Student apologizes for anti-Semitic proposal to a dance

TCJewfolk, which supplied the image here, says it has confirmed that the two people pictured are seniors at Minnetonka High School.

The school district says it’s investigating, which shouldn’t take long because even the gymnasts who regularly come up with reasons why anti-Semitism and racism isn’t anti-Semitism and racism have no weapons on this one.

TCJewfolk says the social media account was deleted but one of the lovebirds posted to a new account:

“I apologize for my stupid mistake. There was no intent to offend anyone. Dm me if you would like to discuss anything.”

It’s entirely possible that the two kids were actually clueless. A survey last spring found two-thirds of millennials don’t know what Auschwitz is. Twenty-two percent haven’t got a clue what the Holocaust was.

“You wonder, in this day and age, how and why could someone still feel that this is an appropriate thing to do and to feel even?” Stu Schulman, who has two daughters who go to Minnetonka High School, tells WCCO.

Schulman and his wife have given presentations to students in the Minnetonka schools.

“At least one of those students has been in one of my own presentations, and my wife’s presentations,” Schulman told WCCO. “Given that experience, I don’t understand why anyone thought this would be acceptable.”

“In Spring 2018, the JCRC organized for local Holocaust survivor, Judith Meisel, to speak to 120 9th– 12th graders at Minnetonka High School,” said Steve Hunegs, executive director of the Jewish Community Relations Council of Minnesota and the Dakotas, in a statement. “In light of the situation, the JCRC stands ready to provide additional Holocaust education resources and guidance on how to support the district’s Jewish students and families.”

The school’s principal called the sign “deeply offensive” but won’t talk about any punishment for the students because of privacy concerns.

It might not be a bad idea to go over the history curriculum, though.

Archive: Recounting the Holocaust by podcast (MPR News)

Henry Oertelt’s story (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum)

  • John

    Oh my . . .

    I can’t even imagine what would make them think that was a good idea? I mean, I get that there’s this need to be cute or over the top in asking people to dances, and I get that kids make stupid decisions, but . . . this? Really?

    My kids have friends who live in Minnetonka. I’m pretty sure we have Jewish acquaintances who live in Minnetonka. And there is no possible way that this isn’t deeply disrespectful and offensive to them. (No I haven’t asked, this time I don’t need to). I know it shouldn’t matter where, but knowing that I’m likely no more than two degrees of separation away from these two makes it hit a lot harder for me.

    I don’t see any possible way that anyone can defend this, but I’m sure the internet will do it’s awful thing.

    note to Bob – Can you PLEASE put up a Friday feel-good post today? I’m a little sick about this right now, and could use a boost.

  • Rob

    //The principal called the sign “deeply offensive,” // since it is. But what’s the principlal’s position on the Sieg Heil salutes the kids were doing?

  • jon

    2/3rds of millenials don’t know what auschwitz is…

    2/3rds of people can’t name 3 branches of government…
    https://blogs.mprnews.org/newscut/2018/09/on-constitution-day-we-the-people-remain-clueless/

    maybe 2/3rds of people are just willfully ignorant, and no amount of “learning” is going to get them to know things…

    While I’m sure sociologists will look at the “cult of ignorance” in the United states (thanks asimov for the term) and see patterns and find all sorts of things to blame it on, I’m going to go for sound bites, like I blame the way we as a society have grown apart on “stranger danger” I choose to blame the selective ignorance of recent generations on “when am I going to use this in real life?” (waigtutirl)

    I don’t know the history behind waigtutirl, and it’s clearly not as well documented as “stranger danger” but I did see and hear waigtutirl when I was in school decades ago… and I suspect it’s been around longer than that… my guess is it dates back to at least the boomers school years…

    My mother showed my my grandfathers high school physics textbook several months ago when she came across it… it was labeled “war time edition” and included chapters on aeronautics and radio (it was spelled out on the cover as such.)
    I’ve little doubt boys in that class room knew when they were going to be using this in real life… I suspect for most of them it would be when they turned 18 and were eligible for the draft/enlistment. Though it could very well be that at the same time kids in the classes below were asking waigtutirl…

    Perhaps asimov was right and there has always been a cult of ignorance, and it stems not from waigtutirl, but from democracy itself… though I don’t think that is true, there are other democracies in the world that don’t value ignorance as much as we seem to in the US.
    Though what we do seem to value in the US is relationships… and maybe I should put more blame on Dale Carnegie for his popular “how to win friends and influence people” that shifted “success” in america to being about having a “network” instead of being focusing on self improvement by improving oneself instead of surrounding oneself with people (in theory successful people, but in an era of crowdsourcing we’ve moved on to just any group of people.)

    • BReynolds33

      Pew Research reported yesterday that 74% of Facebook users didn’t know that Facebook collects data on them for the purpose of advertising.

      Yeti (the cooler company) is currently selling a $70 5-gallon bucket (it’s not a cooler… it’s just a bucket).

      Willful ignorance is not only real, it is celebrated.

      • jon

        I had to go look at this $70 bucket… to see what could possible justify $70 for the bucket…

        I found it was only selling for $40 for the bucket, and $70 for the bucket and the lid…

        This does nothing to mute your point. it’s still just a bucket with a lid.

    • Joseph

      waigtutirl = When Am I Going To Use This In Real Life

      (Took me a minute to figure that out. Kids, always define your acronyms.)

      • lusophone

        (W)hen (A)m (I) (G)oing…

      • jon

        // “when am I going to use this in real life?” (waigtutirl)

        https://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/abbreviations/#Q2

        • Joseph

          Should have put the question mark after the acronym. Otherwise it just looks like a weird word floating by itself (since it is such a long phrase you are attempting to acronym).

  • TBH

    “It’s entirely possible that the two kids were actually clueless. A survey last spring found two-thirds of millennials don’t know what Auschwitz is. Twenty-two percent haven’t got a clue what the Holocaust was.”

    How is this possible? I am a millennial myself, albeit an older one, but I just can not comprehend this. Is it what they are teaching in school? A willful ignorance of the world around them? A combination of both? I don’t get it – would welcome input, although it is unlikely any one person has the answer.

    • Joseph

      Also a millennial here (not old millennial, but not young millennial either). In school when I was there (and I did both AP World and AP USA History classes), history classes (Middle School and High School) was focused on the events happening between New World colonization (like Jamestown) to Civil War reconstruction. This is the era all the tests were focused on. Anything after that, (World War One onward) we were expected to learn on our own if we were interested. In Economics, we briefly learned about the Great Depression and steps taken to get the country going again, but once we got to WWII the teacher just figured we all knew/had heard the story of WWII from movies/video-games and left it at that, since we were tight on time (which all classes are tight on time, since they are trying to pack in as much required knowledge as they can in a limited time frame). And for the record, as a history nerd, I know all about WWI, WWII (and the Holocaust), and have visited Dachau and the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC.

      • TBH

        Thanks for your reply – I can definitely understand that. I don’t recall all of my history lessons from the time so I can’t say with certainty that I had the same experience with school, but it sounds likely. I just happened to know about these important events and have for many years, so I might have incorrectly assumed I picked up that knowledge in school?

        I imagine Dachau was intense. I visited Sachenhausen and was absolutely floored.

      • jon

        I’m among the oldest of millenials (they call me an xennial or some other non-sense now)

        My history classes stopped after WWII.
        We might get some peace conferences, and a “that’s where the UN came from” or “that’s where the cold war came from” but never much about anything done by the UN, or done because of the cold war….

        Edit: in highschool we had AP european history… which also didn’t put much focus on WWII itself, more around the time between the wars, and what the impacts were after the war… much like you said, there was a presumption by that point you’ve heard about WWII and knew a fair amount about it.
        I did also take a WWII history class PSEO at the community college later on… and that had a few interesting takes on the fighting that was done, as well as the political upheaval that lead to the holocaust and why it wasn’t even a driving factor for the war itself… also a fair amount about japanese internment that was only briefly mentioned (and perhaps shamefully mentioned) in earlier history classes.

      • asiljoy

        huh, I’m a middling millennial as well and I guess I took fore granted how awesome our social studies/history teachers were. I remember being a ‘guide’ to a WW2 vet during a junior high WW2 history day when they brought in as many vets as they could find to sit at tables in the lunch room and we’d talk with them in small groups. Some had memorabilia, but mostly I remember their stories. I took AP history classes in high school too, but then did few in PSEO which also had a GREAT teacher that inspired basically the entirety of my life and career now that I think about it…. oh memory lane.

        • Joseph

          Lucky!! I would have loved that experience talking with the WWII vets!!

    • Aroke

      I am right in the middle of the millennial generation, and I cannot fathom anyone my age NOT knowing about the holocaust. I know I grew up in an area with good education so my experience probably biases my perspective… but still, two thirds?

      • Joseph

        I think most people know it happened, but they don’t know the details or the depths of evil that happened. It’s just a foot note of historical facts they have to learn along the way but don’t describe any real meaning to it, since they have no personal connection or interest in history.

  • Guest

    So few folks today have the reality of war in their memory. The Holocaust is just a fact like any other. Youth can’t envision their city being bombed and folks breaking down the door to shoot parents in front of them.

    Much like the rebel flag or the flag of whites lynching N….s the horror of what it represents just isn’t a gut punch for them.

    • The incredible thing is there are still a few people who lived in that period going into schools and telling these kids first person history and they STILL don’t get it.

      I would think a school field trip to Washington would take care of some of that.

      • Guest

        “Those who have ears, let him hear” Sometimes folks just don’t let the lesson sink in.

    • Kat S.

      I mostly agree, but the brush is a little broad. There are a lot of youth living in the Twin Cities today who can very well imagine folks breaking down their door or their city being bombed because it happened to them or their close relatives. Somali youth or Karen youth, to name a few.
      Granted, probably not so many youth in Minnetonka with that experience. And granted it isn’t the Holocaust. But the distance we think these kids were feeling isn’t just a matter of generations, and if they haven’t figured out how to empathize without personal knowledge yet, its definitely time to.

      • I’ve been trying to get my sister — fine writer — to write a NewsCut post about the refugees she’s taken in from the Congo. A mother and her child. She had other children. But when the bombs started falling on their village, she had a choice: Grab her children who were near her and run to the safety of the jungle. Or try to get them all and probably all die?

        No doubt that someone would find all of that funny and believe there’s a “right audience” for it.

        It’s unbelievable how ignorant our species can be.

        • kevins

          I work with a former citizen of Bosnia who daily had to run, with her younger sibs, for the woods near town when the first loud bang or pop happened. She is safe now, but never feels safe. I doubt that she will ever forget how she was treated.

  • Guest

    This tells me more about how little of WW1 and WW2 and Idi Amin and other inhumanity to man is taught, than it tells me kids understood it all and aligned with nazis.

    • Joseph

      Or the kids didn’t care/think it was serious, and went for the shock-humor (since they are high schoolers).

  • Guest

    WHY is history taught….because no other subject is so RELEVANT to today’s headlines. But it takes understanding a lot before truly understanding the connections.

    • And, yet, all the focus is on reading and math scores.

      • John F.

        I was going to point this out. Thank you.

      • AL287

        There is a new reading program in one of the four school districts where I teach.

        Back in November I taught a 3rd grade class and the focus was on the Civil Rights movement. The kids were reading about Rosa Parks and the Montgomery bus boycott.

        The kids were curious and very engaged.

        Having grown up during the fight for civil rights I added my own experience in the Deep South to add to their knowledge.

        The tendency in schools now is to shield students from the ugliness in the world so the ignorance is not voluntary. It’s planned, partly from time pressures, partly from parental pressure.

        I spoke with one of my older sisters last week and I asked her if she knew what “trigger warnings” are.

        She didn’t have a clue and was incredulous.

        9/11 did more to begin the unraveling of American democracy than any event in our history. We used to welcome immigrants. Now children are taught to fear them even though the overwhelming majority of Muslims, Latin Americans, etc. wouldn’t hurt a fly.

        Add the explosion of social media platforms, smart phones, and the election of a white, ethnocentric president with a gift for lying and making people covet what their neighbor has that they don’t and parents who don’t teach their children where the “fence” is, is it any wonder kids are mixed up these days?

        • BJ

          “9/11 did more to begin the unraveling of American democracy than any event in our history.” – yep

  • Ralphy

    When I was in middle school, in Hopkins, we had a study unit on the Holocaust. The required reading were what you could expect, but also we watched movies – Nazi propaganda movies and documentaries on the concentration camps, with images that I’m sure would be considered much too graphic and revolting for today’s curriculum.
    Do students today get exposed in an impactful way to the horror brought upon humanity by these monsters?

  • MrE85

    The fact that these two knuckleheads concealed their faces showed they knew what they were doing was wrong, and did it anyway.

    I hate to have our state’s name associated with this sort of stuff. Leave the fuhrer parodies to the professionals like Charlie Chaplin, the Three Stooges, and Mel Brooks.

    • The original post did not have concealed faces. TCJewFolk wisely did that.

      • MrE85

        Thanks for the clarification.

      • Barton

        That was nice of them, to be sure.

  • BReynolds33
  • John F.

    Hey, don’t lump these kids in with us Millennials. I was told that anyone still in high school was a whole different generation.

    • Joseph

      Yep, those idots belong to Generation Z / i-Gen. Leave us enlightened millennial out of it.

      #AdultsTheseDaysBlamingMilennialsForEverything

      • Kitten

        Gen Y are Milennials, that’s Gen Z

        • Joseph

          Updated! They keep changing the names — Last I heard, the gen after Millennial was Gen Y 😛

    • lusophone

      Yeah, blame probably falls on Gen X, cuz those are our kids.

      • Mike Worcester

        So where did us X-ers go wrong? Where did we fail our kids that they think this type of behavior is appropriate? Did we just not shout it loud enough that this crap has to stop? (Not chiding you or anyone else, just pondering out loud…)

        • Al

          I think when we as parents don’t immediately stop and say, “hey, that’s not cool, and let’s talk about why,” we lose an opportunity to teach our kids not *just* to be not racist, but to be actively anti-racist. For any myriad of reasons, we don’t take the time as parents, though–not the right time/place, not worth the fight, we don’t think it’s as big a deal as it is, etc.

          Jemar Tisby said it better when he was on with Kerri Miller last year. Seize those teachable moments. The biggest thing we can do wrong as parents is to do nothing.

          https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/11/13/miller-how-to-talk-about-racism-with-children

        • Postal Customer

          Believe it or not, the person in the oval office does have an influence. Don’t assume that you or any other Gen X-er “went wrong.”

  • The Resistance

    I think it’s a mistake to blame teachers or curriculum. This is a high performing high school with resources most schools could only dream of. 79% go on to 4 year schools, and 11% to 2 year schools. The TCJewfolk page says that the Jewish Community Relations Council even had a local Holocaust survivor speak to students at the school.

    I don’t think the problem here is going to be solved by another unit on the Holocaust (although it wouldn’t hurt). This is a simple case of kids not knowing right from wrong. Schools can reinforce those values, but those lessons are typically first learned at home.

    I grew up in a home where the N Word was used in daily discourse. I recall a shameful moment in high school when reading an excerpt from Native Son when Bigger Thomas is called a racial epithet and I chuckled out loud in class, because that epithet would have been considered humorous in our household.

    It was my English teacher, Mr. Carlile, who asked why I thought it was funny, explained in a thoughtful way how hurtful it was and pivoted to make it a class-wide conversation in order not to shame me and single me out in front of my classmates, and took me aside later to have a more in depth conversation about race. A few years later he wrote several college recommendations for me.

    In my personal experience, school was where I learned lessons I should have learned at home. That may or may not be the case here. But, I think it’s simplistic to think that only schools can solve this problem.

    • kevins

      I agree with you about the curriculum issues…some simply don’t want to hear, and therefore can’t understand. It also would be interesting to know more about the parents of the young folks that thought this was a good idea. Teenagers do dumb things, but sometimes their choices reflect the broader influence of the family culture.

      • The Resistance

        It would be interesting to hear from the parents. But, I know if my parents were interviewed in 198x about my English class incident there would have been denials all around.

        Only a family know what goes on in a family, and sometimes not even then.

    • Barton

      Native Son is one of the books that really changed my life.

      • The Resistance

        Same.

  • Terrie_S

    Last I checked, jokes are funny. Please explain the humor here, because I’m just not seeing it. I get that people have different senses of humor — my brother loves Dumb and Dumber, while I feel like it causes brain cell death — but in those cases, I can see what they find funny. Here, I got nothing.

  • New user with first comment.

    No trolling going on here.

  • fromthesidelines21

    I would argue that the only “audience” that would find this funny are not good people. Or at least people who simply don’t care to learn the depth of evil perpetuated by the Nazis.

    In my youth I said and tolerated others making jokes about other cultures or people with offensive terms. It was wrong then and still a point of shame for me. I get it, we say and do dumb things as we learn how the world works and make a place for ourselves. These two don’t need excuses for their behavior; they need honest reflection on why this a big deal to most.

  • Guest

    When Am I Going To Use This In Real Life = = = WHEN a friend thinks it is a good idea to fly a flag or give a salute or complains about reverse discrimination and you need to tell him WHY it is a terrible idea.

  • That’s what I figured. But you know you actually just reinforced the perception as reality that the kids of Minnetonaka aren’t that bright when it comes to history and, in particular, the Holocaust, right?

    Seriously, kid. You gotta get a clue about what the problem is here and — free tip — it’s not about the sensitivity of Americans toward humor.

    You’ve got to get a clue.

    Get yourself educated before it’s too late.

  • RBHolb

    “[T]hese kids aren’t bad people, they chose the wrong audience . . .”

    There is no “right” audience for this kind of joke.

    If thinking this kind of thing is funny doesn’t make you a bad person, what does?

  • RBHolb

    “Also I would like to state that I am not anti-semitic in any way, I hate all races equally.”

    Isn’t that adorable? What a cut-up he is!

  • Dimitri Drekonja

    I showed this to my 13 y/o this AM and asked what he thought.

    His response “did someone actually post this?
    Me: Yes, apparently a high school senior in Minnesota
    Him: I really can’t believe someone would be that dumb. Giving nazi salutes and joking about Hitler…I knew that was dumb before middle school.

    Glad I’ve crossed the low bar of parenting where my kids know nazis are not cool.

  • AmyR

    The poster makes a play on words re: Hitler’s book, Mein Kampf. That tells me that the creator of the poster is not ignorant of Hitler, the Holocaust, or anti-Semitism. S/he knows the issues well enough to make a pun about it. I don’t buy ignorance.

    • The Resistance

      That’s what I thought, too.

  • lusophone

    “Their sense of humor” offers us a glimpse inside their hearts and what I saw with this post isn’t so pretty.

    Jokes are still allowed in today’s political climate, it’s just that there isn’t anything funny about genocide.

    This almost feels like a bro signal to the kids in Wisconsin who posed for their class picture with the same salute. You can’t tell me these kids in Minnetonka didn’t see all the coverage that picture got.

  • RBHolb

    I understand that Völkischer Beobachter ran a lot of jokes. They probably were funny to the publishers of that paper.

  • Barton

    Some people think rape jokes are funny as well. Those of us who do not aren’t lacking a sense of humor, those that do are lacking empathy and a world view beyond their small little world.

    That someone thought it was funny is not an excuse for ignorant and hurtful behavior.

  • Beth-Ann Bloom

    The dance should be cancelled. Until young people are held accountable for their peers little progress is made. It is not funny or innocent and it does not require a lot of education or parental intervention to learn not to mock the death of millions of people.

    • Joseph

      All that would teach is to not get caught — and besides, the teens would likely hold a private party instead with copious teen drinking. (They are Minnetonka kids after all…)

  • crystals

    I graduated from your school, I know your principal (he was my teacher back in the day), and I think this has very little to do with people being unable to take a joke and everything to do with two people making a really stupid decision.

    I don’t know these kids specifically, but I do think what’s playing out here is representative of living in such a bubble that you cannot fathom how deeply problematic this is – the sign, the salute, the posting of it, and the reaction that the problem is other people who can’t take a joke.

    Listen to Bob’s comment below, and try and take it to heart. My .02: look around your school and ask yourself what parts of the world are missing from within those four walls, and then figure out what you need to do, where you need to go, and who you need to listen to in order to learn about *that* world.

  • Jason

    “It’s entirely possible that the two kids were actually clueless.”
    Yet their post includes “Hitler”, “Nazi”, German words, and a Sieg Heil Nazi salute. They knew more than you hold them accountable for.

  • KTFoley

    Did those “many people” that you talked to include anyone whose home, business, or place of worship has received graffiti, threats, burnt crosses or bombs in the last few years?

    Did they include people who have fled genocide in our time, some of whom still carry traumas and still remember family members who didn’t escape?

    Did they include people who are on the receiving end of comments about their skin color, their families or their countries of origin — either behind their back or to their faces?

    That’s the bubble that crystals is talking about.

  • KTFoley

    The notion that these two students thought it was funny is no defense. The “right audience” is wrong.

    These two students showed astoundingly poor judgment that betrays an ignorance of both the historical and ongoing effects of racism & genocide. Whether that ignorance is willful or accidental is quickly becoming a secondary question right now — it’s much more clear that Minnetonka has a gap in awareness that needs to be closed, stat.

    I imagine that your original point was that these are likable high school students. That’s no defense. Plenty of likable people do stupid things — and likable people also do horrific things to people who are not like them.

    Here’s what other likable students in local high schools have been up to lately:
    Burnsville: https://www.kare11.com/article/entertainment/television/programs/breaking-the-news/burnsville-high-school-tackles-racism/89-4c8cbf6e-766a-45ef-b389-846af7d96daf
    Chaska: https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/moms-viral-post-describes-racist-bullying-her-son-endures-at-minnesota-school
    Edina: https://edinazephyrus.com/assembly-protest-leads-to-anonymous-threats-harassment/
    Lakeville: https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/video/category/news-local-news/3629105-racist-graffiti-found-in-lakeville-south-high-school-bathroom/
    Woodbury: https://www.twincities.com/2017/12/20/woodbury-high-school-confronts-racist-behavior-by-some-students/
    Maple Grove: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2016/11/10/racist-comments-at-schools-across-minnesota
    Rochester: https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/racist-halloween-costumes-condemned-by-rochester-school-officials

    Minnetonka is no special exception here.

  • Jack Ungerleider

    One of the easiest ways to help people get a sense of the devastation Holocaust is for them to watch the French short film “Night and Fog”.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_and_Fog_(1956_film)

  • Bmattison

    I hope your parents don’t mean if you “pick your audience” you can make any statement. This kind of statement is wrong for ANY audience. Revisit this with your parents.

    The Minnetonka bubble is similar to the Edina bubble I grew up in. Watch yourself DmDm. These bubbles aren’t the real world.

  • RBHolb

    “I don’t se how sense of humor dictates the kind of person you are . . .” There are things that decent people don’t find amusing. Would you laugh at a bloody traffic accident? Why not?

    ” . . . take it from south park, they have a VERY dark sense of humor, and trey Parker and Matt stone are perfectly fine people . . .” I wouldn’t know. The little bit of South Park that I have seen has been crudely animated scatology, designed for shock value.

    “. . . in no way am I saying this behavior is ok, it is not . . .” You do, however, seem to be spending a lot of time defending the people who indulge in behavior that is not ok. Isn’t doing things that are not ok the definition of a person who is, shall we say, not “good?”

    “. . . and it can tarnish the reputation of this great school . . .” That’s way down on the list of concerns, I think.

    “. . . again, as my mother and father have told me, pick your audience, and this girl, picked the wrong audience . . .” The only “right” audience for this kind of “humor” fled to Argentina after the war. Good riddance.

    “I guarantee if this happened in a close group of friends no one would care . . .” That speaks volumes about the group of friends.

    “. . . she just made a mistake, besides she’s in highschool, all high schoolers make mistakes, and I think everyone can learn from this.” Learn what? Learn that making jokes about being a Nazi are a bad choice? I think this goes beyond that. A high school student should know that you don’t do this kind of thing.

    “Not to mention she has been getting personal attacks, telling her to kill herself, and that she’s a drunk teen who doesn’t belong.” Also not right, but it doesn’t excuse her behavior.

    “What if she has mental issues, like depression, and it causes her to act out, or what if their are other factors, mabye facility issues?” She should get a pass because she might have issues? Life doesn’t work like that, I’m afraid.

  • RBHolb

    Can I call you an entitled suburban white kid who needs to lose your Minnetonka attitude and see the parts of the world outside of a shopping mall?

    What’s the matter? It’s just a joke. I think it’s funny.

  • psychswede@aol.com

    Mass murders and genocide are never funny…and there should not be any audience that appreciates this callous “humor”…

  • KTFoley

    As so many people have tried to tell you today, your bubble is showing.

  • RBHolb

    “There was no threat involved with this, none at all, Nada, none . . .”
    What do you suppose a Holocaust survivor would think of that?

    “What if someone didn’t show ENOUGH empathy to her?”

    How much empathy is a person who makes Nazi jokes entitled to? Lord knows, I would HATE to hurt her self-esteem, or not show the proper empathy towards Minnetonka High.

  • MetalPheonix

    These are Not Millenials. the last Millenial was born in 1994. Making the youngest one 24

  • RBHolb

    Do you know what “empathy” is? Seriously, do you know the definition of that word? I’m sure you’ll tell me that you do, but whatever you may think it means, the commonly accepted definition is “the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner.”

    It includes being “offended for other people.” You know, that behavior that you find “annoying.”

    P.S. I’ve known Holocaust survivors. When I was about 13, my Mother explained to me why a businessman in our neighborhood had numbers tattooed on his arm. The year after that, a substitute teacher had spent time in the camps. In college, I had a class from a woman who was one of the archivists for the Nuremberg Trials (she and her family were lucky enough to get out of Germany in 1933). If you can be “offended” for your friends who made “bad decisions,” can I be “offended” on behalf of the people I’ve known who made the “bad decision” to be born to certain parents at a certain time in history?

  • lusophone

    That’s not what psychswede is saying, that’s not what any of us are saying.

    I don’t even think anyone here is calling the student a Nazi sympathizer. Some may think that, but not sure. Although, these are the kinds of things Nazi sympathizers find funny.

    The “joke” is despicable. There’s no defending it. And Hitler and Nazism go hand in hand with genocide, there is no separation of these things. They are all included in the package deal.

  • Aroke

    In the words of Michael Scott:

    “There are certain topics that are off-limits to comedians:
    JFK, AIDS, the Holocaust. The Lincoln Assassination just recently became funny.
    I need to see this play like I need a hole in the head. And I hope to someday
    live in a world where a person could tell a hilarious AIDS joke. It’s one of my
    dreams.”

    Using this enlightened line of thinking, why have Nazi jokes
    “recently [become] funny”? Is it a simple product of time and the erosion of
    emotional connections to a bygone era? Is it the failure of our education system?
    Or maybe the rise of Trump empowering young people to speak their mind,
    regardless of how vulgar their thoughts may be?

    How vastly different their reality and experience must be
    than that of even a generation ago.

    Side note: I personally think the “2/3 of millennials…”
    statistic is overstated – do you have a source?

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  • lindblomeagles

    I don’t think we should accept the students’ apology. Yes, they are young. Yes, they can change. But, let’s be serious. They should have easily known better than to come up with this stuff. Such “jokes” have been condemned before in the media, and not that long ago, for the last 50 years. Don’t believe me? Let’s refer to Bob’s story about the boys in Wisconsin living in a town that is openly hostile to Jews and giving the Nazi salute, with smiles on their faces, just last month. These students knew better. They just didn’t care.

  • kevins

    Question after all of the discussion….did the girl(s) accept the proposal?

    • kevins

      And if so….UGH!

    • LDCornell

      High school students are allowed to be stupid. The fact that he apologized *and* made it clear that it was thoughtless and stupid, cannot be taken back, and wishes to be forgiven are good.

  • Debby

    Bob, you’re letting some horrible postings through. See Alhambra Decree. Please delete!!

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