What do you think of Dayton’s offer to end the shutdown?

Gov. Mark Dayton says he’s ready to accept the Republicans’ last offer, with conditions, in order to end the state government shutdown. The deal would resolve the budget deficit without raising taxes. Today’s Question: What do you think of Dayton’s offer to end the shutdown?

  • Rich

    Pawlenty 2.0

    More borrowing from the school districts, more shifts and then leveraging the tobacco monies. Whatever happened to addressing the long term structural deficit? A POX on both parties…..

  • Neil C.

    It’s a decent, pragmatic solution to a tough problem. However, we are kicking the problem down the road. We have now just shifted a total of $2.8 billion of school expenses and are pulling foward $700 million of revenue that we will miss in future years. A total of $3.5 billion of accounting tricks, so far!

    I feel sorry for Governor Dayton. He seems to have been “fighting the good fight” essentially on his own, while the legislature has strength in numbers. To steal a phrase from a good article last week, he was negotiating with terrorists, and was likely to cave. He did.

    We are a long ways from out of the woods though. This is still only Round 1 (or 2 or 3) of many.

  • Richard

    It shows that the Gov is taking the high road and putting the welfare of the state ahead of political agendas.

  • Al

    Pass the problem to the school districts and make them deal with it by borrowing the money and paying the interest. Brilliant idea. Why didn’t I think of that? Avoid the problem and make someone else suffer the consequences. Ultimately it will be the kids who suffer when they are forced into larger classes or have after extracurriculars cut in order to pay the interest on the debt. Is this the way we ensure a world class educational system with students ready to compete in global workforce? Do we want the money we spend on education to go to bankers or teachers?

  • Zeke

    Mr. Dayton is essentially accepting an offer he previously rejected. The shutdown is therefore reduced to nothing but political theatre. There is also the issue of the hardship that was perpetrated on the state workers. What a colossal waste of resources and taxpayer money.

  • Steve the Cynic

    It sounds like Dayton has decided to appease the bullies. In the long run, it will only encourage them. Since it worked for them this time, they’ll probably do it again. Unless, that is, the voters wise up in 2012.

  • natalie

    It’s really disappointing! I can’t believe we’ve been through two weeks of this only to step backwards. Dayton was elected by the state as a whole, not a few districts. He should stand strong and hold out for what the people of MN really want in the long term.

  • Daniel

    Supremely disappointing, is my first and only thought. It has been a pattern nationwide in Federal and State governments of the Republican Party being more unified in their attempts to muscle the democrats to get their initiatives passed. I’m tired of Democrats looking weak and fragmented, and always the party that has to be conciliatory, while Republicans give nothing in return. As I always believe though, the politicians do not fall out of the sky. They are a reflection of ourselves, as we are the ones who elected them, and this is a truly sad commentary on us as citizens.

  • Graeme
  • Mary M.

    This was disappointing to hear. I wish governor dayton would have stood firmer for longer. The republicans do not have a “mandate” from the people to act the way they have been acting and should not be rewarded. It hurts schools and does nothing to solve the real problems the state is facing regarding budget problems. I predict shutdown 2013…

  • Liz

    Still upset that the Repubs didn’t negotiate and compromise but understand that Dayton is being pressure to get the state back to work. We elect officials realizing that they’re going to have to give and take. Politics is compromise and the senior politicians like Mondale and Carlson understand that, the freshman legislators clearly don’t. They need to lose the ego, act like rational adults and represent the people. We teach our children to share, compromise and sort out conflict, why can’t we do the same at the most crucial level?

  • Tom

    It doesn’t solve any of the structural problems that the Republicans claim they’re committed to solving, it punishes public schools who are a precious resource and it doesn’t actually count as a compromise–it’s a concession by a Governor desperate to protect vulnerable Minnesotans who are really suffering.

    On MPR this morning the Republicans trumpeted that the Governor needed to acquiesce to their demands b/c the state was losing money (and our bond rating dropped and that also costs us more). But perhaps they could have spent more time during their actual legislative session working on the budget (and jobs!) instead of passing marriage amendments and abortion and union rules that were never going to get past the Governor.

  • I admire Dayton for both standing up for what is right, as well as being mature enough to do the right thing to end this shutdown. This does not surprise me. Nor does that fact that the Republics failed to do their part.

  • ELN

    I’m disappointed. I’d expected Governor Dayton would hold out for proportional taxation. Most Minnesotans pay slightly more than 12% of their income in combined state and local taxes; the top earners pay 9.7%, or about 20% less of there substantially greater income.

    See the most recent MN tax incidence report for more details.

  • Phyllis

    Sorta disappointed, but know he has to try to end the shutdown somehow. We already have schools in our area on 4 day weeks. We don’t need any cutbacks in education–from kindergarten to the Unikversity’s. Needs to hold firm on the policy decisions. Our hope and prayer is that voters are smart enough to vote the uncompromising heartless GOP out in the next legislative elections.

  • The Republicans are holding a gun to the state of Minnesota, and Dayton decided to negotiate with the hostage-takers. As much as I hate to say it, I think that Minnesota has to be a place where the Republicans finally don’t get their way.

  • Craig

    What about Local Government Aid?

  • Jana Peterson

    I am disappointed that there wasn’t more of a compromise but I feel like Dayton was the only grownup in the room. Many of the reasons I wanted to live in Minnesota are being diminished by years of cutbacks. I am middle class and would be willing to pay slightly higher taxes to maintain a quality Minnesota, but I want others in the state to pay the same portion of their income as well.

  • David Jordahl

    I appreciate Governor Dayton trying to make something happen, but I don’t want to see him back down. And, it’s yet to be seen for the Republicans to step up and begin to be responsible public servants. Again, balancing the budget on the backs of the people of lowest incomes and needs, is outrageous. And, to do it in support of the wealthy? How pathetic! Keep going Governor Dayton, I’m standing with you! David, 30 year Twin City resident.

  • Paul Kovacovic

    I hope the Republicans are happy that wealthy people get to pay less of their money in taxes than I do. Withholding 40% of the school budget is a gimmick, and there is no guarantee that school’s will eventually receives these funds.

  • Sue de Nim

    The Repugnicans win this round!

  • We finally expose the machinations of the American Legislative Exchange Council in MN, when Dayton caves to get beer into the state.


  • Craig

    What about local government aid?

  • Anne Nolan

    Schools lose, but workers win under this proposal.

    Governor Dayton puts three conditions on this proposal that are all good for workers:

    1) Republicans drop their policy proposals, which among other things included an attack on collective bargaining rights like the one that has caused so much uncertainty and trauma in Wisconsin;

    2) Republicans drop their demand for across-the-board layoffs of 15% of state workers; and

    3) Republicans pass a bonding bill of at least $500 million, which will put a lot of people back to work.

    When I first heard the news I was dismayed, but after reading these three conditions I realized this proposal is pretty smart. It will prevent layoffs and add new jobs, and that will increase state revenue down the road, growing the pie for the next budget.

    Unfortunately, our schools will pay a terrible price.

    If, that is, the Republicans take this deal. They might not.

  • Warren Neus

    The state has been in financial turmoil since the Ventura tax cuts and will continue to be until the resultant revenue shortfall is addressed. Our downward slide into disfunctional mediocrity continues.

  • uptownZombie

    I think it’s disappointing, and will be spun to make it look like this shutdown never needed to take place.

    I think he should have held out. I’m pretty sure the Republican party would have felt a push when their constituents couldn’t buy Miller anymore, which is sad that that would be their breaking point.

    I guess if we have to live with this proposal I wish he would have also worked into it a tax decrease on the bottom 95% and an increase on the top 5%, so that we’re effectively paying the same rate.

  • Chris

    I am sorry but anytime you borrow money it is a bad idea. Either raise taxes, cut spending, or both. Never borrow money to pay bills!

  • Colleen

    I understand the Republicans desire to have a balanced manageable buget, but I do not think they are stopping to think about the real results of not fairly taxing the wealthy in our state. It is increasing the huge gap between rich and poor which is not good for the state. People making less than 100,000 a year spend more than 90% of their income on consumables. The wealthy by comparison, spend a much lower percentage on consumables, but instead invest. While this kind of spending helps the wealthy persons bottom line it does nothing for the economy unlike the spending of the middle class and poor

  • Eric

    I tell my children that they’ll never get what they want by whining. Minnesota state Republicans have proved me wrong.

  • Statewrkr

    Let’s desire the spirit of peace and compromise to prevail!

  • Paul Brandvik

    I think to delay paying money owed to the schools is the same as stealing from our children. This is totally wrong! Are the Republican leaders so weak-minded that they can not find a legitimate way to pay for our government?

    Instead of taxing the billionaires who wouldn’t feel it, they propose getting money from our school children who would definitely feel it.

    It is a shame.

  • Jeff

    I’m glad that the governor is finally put an end to this government shutdown but I wish he had accepted the same offer 2 weeks ago. Instead he chose to put the state through quite a bit of pain just so he could have more leverage against the legislature. In the end it didn’t work, he now looks very weak in the eyes of the republicans (and many unhappy democrats), although his bargaining position was pretty weak to begin with. At least it’s done now and I can go buy a beer and/or fishing license…..those were the only impacts I could see as an average citizen.

  • James Carlson

    It would have been better to accept the Republican budget as passed. The differences between the two sides would be clear and the consequences of these decisions would be known . Then the next election results would be true mandate. I do not believe this occurred in the last election. Kicking the can down the road will keep happening until the electorate makes a decision.

  • Floyd

    LET FREEDOM RING! This is the first step in bringing down Maxism in the state of Minnesota. For the Republicans, don’t give in on abortion, voter ID and other policy issues. Keep it shut down until the victory you gained at the polls is complete. Don’t give in to this uspurper governonor or his party.

  • Katherine

    I support Governor Dayton. Thanks to Neil C. for the notion that the Givernor is effectively negotiating with terrorists–that sums it up.

    I am convinced that MN elected Dayton because he promised to make the rich pay their fair share, which they are not doing now. If there is any mandate from the last election, it is that–the wealthy should pay their fair share.

    I am sorry to see the schools bear the brunt of Republican cynicism and mean-spiritedness. Have you heard Senator Koch’s tone when she talks about “spending”? It drips with scorn: one would think she were talking about government going on a spree at the mall rather than health care for kids and help for seniors, etc. Why is Koch so contemptuous of such genuine needs of kids and senios?


  • Floyd

    LET FREEDOM RING! We have defeated this Marxist usurper of our government. Let’s never give on on the upcoming social issues like abortion and voter ID. We didn’t go to the polls to give in now. Keep up the fight against these socialist Democrats.

  • tanya

    It is sick and wrong to put the financial burden of our state on schoolchildren when multimillionares are not paying their share in taxes. I voted for Dayton and I am extremely disappointed in him. I am even more disgusted by republicans, however, for acting like children and essentially forcing the governor to choose between a terrible budget or no budget at all.

  • Jim G

    His offer should be accepted by the GOP. But I predict they won’t accept even though it is basically their last offer without the policy language. This puts the state back to work, but pushes down the road the real work to structurally realign state taxes and expenditures. This budget cuts education again, and it really should be viewed as a 2.6 billion cut to K-12 funding. They will never pay back what they have (borrowed). Moral of this sad story: Vote against intransigent leaders who won’t make compromises.

  • uptownZombie


    I wish he had accepted the same offer 2 weeks ago

    It’s not the same offer. Don’t spread that rumor. Their offer included things they knew he would never agree to because they wanted the gov’t to be shutdown, this is the basis of their offer, but with other stipulations.

    I hope they don’t accept it.

  • Eioljg

    Dems: Kicking the can down the road. You are turning into mini-Pawlentys. Are you proud to imitate him?

    Reps: Kicking the can down the road means that you care more about the few rich people in your districts than you do about school kids, teachers, and sick people. Do you really want to continue to follow Pawlenty off of a cliff?

  • Linda

    I Agree with Gov Carlson. The Republican proposal is fiscally irresponsible. Shame on them!

  • Jackie

    It’s a temporary fix.

    Only the reintroduction of Cannabis sativa (from Hemp to Marijuana) will bring the State and Country permanently out of debt and on a course of ever increasing prosperity.

  • Jeff

    uptownZombie – [It’s not the same offer. Don’t spread that rumor. Their offer included things they knew he would never agree to because they wanted the gov’t to be shutdown, this is the basis of their offer, but with other stipulations.

    I hope they don’t accept it.] ***

    There are only 3 minor differences that don’t even change the overall budget numbers (besides a $500 million bond), I’m sure even those things will be negotiated downward a bit. Do you realize how completely pathetic he would look if he just flat out accepted the Republican offer 2 weeks later? He had to change it slightly otherwise it would look like he shutdown the state for no reason at all, plus he can say he fought for something so people that support him (like you for instance) can have something to hold up. But lets be honest here he basically just accepted the Republicans’ proposal from 2 weeks ago.

  • Laura

    Overall, this is not the solution I like most. But this has to end somewhere. I applaud Dayton for taking the first true step to end this stalemate.

    This is a temporary fix. I hope that when they return to session, they work to come up with a permanent solution to MN’s revenue problem. Tax reform has been mentioned many times on MPR recently and that’s a topic that has to be handled during a regular legislative session.

  • Scott

    The Republicans have done John Locke proud. Soon they will be able to eliminate most of the working class and reduce us to third world living standards with Minnesota leading the way. Dayton has weakly given in once again and shown us that he is not a leader. The Republicans will likely hold out for their social aganda before they agree, now.

  • Clark

    I believe he made a wise decision as taxing millionaires will not result in the revenue he expects.

    They tried this in Maryland, failed, New York, failed and California, failed. All three states averaged about 40% of the expected revenues from millionaires.

    Why, because most people with this wealth have mutiple homes and can easily change their residence.

    Perhaps all the free loaders in MN can relocate to Illinois, where they raised taxes in early 2011 but still can’t pay their bills.

    Perhaps obama will end up realizing we also have a spending problem and not a revenue problem, but I doubt he will come around gien he never really held a real job in his entire life.

  • James

    With leaders like we currently have,,, we don’t even need enemies.


  • Jamie

    // “Dems: Kicking the can down the road. You are turning into mini-Pawlentys. Are you proud to imitate him?” //

    Dayton has no choice but to agree to do this, eioljg. He said he disagrees with the plan, but he has to agree to it. The Republican bullies won’t budge, and Dayton is taking the high road in trying to end the hurtful shutdown.

    I am extremely disappointed, but not surprised. Republicans want to protect millionaires and billionaires from paying their fair share of taxes — that is their raison d’être. They don’t care about working- and middle-class people, or about elderly or disabled people, or about the education of our children. They’re all about greed.

  • FH

    How is it that the people who give liquor licenses are nonessential, but the ones who make you pull your product off the market are not. The ones who issue fishing licenses are nonessential, but the ones who can cite you are not. Why shut down Canterbury when it is generating revenue to help with our budget issues.

    It seems that the emphasis is on enforcement and not service, on penalizing not gathering revenue. If I didn’t know better, I would say that there was premeditated thought in making this shutdown as painful as possible. If it wasn’t painful, we might question why we are paying so much in taxes and still have such a large deficit.

    By the way, how did the governor’s chef and maid become essential employees.

  • John

    I applaud Governor Dayton, both for the spirit of his convictions and for recognizing the intractability of the Republican caucus. It is easy to sit back and second guess and blab endlessly. The fact is that this government shutdown is having and will continue to have negative economic ramifications that we have just started to calculate. Just when professional services firms were finally poised to start crawling slowly back to profitibility, the shutdown sent another taser shock to their weakened systems. We have already lost viable businesses AND JOBS due to this debacle. It needed to stop! Thank you Governor Dayton for the courage and the wisdom to play the hand you were dealt and making a statesman like decision. Your action saved my business.

  • CF

    Still waiting with baited breath for the GOP to respond. I hope they do take Govy Dayton’s offer and get this over with. What’s really critical is if the shutdown continues, I might not be able to buy beer! That would be a statewide emergency! It would be a catastrophe, devastating! There would be rioting and looting in the streets to fight over the last cases of beer left in the state!

    I support the GOP budget but I am concerned with more Pawlentyish can-kicking with the borrowing of “future” cigarette and schrool money. Like I’ve said many times, expect more of the same. And by golly we’re getting just that.

    I also hope the GOP will give on the “social policy” add-ons they put in. Granted, I believe abortion, (the killing of pre-born humans), stem-cell research, (Red China-style body harvesting), gay “marriage”, etc should be outlawed, but these issues have no place in a budget bill.

  • Jamie

    // “Dayton has weakly given in once again and shown us that he is not a leader.” //

    On the contrary, Dayton has once again shown that he is a good leader. A good leader does what is best for the state, the organization, the group, even if it means agreeing to parts of a proposal that are not good in many ways. He’s being realistic; he knows the Bullies will not do any more compromising. He has to choose between standing his ground while doing more harm to the state with a shutdown, and accepting parts of a proposal he doesn’t like.

  • Why is it taking so long for the Republicans to accept. Their need to have everything their way will end up being the demise of their party in the next election.

  • Mary Pieh

    And so it goes – the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer. I am so ashamed of Minnesota.

  • Nathan Roberts

    AS A MINISTER, a inner city public school teacher, and having grown up in Wayzata around many millionaires I feel saddened that many kind, hard working people from all parts of the political spectrum are willing to cut services their own neighbors and children so a few millionaires can keep their money. Growing up I never met a millionaire who didn’t have a VERY large savings account for a rainy day.

  • Jamie

    // “By the way, how did the governor’s chef and maid become essential employees.” //

    The chef, Micah Pace, is being paid by the governor out of his own pocket for the duration of the shutdown. And that was the case from the beginning of the shutdown July 1, before Republicans made a big deal of it (Dayton is not drawing his state salary during the shutdown.)

    And housekeeper Michelle Mersereau was kept on the payroll because the mansion, on St. Paul’s historic Summit Avenue, is 100 years old and needs constant care.

    They are not the GOVERNOR’S chef and “maid.” They are the chef and housekeeper for the governor’s residence.

  • EAL

    Weeks ago, the Governor turned down a similar proposal. As the states chief execuitive, the Governor abdicated his responsibility by offering mediation. The Governor allowed the state to shut down. Now the Governor accepts a deal made previously which would have prevented the shut down. In no way, shape or form could anyone characterize these actions being of someone demonstrating effective leadership! If anyone believes so, please take a moment to enlighten me.

  • Dave

    Republican financial responsibility is a joke. Their proposal, that Dayton is agreeing to, is like borrowing from your 401(k) and your kids college fund to pay this month’s mortgage.

    I thought I was voting for a Democrat with guts. Make the difficult cuts and raise some taxes.

  • Jim

    Bad Deal ! Divert, shift, borrow ,steal,etc. does NOT work. WE need to stop this downward spiral and bring Minnesota back to a self sustaining economy. If that means we have to tighten out belts and open our check books- so be it . The Pawlenty era is over it’s time to start upward !

  • dan

    Let’s all hold our noses, vote for it, get people to work and cared for, have a Miller and demand some REAL CHANGE. make taxes fair and simple and bring in Ranked Choice Voting!

  • Alison

    This is NOT living within your means. It’s living within someone else’s means! We’re going to pay for education one way or another. This way we’ll pay more and get less for what we pay. Absurd!!!

  • John from Oakdale

    A week ago I heard a commentator say that the Republicans didn’t have to negotiate because Gov. Dayton kept making offers closer and closer to their position. Looks like the strategy worked. It’s tempting to believe that the voters will reward the Democrats for behaving like adults, but that is not what happened in the last election. Democrats concentrate on getting along and Republicans concentrate on being tough. Who do you think will win in such a situation? I wish the Governor would have embraced the position of the Carlson-Mondale group, which would have involved truly shared sacrifice. I have not been asked by anyone else to sacrifice my considerable comfort for the state’s need.

    The one thing that gives me pause is, while I have not suffered at all due to the shutdown, the Governor hears all the suffering and is sympathetic. I commend him for his sensitivity, but not for his wisdom or his courage.

  • Ben

    Stealing from the schools is really a bad solution.

    There better be ”NO” stadium tax dollars in the deal.


  • Li

    While I respect Governor Dayton for reaching out to compromise to end the shut down, the solution proposed by the republicans does nothing to solve the budget deficit. By borrowing against future revenues, the republicans are already jeopardizing next year’s budget. By holding back payments to our schools, they are increasing the cost of education and putting an unneeded burden on our schools.

    The republicans continue to favor the wealthy few at the expense of the rest of us.

    Note that the legislators who are clearly NOT working for us continue to get paid.

  • JD

    They balanced the budget without raising taxes? Good. We are tied with NY for 8th amongst states as far as tax burdens go, did we really feel like we wanted that 8th spot all to ourselves? Raising taxes in a recession is a bad idea anyway.

    Besides, if all these liberals want to pay more in taxes, all they have to do is write a check to the MN Dept. of Revenue and put their money where their mouth is….that is their right.

  • CF

    This just in, they both agreed on a deal. Thank goodness they didn’t raise the cigarette or liquor tax.

  • Rich

    “For eight years we have been taking from the future to pay for today under the guise that we shouldn’t increase taxes. … The idea that we can go for an other two years by borrowing from tomorrow I think is the worst possible course this state can take,” Arne Carlson

    I couldn’t agree with former Governor Carlson more strongly.

    Mr. Dayton just validated all of Mr. Pawlenty’s accounting principles:

    *Borrowing from the school districts.

    *shifting and deferring payments

    *leveraging the tobacco fund

    Mr. Tom Emmer must be scratching his head wondering just how the heck all this happened. Emmer campaigned on essentially the same proposal.

    This is nothing short of “Emmer lite” !

  • Jamie

    // “Mr. Dayton just validated all of Mr. Pawlenty’s accounting principles:”//

    You’re wrong. The Republican leadership were the ones who came up with this proposal, and Mark Dayton did not like it, but he recognized the need to end the shutdown. He figured that agreeing to this REPUBLICAN proposal was the only thing that would bring an end to the shutdown. He said continuing the shutdown was worse than the Republicans’ very flawed proposal.

  • Josh D.

    In a word: horse poop (this has been adjusted for an MPR audience). Did we really have to go through all of this just to defer all the problems out two years with a bunch of budget gimmicks? Apparently yes. What a joke that the only thing they can agree on is to defer the issues out two years. Way to go LEADERSHIP. Did Dayton have to do it? Probably, good for him for at least putting so much effort into ending the shutdown, unlike his counterparts. Do I have to pretend to like it? No way. See you all back here in two years. Maybe the next round of useless government lackeys will have the ca-hones to write a legitimate budget.

  • Dan Humiston

    “No one’s going to be happy with this, which is the essence of a real compromise,” Dayton said.

    But THEY DID NOT SOLVE ANYTHING. Is it a real comprimise? Yes. It’s also an absolute failure. Let’s make it a date to come back in two years to do this again. Unbelieveable.

  • Steve the Cynic

    Marxists, Floyd? I don’t hear anyone advocating the abolition of private property. If you don’t believe in abolishing private property, then by definition you’re not a marxist. When you label Dayton a marxist, that’s either a laughably extreme overstatement, not worth taking seriously, or else a clear sign that you’re a deluded hothead with no idea what talking about.

  • Steve the Cynic

    “As the states chief execuitive, the Governor abdicated his responsibility by offering mediation.”

    I don’t know about that. In my experience, when two sides are at loggerheads and mediation is suggested, it’s usually the one with the least defensible position that’s most apt to decline. The fact that the Greedy Oligarchic Party dismissed that suggestion out of hand says to me that they realized, at some level, that they were being unreasonable.

  • Jen

    Epic fail.

  • John S

    Not a good solution. But given the intransigent position of the majority in the legislature, it was either go along with no tax increases or prolong the harmful government shut-down. I think Gov. Dayton chose what he felt was the lesser of two evils (at least for the short term). And that is one of the big problems in the state and also nationally. Government policy makers are not investing for the long term welfare of the state or nation. The next election is what they really have their eye on. I wish I could feel that our government was acting for the good of all citizens rather than for the special interests who pour money into the political process.

  • dawn m

    Why is it that MillerCoors got more media than 23,000 unemployed workers. ?? We will never be able to make up the lost wages. This just puts us further and further behind. A bigger hole to dig out of.

  • Alison

    This proposal is fiscally totally irresponsible. It proposes irresponsibly providing more than it can responsibly fund.

    STOP this apprpoach to State budgeting. We must determine how to pay for what we determine we need (and want).

    I hope the proposal is defeated.

    If it is approved, we must elect persons who WILL tackle and resolve this fundamental structural fiscal issue.

  • pragmaticlibertarian

    The young class of GOPs probably think they’ve won something here… but they sign off on this and they’re political careers are over. They’ll be voted out of office next time up and the chamber of commerce will be laughing all the way to bank congratulating their sacrificial lambs for being such good pawns. Is there a lawyer out there that can explain to me how this type of budget is legal given the requirement in MN to balance the budget… this is not balanced.