There’s work to be done

Every now and again, a day comes along with a letter to the editor that you know is going to set the world ablaze.

Today is that day.

Let’s take this one apart:

First, “I fully support the Me Too and Time’s Up movement,” has become the new “I’m not a racist” in which what follows after the invocation is usually a testimonial to a lie.

“I’ll mention that my ladies took me to lunch….”

My ladies?

“with part of their breasts exposed…”

Which part?

This is warmed over “these women are asking for it.”

“As a normal heterosexual male…”

Hand me the sports section.

  • Veronica

    Oh, buddy. Please sit down.

  • BReynolds33

    “There isn’t a male out there who isn’t thinking sex.”

    Really? Because I’m not.

    And my friends that are gay males likely aren’t, either.

    So maybe not so much with the talking for this guy.

    • I thought there was a problem. I got through the entire Oscars broadcast without thinking about sex once. Although, at my age, that’s not a big accomplishment.

      • Jerry

        Even the sex from The Shape Of Water? (Which admittedly I haven’t seen, but have heard so much about)

        • What about it?

          Also, I don’t recall seeing any sex scene broadcast on Sunday night, but maybe I was too drowsy to notice.

  • MrE85

    If you get named as an “honorary woman,” do you get to wear the pretty clothes? Especially the shoes!

    Kidding aside, this poor soul doesn’t get it, and likely never will. He’s bad for the brand, but there you have it.

  • jon

    Seems pretty standard for the aging hippies…
    “I totally support your cause! But only if it is the cause I had 50 years ago, with the same ideology and goals.”

    We’ve moved on, the hippies aren’t all that radical/liberal anymore though they are unwilling to give up the title even though the ideology has moved on…

    Not all aging hippies… some of them have kept up with the times, and some of them have lost their mind and have medical/mental health excuses for why they think it’s 1970… but some of them certainly keep the idea that they are radical progressives, while pushing an agenda that is anything but.

    • RBHolb

      Speaking as a former hippie, I can say we weren’t product managers for General Mills back in the 70s, man.

      Which is not to say that there wasn’t plenty of sexism going around in the more Bohemian parts of America.

      • Rob

        Like, I totally agree. All a former hippie – or anyone else, for that matter –
        needs to do is check out an old underground comic or two to see the sexism of the counterculture in full display.

  • RBHolb

    The tone of the letter is set by the opening “OK.” He is telling the “ladies” to calm down, be quiet while he tells them what they should be doing. After all, he generally agrees that women should not be harassed or sexually assaulted, even if he really thinks it is basically their fault.

    The condescension, it burns.

    • MikeB

      It is ludicrous to the point of thinking this is performance art.

      However, back to Occam’s Razor.

  • Former CEO of Rollerblade. Check out some of the old marketing and advertising Rollerblade did.

  • Jerry

    I just came back from a trip to southern Utah, home of fundamentalist Mormans, where the women all dress like 19th century schoolteachers. Everybody knows how they treat women with respect.

  • KariBemidji

    I detest the word Lady (exceptions: Lady and the Tramp, ‘she’s not a lady, she’s my sister’ – The Aristocats). It just makes my spine stiffen – the Lady Senators from Minnesota, the Lady Gophers, the Lady Pastor, etc. Full inclusion and respect does not need a modifer.

  • Jeff C.

    Yesterday I walked past a car dealership. There was a beautiful Porsche sitting there. It was just asking to be driven! I went inside and they gave me the keys. I took it out and, boy did I give it a spin! It was great! I was speeding, and causing accidents left and right! But it wasn’t my fault. Don’t blame me for my bad behavior. It was the car’s fault. If you present yourself as a fast car you are going to be treated like a fast car and invite bad behavior, like speeding and aggressive driving. I in no way endorse speeding and aggressive driving, whatever the provocation, but it is what it is.

  • Postal Customer

    Question is why they printed it. Consider the demographic that reads the Star Tribune, especially the print version, especially its letters to the editor. Are they eliciting a “hell yeah!!” from their readers? I’m sure they got it.

    This is warmed over “these women are asking for it.”

    It’s not even warmed over. He almost said exactly that.

    • Ickster

      Because the point of the Op-Ed section is no longer to provide critical viewpoints to stimulate thinking, it’s to generate outrage to drive clicks (I know this was the print version; I imagine it shows up online as well.)

      • It wasn’t an op-ed either

        • Ickster

          I was categorizing Letters to the Editor as part of the Op-Ed section, because that’s where I tend to see it. Is that wrong?

  • Brian Simon

    I think there is a valid question buried in his letter, however clumsily its been phrased.

    As women challenge the societal norms of sexism and inequality, why do so many continue to follow the societal norms of dressing as sex objects? Certainly women can dress glamorously or fashionably without putting their bodies on display. Can’t they?

    How we dress is a choice in how we want to be perceived. That is as true for me as a white man as it is for those who aren’t.

    Ready for the blow-back!

    • Bridget L.

      Who’s telling them that they are dressing like sex objects? Also wanting to look and feel sexy isn’t the same as being objectified and told that if you didn’t want to be objectified than don’t dress in a way that makes someone objectify you. I circle back to: Who’s telling them they are dressing and are sex objects?

      • Brian Simon

        Looking at the image attached to this story, what is the purpose of the exposed cleavage of all three women? If I wore a top with that kind of neckline, I’d be ridiculed, at best. Certainly people wouldn’t take me seriously. Why do women wear such designs?

        • Whatever the answer is, “to be sexually assaulted” isn’t one of them.

        • Jerry

          Because that is the accepted norm for evening wear, and has been for at least the last 50 years?

          If there is anything history has taught us, it is that it doesn’t matter what women wear, men will find a way to sexually objectify them.

          • Brian Simon

            Jerry, that’s the point: why not challenge the accepted norm of evening wear as well as challenging the accepted norms of behavior?

          • Jerry

            Grey jumpsuits for all!

            (And women will still be harassed and assaulted until men change)

        • Jerry

          Would you honestly be judging Selma Hayek for dressing like that if she wasn’t built like Selma Hayek?

        • Bridget L.

          Couple of things: I agree with Jerry, accepted societal dress norms for that particular occasion. Where those norms come from is a whole other subject. I also agree with Jerry’s second point. Also, why would you be ridiculed?! I bet you would look great, you do you.

        • Rob

          The only kind of clothing that makes me take people less seriously is bowties

      • It’s also saying women are responsible for the actions of men. No sale.

        • Brian Simon

          Bob, are you saying you can’t influence how others perceive you based on your actions, like in choosing how to dress?

          • Jerry

            You can judge people on how they dress in many situations. If a woman comes to her job as a mechanic dressed in an evening gown, I will judge her for dressing inappropriately. If she goes to a formal awards show in an evening gown, I will not.

          • I’m saying how others perceive what a woman is wearing has nothing to do with a justification for a man’s actions against that woman.

            You have the right to get turned on/turned off by what a woman is wearing. You don’t get to invoke that as a defense for your inability to stop there.

            It’s pretty simple, really?

            also, you can turn the TV off.

          • Jerry

            Just because you are dressed attractively doesn’t mean you are not deserving of respect. It’s that simple.

          • Brian Simon

            I don’t think I said women’s choice of dress justifies harrassment or abuse. Your characterization of my comments as such amounts to a strawman argument. Well done!

          • Not at all. I’m delineating the line between what women wear and what you can think about what women wear.

            Because otherwise, what possible relevance is there to anyone’s reaction of what women wear?

  • MrE85

    Looks like some folks in the media have some work to be done. Case in point: the Politico tweet that identified our junior Senator as “Franken’s replacement.”

    Senator Replacement noted the slight, and responded.

    https://twitter.com/SenTinaSmith/status/971426465706323969

    • She IS a replacement. She’s an unelected U.S. senator, just as Dean Barkley was a replacement for Paul Wellstone.

      Once you’re elected, you get all sorts of respect for being an elected U.S. senator.

      • crystals

        She IS a senator, though. And I loved her response.

      • MrE85

        I know Tina Smith. I’ll save time and give her the respect she’s due now.

        • She’s due respect as a senator who was installed as a replacement. No question. She wasn’t put there by voters, though . I don’t think that can be ignored. She is different than most every other senator in that regard.

          I don’t really consider Jerry Ford to be an equal among presidents either, ftr.

          • MrE85

            I blame Chevy Chase for that….

          • X.A. Smith

            Would you have stood in the oval office and addressed President Ford as “Dick’s replacement?”

          • Rob

            Yes, except to be fully accurate, Ford was “Tricky Dick’s replacement.”

          • X.A. Smith

            And only because Spiro Agnew was unavailable.

          • No I’d address him as Mr. President. But he’d still be an unelected president who reolaced a guy to fill out an unexpired term.

            With Ford, there was at least an order of succession.

          • X.A. Smith

            Maybe we should elect Vice Senators.

          • Rob

            Plus there’s the whole pardoning Tricky Dick thing

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  • MarkUp

    Of the lovely dresses on display that night, I the most remarkable ensemble I recall was Rita Moreno, looking stunning in the same gown from 1962.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4d6b5c42ce51940528c58e772ddd245777f7b9bb523e0f8ae8fbba7e109d820e.png