’s take a look at the “No Cabin” class of Minnesota. Most won’t see a vacation this year as usual because they lack the income or savings to take the time off work (thats what weekends are for) and the general hope is that come august the “Rent Rebate will allow them enough to get school supplies and take the kids to the fair for a few rides and footlongs (YUM!). This year it’s most likely to be a stay your ass home year for the underclass of Minnesota. Before you start crowing the great “Boot Strap” mentality keep something in mind.the rebate is not like welfare it’s the balance point from taxes paid for property and the renters contrition to the tax base. So if u think that it’s just minorities that get the rebate better think again.

    Before we go 15 rounds over that let’s get back to my point, if there is no rebate how hard will retailers be hit? How many cutbacks will be necessary? If demand is down how for ahead does it affect the retail industry as a whole? When you think a bit deeper than color and class it takes on a different hue in the “Big Picture” doesn’t it?

  • Jamie

    // “…the budget has increase [sic] 183% since 1990 while inflation has increase [sic] 66%…” //

    Duane, I don’t know about your numbers, but inflation isn’t the only element we have to make up for when budgets are raised. The needs of the growing numbers of Minnesota citizens, especially with regard to health care, aging, and disability, drive costs way up really fast.

    // “the state continues its decline toward an oligarchy, with just a facade of democracy.” //

    You are so right, Brian D. And this applies to the nation, too. That’s what the people who fund Grover Norquist want. People didn’t want to believe her back in the ‘90s, but Hillary Clinton was absolutely right about the “vast right-wing conspiracy.” They’ve been building on this for decades with a LOT of money from billionaires like the Koch brothers, and with the guidance of creeps like Norquist and Karl Rove. These people are probably happy to hear about this rotten budget deal that will thereaten our state’s well-being. They want to make government vanish except for a few jobs for themselves.

  • Paul

    An unmitigated disaster. It’s hard to imagine a worse possible outcome. The academic ideological debate is, ‘which is better in a recession, raising taxes or firing lots of people’ – neither are great choices, and somehow they managed to find a solution worse then either one. The result of compromise avoidance.

  • Chris

    Dayton tried, but you can’t negotiate with those who won’t. I hope Minnesotan’s will remember in 2012, but sadly, the record on our voters is questionable.

  • katie

    I am so disappointed. This only so near sighted and only harms our children.

    Question- Now that you have sold off the tobacco bonds, what are you going to do to prevent tobacco use?

    This money was fought for very hard, proving that tobacco continues to be the number one killer of americans, yet we do so little to prevent the use and help people quit. So sad.

    We should have raised the tobacco tax, that would have provided years of income, rather than a 1 time fix.

  • John

    This deal is shameful. It means higher property taxes, higher tuition, fewer services for everyone. It will not make up discontinued federal funds that softened the last terrible budget’s effects. This budget will be hardest on the most vulnerable in our state, both young and old. This budget perpetuates the myth that our richest citizens will actually create jobs if they are allowed to pay a lower tax rate than the middle class. The only people this budget is good for are the richest and most powerful people and the legislators that are pushing their agenda rather than representing all of us.

  • Tom

    I agree, “there are just laws and there are unjust laws. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.” – Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

    “The best hemp and the best tobacco grown on the same kind of soil. The former article is of first necessity to the commerce and marine, in other words to the wealth and protection of the country. The latter, never useful and sometimes pernicious, derives its estimation from caprice.”

    -Thomas Jefferson, 3rd U.S. President, Jefferson’s journal entry / March 16, 1791

    Two of my favorite things are sitting on my front porch smoking a pipe of sweet hemp, and playing my Hohner harmonica. – Abraham Lincoln, U.S. President, from a letter written by Lincoln during his presidency to the head of the Hohner Harmonica Company in Germany

    Prohibition… goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man’s appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes… A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded. – Abraham Lincoln

    Make the most of the Indian hemp seed, and sow it everywhere! – George Washington, First U.S. President

    “What was done with the seed saved from the India Hemp

    last summer? It ought, all of it, to have been sewn again;

    that not only a stock of seed sufficient for my own purposes

    might have been raised, but to have disseminated the seed

    to others; as it is more valuable than the common Hemp.”

    – George Washington, First U.S. President

    May 12-13: Sowed Hemp at Muddy hole by Swamp.

    August 7: Began to seperate the Male from the Female at Do – rather too late.

    -Washington’s journal entries

    The illegality of cannabis is outrageous, an impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world. – Carl Sagan

    “the greatest service which can be rendered any country is to add an useful plant to it’s culture; especially a bread grain. next in value to bread, is oil.”

    – Thomas Jefferson Memorandum of Services to My Country, after 2 September 1800

    Some of my finest hours have been spent on the back of my veranda, smoking hemp and observing as far as the eye can see. – Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President

    We shall, by and by, want a world of hemp more for our own consumption. – John Adams, 2nd U.S. President

    “Those who, while they disapprove of the character and measures of a government, yield to it their allegiance and support are undoubtedly its most conscientious supporters, and so frequently the most serious obstacles to reform.”

    Henry David Thoreau

    Why use up the forests which were centuries in the making and the mines which required ages to lay down, if we can get the equivalent of forest and mineral products in the annual growth of the hemp fields?

    – Henry Ford

    It really puzzles me to see marijuana connected with narcotics dope and all of that stuff. It is a thousand times better than whiskey. It is an assistant and a friend. – Louis Armstrong

    “We are confronted primarily with a moral issue. The heart of the question is whether we are going to treat our fellow Americans as we want to be treated.” — John F. Kennedy

    Even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value, marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could. – William F. Buckley, Jr

    “Marijuana never kicks down your door in the middle of the night. Marijuana never locks up sick and dying people, does not suppress medical research, does not peek in bedroom windows. Even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value, marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could.”—William F. Buckley, Jr. (1925-2008)

    ‎The anti-marijuana campaign is a cancerous tissue of lies, undermining law enforcement, aggravating the drug problem, depriving the sick of needed help, and suckering well-intentioned conservatives and countless frightened parents. – William F. Buckley, 1983

    Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself; and where they are, they should be changed. Nowhere is this more clear than in the laws against possession of marihuana in private for personal use… Therefore, I support legislation amending Federal law to eliminate all Federal criminal penalties for the possession of up to one ounce of marihuana. – Jimmy Carter, U.S. President: Message to Congress, August 2, 1977.

    “I think that most small amounts of marijuana have been decriminalized in some places, and should be. We really need a re-examination of our entire policy on imprisonment…Our imprisonment policies are counterproductive.” – Bill Clinton, 42nd U.S. President

    ‎After two years of doctor-and-patient testimony, the D.E.A.s chief administrative law judge, Francis L. Young, ruled that ‘marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substance known to man’. – Nick Jones

    “Herb is the healing of a nation, alcohol is the destruction.” – Bob Marley.

    That is not a drug. It’s a leaf. – Arnold Schwarzenegger, Governor of California

    “When I was a kid I inhaled frequently. That was the point.” – Barack Obama, 44th U.S. President

    The war on drugs has been an utter failure. We need to rethink and decriminalize our nation’s marijuana laws. – Barack Obama, January 21, 2004 debate

    “We can each resolve, every last one of us, to do the maximum that we can, in each of our given circumstances and by making opportunities, and this then becomes our personal contribution towards ending the worldwide prohibition of cannabis.” – Jayelle Farmer

    “I think we consume far more dangerous drugs that are legal: cigarette smoking, nicotine and alcohol. I feel they cause much more devastating effects physically. We need to lift the prohibition on marijuana.” – former Surgeon General of the United States, Joycelyn Elders voicing her support for legalization of marijuana

    ‎”The war may not be quite over but any stigma still left lingering around cannabis consumption today is largely restricted to out of date and increasingly unenforced pieces of legislation. So indelibly stamped on our culture has cannabis become that it must now rank as the most popular and controversial plant on the planet.” – Nick Jones

    “People who make a personal decision to smoke marijuana should not be subject to prosecution.”—U.S. Rep. Barney Frank (D), February 26, 2011

  • CF

    Why did we even bother to have an election? It’s obvious that NOTHING has changed except for the colors of their stripes. I would like to see this ad in the Classifieds.

    Help Wanted: DICTATOR. Position available for immediate hire. Job description: Successful candidate will be responsible for the disbanding of the State Legislature and Governors Office and Supreme Court. Candidate will be required to balance the budget without ANY gimmicks, games or monkey business or new taxes. Candidate will also be required to legalize marijuana and fireworks, allow gambling in all parts of the state coherent to Las Vegas standards, pardon all non-violent drug offenders, allow package stores to choose when to be open on any day of the year, lower cigarette and alcohol taxes.

    Qualifications: NO drug test required!! This is a VETERAN-FRIENDLY job opportunity, veterans encouraged to apply. Attorneys, politicians, union members, government schrool teachers, professors or any other academic, CEO’s or other corporate managers or doctors NEED NOT APPLY.

  • Steve the Cynic

    So, what you’re saying, CF, is that you want a dictator who will do your bidding? Can I have one, too?

  • Mark B

    Stunningly incompetent. Really. This is leadership? I have nothing good to say about anything in this deal at all.One of my old high school teachers is now a representative (R) in the house. He taught social studies and pretty much taught a whole generation of kids how goverment is supposed to work. I thought he had always done a pretty decent job of it until now. It’s too bad that doesn’t actually practice what he preached. Saw a comment in a local paper that he would continue to draw his pay during the shutdown. Shame on you sir. Shame on you for drawing your pay, and delaying payment to future students for political posturing and putting your “career” ahead of future generations. Truthfully shame on you all Republican, Democrat. all of you bring dishonor to elected office. I know some of are thinking that you took a courageous stand. I prefer to think of your inflexibility as the lazy mans way out and at worst the cowards way.

  • At the close of the 2010 electiln, the Rs were in firm control of both chambers but not in veto proof dominance. R partisans chortled that they were in power and they were going to exercise it. As the session wore on I came to realise they didn’t know enough about their agenda to go further than they did. No one else fathoned their beliefs and priniples. The forcing of the Governor to veto the budget bills had a reason. Force a special session for which the Constitution places no mandatory adjornment, only a gentleman’s and gentlewoman’s pledge. So the special can go on for as long for the Tea Party’s and Grover Norquist’s dreams need. The only way to reverse this is to acheive enough Recall successes. And that is hard work.

  • CF

    @Steve The Cynic

    Tell you what. You hire yours, I’ll hire mine and we let them fight it out in a New $1B (borrowed) Vikings Stadium. Where spectators can even gamble on the fight, drink real beer, play slots in the stadium casino, smoke in the stadium bars and shoot off fireworks and get stoned in the parking lot when my side wins.

  • Steve the Cynic

    I have a better idea, CF. You can do all that stuff in the stadium, while I recline in the shade in a secluded glen, sip absinthe, listen to the birds, and read poetry.

  • FH

    The deal is a disappointment. I would have liked to see the budget balanced with cuts. We need to live within our means, and quit raising taxes.

    Govt needs to take a page from business, and learn how to make do with less. In business, we have learned to do more with less, and constantly work to improve processes. If something does not work, we stop doing it. Business also makes hard choices and does not fund everything. In govt, despite an increase that is 3x inflation over the last 20 years, our deficits keep getting bigger. This is not a revenue problem, it is a spending issue.

    In govt, the belief is that to do more, they need more money – a lot more money. Changing the system and how things are done seems off the table. Education is a good example of this. Despite mediocre results, a big slippage in our global competitiveness, etc. we continue to do the same things we have been doing: protect mediocre/poor teachers, overburden the system with too many rules which require too many administrators, add curriculum that does not help students succeed, focus on poor students at the expense of average and gifted students, etc. Let’s provide less funding and force success by cutting the requirements, reducing the number of administrators, forcing out poor teachers and wasteful union rules, etc.

    If govt can not live with this budget, let’s move the services to private enterprise and let them do it with a smaller balanced budget. We would reduce the waste and fraud and get better service. It’s interesting that as China has gotten more capitalistic, they have gotten more competitive – business and being successful is good in China. As we have gotten more socialistic, we have gotten less competitive – business and successful people are vilified in the US. Entitlements over success. Let’s stop trying to fix our overspending problem by taking money out of other people’s pockets. Wealth redistribution will not fix our problems. A more business like approach will.

  • Steve the Cynic

    “It’s interesting that as China has gotten more capitalistic, they have gotten more competitive – business and being successful is good in China. As we have gotten more socialistic, we have gotten less competitive…”

    Except that we haven’t been getting “more socialistic.” I look at our recent history and see something else. The peak of American economic competitiveness in the world was in the 50s and 60s. It’s only now, when conservatives are succeeding in undoing the New Deal, that we’ve been slipping. Mao’s China was a disaster, but so was Hoover’s America. What free-market fundamentalists don’t understand is that economic prosperity is not an end in itself. When people’s lives are consumed with business (busy-ness, really), with anxiety about maximizing profits and minimizing losses, it squeezes out the things that make for true joy: human relationships, art, music, literature, etc. We’ve gotten less competitive as we’ve increasingly bought into the misconception that wealth is the same as well-being. We’ll keep slipping, until we remember what economic prosperity is for.

  • FH

    Steve the Cynic:

    Absolutely we have gotten more socialistic. The reasons we did so well after WWII is not FDR’s huge programs. Look at the unemployment rate pre-WWII. The New Deal did not solve the unemployment problem. WWII, the demands after the war, our ability to meet these demands, the businesses and demand this created, etc. are responsible. Please get your facts correct.

    Govt intervention is at an all time high in all aspects – especially regulations. We fund more and more, our definition of a safety net keeps expanding, we now pay 3 years of unemployment etc. They are also trying to dictate more and more of the economy – remember that Soviet bloc central planning did not work. No Govt can dictate technology as it moves to fast – Obama and company would never have thought of the IPad or the Smartphone.

    I enjoy art, music, literature but I do not think Govt needs to fund it or that I need to pay a tax for it like the recent levy that was passed. Being successful and enjoying the “finer” things as you define them are not mutually exclusive. Having an entitlement mentality, spending beyond our means and being competitive globally in the future are mutually exclusive.

  • Steve the Cynic

    “Absolutely we have gotten more socialistic.”

    What time scale are we talking about, FH? Are you comparing today’s level of socialisticness with Carter’s administration, or Hoover’s, or Bush II, or what? I know for a fact, because I’ve lived it, that America is a lot more laissez faire than it used to be years ago. Do you remember when long distance phone service was a regulated monopoly? I do. Reagan started a trend of deregulation (banks, airlines, etc.) that didn’t stop until 2008 when the excessively deregulated financial system imploded. The New Deal had saved capitalism from itself, because that moderate redistribution of wealth took the wind out of the sails of a growing socialist movement and prevented a full-blown marxist revolution after the disaster of 1929. That disaster started returning after the Glass-Steagall act was repealed in 1999.

    You are absolutely correct that Soviet-style central planning doesn’t work. And yes, China is getting more competetive now that they have embraced capitalism and have become communist in name only. However, citing the experiences of China and the Soviet Union as evidence in favor of laissez faire capitalism involves a logical fallacy. It assumes that if a little bit of something (free markets) is good, more will always be better, and that if too much of something (government involvement) is bad, then decreasing it is always an improvement. But China’s markets are still a lot less free than ours are, and you seemed to be implying that they are already more competitive. The fact is that there is an extreme point on the other side that’s just as bad, and we’ve been generally edging toward it for the past three decades. When Reagan took office, there was clearly too much regulation and too much government. By the end of Clinton’s first term, we had it just about right, but we didn’t know when to stop.

    I’m not necessarily arguing for government funding of the humanities. In fact, I voted against that ammendment, too, probably for the same reasons you did. But oppression comes in lots of forms. Sometimes it’s a dictator (Mao, Satlin, etc.) and sometimes an ideology (communism, etc). Radical laissez faire capitalism is an extreme ideology that rewards the ruthless and punishes those who don’t happen to be good with business (no matter how good they are with other things). When everyone is forced to be concerned at every moment with profits and losses, that’s every bit as oppressive to the human spirit as Soviet central planning is.

    Economic prosperity is not an end in itself. Wealth is not the same as well-being. Dollars are not an accurate measure of happiness.

  • MS

    The Governor did what was needed to bring this uniquely disastrous crisis to a close. He accomplished this without cooperation from the other side. This is what it takes to release the hostages – that is, all of Minnesotans.

  • Henrietta

    “Those who, while they disapprove of the character and measures of a government, yield to it their allegiance and support are undoubtedly its most conscientious supporters, and so frequently the most serious obstacles to reform.”

    Henry David Thoreau

    We shall, by and by, want a world of hemp more for our own consumption. – John Adams, 2nd U.S. President

    Why use up the forests which were centuries in the making and the mines which required ages to lay down, if we can get the equivalent of forest and mineral products in the annual growth of the hemp fields?

    – Henry Ford

  • Joe Danko

    Minnesota legislates a budget every other year. The leadership needs to agree ahead of time to put aside other work and put a budget on the governors desk BEFORE they consider all the fun social legislation. It’s criminal to play around with election year posturing and avoid the sweaty work of keeping the state functioning.

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