Keillor in online generational spat

The passing of the generational torch is often uncomfortable, but Garrison Keillor’s rapid exit from the stage when Minnesota Public Radio cut busines ties with the man who built the operation is going to leave wounds beyond the allegations leveled against him.

A younger generation has been waiting for its opportunity, Nora McInerny wrote in a Time.com column on Thursday that Keillor’s time is in the past, criticizing him for a Washington Post column of Keillor’s (the Post subsequently canceled the writer’s column) that dismissed, for example, efforts to rename Lake Calhoun in Minneapolis.

Well, duh, dude. We know how time machines work, and we know how words work. Changing a name on a lake doesn’t change the past. It changes our present. It’s a course correction that says, “Hey, hmmm, this is pretty messed up to use the name of a terrible person on a beautiful lake we stole from the Dakota people!”

No woman who speaks up gets to change her past. And in many cases, speaking up doesn’t exactly change her world for the better. Again, I refer you to Internet comments.

Calling out an offender for who he is and changing the name of a lake are not pointless just because they inconvenience the status quo. Neither of these actions change the past, but they have the potential to change the world we live in now.

“It’s been 50 years, dude,” said McInerny, who hosts a podcast — Terrible, Thanks for Asking — for the same company for which Keillor once toiled she wrote. “Let the rest of us have a turn.”

Responding via Twitter and Facebook, Keillor rejected the suggestion.

There aren’t a lot of people who can match Keillor for linguistic weaponry. McInerny is one of them, however, and isn’t backing down.

Keillor has now locked down his Twitter page.

  • Jim Cricket

    Begging the question if the generation under Mark Twain resented his talent with the same sort of spite.

    • Maybe it depended on where Twain stood on Calhoun.

      • theoacme

        I know how Twain stood on Ulysses S. Grant, based on Memoirs, and that was the type of book that Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton would wish that Twain could write for them…

        …however, despite the facts, no one in the generation after Twain was known to have resented Twain in the Keillorian manner, because Twain and Grant’s accomplices hid Grant’s sins much better (Master of War by Benson Bobrick sheds a lot of light into some of Grant’s unfitness).

  • Gary F

    Hey Nora, Keillor’s audience, the aging baby boomers, are all nearing retirement and have MPR/NPR in their wills. Their donations will be in numbers way more than your generation will contribute. Easy on the old arrogant, pompous, narcissistant, gasbag, he’s a creep, and a big money maker for public radio.

    Just be thankful that Chris Thile is doing such a great job.

    • Baby Boomers aren’t all of Keillor’s mindset.

      Based on the bluster from listeners who got Strib space and airtime, 153 membership cancellations are pretty tiny.

      MPR is a brilliant company and recognizes that the future is in the future. So do people who have taken the financial steps to insure there is one.

    • Rob

      I’m a boomer and I’m with Nora. I’ve been an MPR member since the mid ‘80s, and am a huge fan of Chris Thile and the cool musical guests he has on the show.

      My donations to MPR aren’t going anywhere. As you noted, Garrison is a pompous old gasbag, and as his back-crawling behavior, tone-deaf defense of Al Franken, apologist tripe about Lake Calhoun and response to McInerney showed, clearly a racist and sexist putz to boot.

      So adios to him, and the horse he rode in on. Long live MPR!

      • Hammer_Dog

        Racist and sexist for having a different opinion. How tolerant.

        • What if your opinion is racist and sexist?

  • BReynolds33

    In a fight between Nora and Keillor, I’ve got Nora every time. Every. Damn. Time.

    • crystals

      TEAM NORA!

    • sirpatrick

      Can they both lose, please.

  • KTFoley

    I started listening to Garrison Keillor back in the 80’s when a radio station in upstate New York carried APHC. I stopped listening after attending a live St. Paul show sometime in the 2000’s where the Lake Wobegon monologue about Easter weekend became a diatribe about ungrateful adult children, without a shred of nostalgia to cloak the bitter anger. It wasn’t fond, it wasn’t funny, and it wasn’t fiction.

    The public knew Keillor had a young daughter with whom he was besotted, and a grown son who also worked on APHC. Whatever occurred, this story was about Jason’s offense. GK scolded JK live on the air for the audience & crew to hear, then read his name in the credit roll as though nothing had happened.

    Clearly, GK did that because he could. Seeing the rancor beneath the mask made me consider that perhaps he really was a grouchy neighbor and notoriously bad tipper as others had said. Perhaps he insisted on singing because the host of APHC really expected listeners to welcome whatever kind of noise he made. Perhaps the Andy Rooney-like op-ed columns really were as partisan and self-indulgent as they sounded.

    The years have not dissuaded me of any of those likelihoods.

    So now, I consider that perhaps he really does believe everyone should revere him, believe him, and sympathize that he has been treated unjustly. That never ends well; we should brace ourselves for more bitterness dragged before an unwilling audience.

    • ghm52

      Besotted with his daughter?
      What does that mean? She would have been under 5…maybe not yet diagnosed with a serious neurological disorder which would prevent her from even being able to understand his books…His son still worked for him when he was in Charlottesville, VA. 9/17.
      Boo to you and Nora.

      • Besotted means to be head over heels for… in this case as a father. It was quite charming to read his columns back then. It was fascinating to get a glimpse of how the arrival of a daughter gave him an entirely different perspective about things.

        • ghm52

          I know what besotted means!
          KTFoley seemed, to me,to be insinuating something more than “as a father”. It is a rather adult term.

    • Sardondi

      Garrison Keillor is either the most bitter passive-aggressive guy in America, or the most passive-aggressive bitter guy in America. At least this side of Jimmy Carter. That “love note” to his hometown of Anoka that he counterfeited every week off and on for 30 years was in truth a barely veiled diatribe, full to the brim of the venom that only a narcissist artist can brew after stewing for years over how the people who bred him failed to recognize that a genius had walked among them. Just read some of his New Yorker stuff about what he really thought of Minnesota – and middle America. Like the elitist leftist he is, his hatred of the bourgeoisie is very real and bone deep. It isn’t sentimental humor that is his true oeuvre; it’s sneering contempt for what he left behind as soon as he could, which, true to his twisted psyche, he disguises with an affection he does not possess.

      • Celia Hayes

        I thought it was terribly sad – and Ironic, Because I loved the early PHC shows that I listened to. I remember a good few military broadcasters spoke up at some mil-broadcaster conference where our input was solicited – asking for suggestions as to possible shows for inclusion in the AFRTS packages. But no – the manager soliciting our input told us; military broadcasting had cooties, and GK didn’t want us anywhere near. Pity that. The PHC shows in the 70s and 80s were the good kind of Americana. But he turned bitter, sour, and so hateful later on. It was so obvious a year or so after 9-11 that I just couldn’t bear to listen any more. So nasty, so hating towards Flyoverlandia. That he despised the real-life residents of Lake Woebegon-America couldn’t be hidden for much after the 2008 election. I bailed, and stopped listening around then.

        • // But no – the manager soliciting our input told us; military broadcasting had cooties, and GK didn’t want us anywhere near.

          I’m calling BS on that. APHC was carried on Armed Forces Radio Network.

          Give me a name/location of that manager so i can check your claim out.

    • RBHolb

      I remember his bitter spat with Nick Coleman, which resulted in his leaving town in a huff. Apparently, it wasn’t okay for anyone to report on his marriage. Put him on the cover of Time magazine, sure, but otherwise leave him the heck alone.

  • Brian Boru

    Were you assigned the takedown role? It seems your trying too hard. I don’t for a minute believe it’s only 133 people who chose to no longer be sustaining members. When you start blaming groups, ie Baby Boomers etc, you have lost the argument whatever it was. Dividing people is not going to advance MPR’s interests.

  • Bob Johnson

    I find this in bad taste, and not in the tradition of Public Radio

    • buddygonzo

      …he sniffed

  • KTN

    I started listening to Keillor first when he was a morning host on KSJN way back in the day. My dad started giving to MPR in ’73, which we had continued, until last week. My wife and I are part of the 133, and I we also asked that our names be removed from The Current’s Founders Wall.

    If MPR is going to erase history (and they are), then I decided to erase our names from MPR. Not an easy decision for sure.

    We went to a few of PHC live shows over the years, but I found I liked sitting on our porch at the cabin, cocktail in hand, and imagining, rather than being in the audience witnessing the goings on.

    I think about all the musical artists that either got their break on PHC, or were introduced to a larger audience. The annual joke show was always a favorite. The stories, the ribbing he gave to then President Bush (that was pretty low hanging fruit however) the sound effects wars between Tom Keith and Fred Newman and on and on.

    Bringing a live show to places that might not otherwise have the opportunity to be exposed to live music – or a live show in general was in my opinion, important and can’t really be understated.

    Some it seems believe this is reverence to the past. They would be wrong. PHC was a part of my(our) lives, good shows and not so good shows included. This enjoyment had little to do with generations, rather it was a way to be entertained in a different way then going to see The Replacements at the Uptown.

    Is there more to the story than we are being told – most likely, but that secrecy is part of my frustration, and why we are severing financial ties with MPR over the erasure of history.

    • // If MPR is going to erase history (and they are)

      How? Removing the name and content from the website? It’s not theirs.

      // Bringing a live show to places that might not otherwise have the opportunity to be exposed to live music – or a live show in general was in my opinion, important and can’t really be understated.

      How has that changed?

      //but that secrecy is part of my frustration

      What would satisfy you in this regard? The woman’s name? More salacious details?

      If there’s something unfair, someone’s going to file a lawsuit.Then there’ll be discovery and depositions and all the laundry will get aired.

      Unless a lawsuit isn’t filed, of course.

      But I’m pretty sure your contribution to to Minnesota Public Radio doesn’t entitle you to strip the privacy and protection from its employees. But maybe I missed that perk in the last pledge drive.

      Sorry to see you go. We’ll miss your participation around here.

      • KTN

        We willingly gave to MPR because we liked the product they delivered. We are willingly pulling that support because we object to the decisions by management, not because of what you write about, or the music that Mary Lucia plays, this isn’t personal towards any employee of MPR for sure. We don’t live in Minnesota any longer, so our support to MPR was eventually going to end, this has merely hastened that decision.

        I don’t want salacious details, just honesty, but that is woefully lacking in this case (on both sides, this is not blind adoration towards Keillor).

        We differ on whether touching a women’s back is cause for your life’s work to be erased, and that difference is unlikely to change. And, I hope that our moving our donation to MTPR does not disqualify me from this site.

        • Jerry

          Do you really think MPR would really kill the goose that laid the golden eggs for touching someone’s back? The only side of the story we have heard is his because MPR cannot tell the story, only his accusers can.

          • Jackson Tho

            I think they could overreach in these witchhunt times. We learn the details of Weinberg, Lauer, etc. Somehow those get out. It may take longer with this one, but eventually someone will leak it. Or we’ll see some details in Russian Wikileaks email dumps.

        • // this isn’t personal towards any employee of MPR for sure.

          I get it. But I wouldn’t want you to be under any illusion about where the impact will be felt.

          // whether touching a women’s back is cause for your life’s work to be erased

          Well, again, MPR didn’t have any choice w.r.t. the archiving of his shows/audio etc. Typically, I know, when someone leaves here, they’re able to get copies of their work. That may be the case here too.

          You brought up the suggestion that all Keillor did was brush up against someone and maybe that’s all it was. Maybe it was exactly as he told it in one message to one reporter.

          Joe Soucheray raised an interesting observation without actually saying it. Why was it necessary for his hand to be touching bare skin? Keillor noted, for example, that “her shirt was open”. That shouldn’t really make any difference unless — as Sooch suggested — she buttoned her shirt up her back. So it was a curious mention in Keillor’s explanation. For his bare skin to touch hers, wouldn’t he have had to remove or move her shirt? It doesn’t make sense.

          Keillor hasn’t really been any more forthcoming than MPR on the details and isn’t taking questions but if he were “why does a pat back require skin on skin” would be a legitimate one.

          • KTN

            No illusion on my part, but it seems like a little animosity towards our decision, which in my mind the outcome is the same whether we stop donating due to pique, or moving out of state. I’m going skiing now, the snow here in British Columbia is great today.

          • // it seems like a little animosity

            I’ve written numerous times in this space over the years that I think people can make their own decisions with money and they can give it to public radio or not give it to public radio. That’s up to them.

            I think it’s rather illogical, however, to walk away from public radio support (or not supporting it at all) while still taking advantage of the work that has been funded by someone else.

            Now, sure, I know what you and others are going to say: “but it’s taxpayer supported”.

            To a degree, of course, it is although few people know to what extent their own tax dollars go.

            I suspect the people know who have ignored me when I say “Send me your email address after you calculate your cost and I’ll send you a check.”

            They know.

            On the whole, pulling your support based what you know about the Keillor situation is an emotional one, not a logical nor informed one because you don’t know much. None of us do. We should admit that.

            And when we’re emotional, we’re given to illogical and underinformed decisions. Who doesn’t get that?

            Personally, though, I don’t know when I’ve read a more ridiculously illogical letter to the editor in the Strib than this one yesterday.

            Stop the madness. We’ve made our point. This crazy witch hunt needs to end. I am one of the bazillions of “MeToo” women, but it’s time to move on.

            Why? Because it will never end. These stories make titillating headlines, but the fact that it’s a free-for-all for women to accuse is dangerous. I believe them, and yet it would be so easy to accuse someone because you don’t like them. And no one dares to question the accusers at the risk of being accused of excusing creepy behavior. No one should be fired. Firing will not change what happened. Even Roy Moore — his tenure ends when he gets voted out. Put Matt Lauer back at the desk. Give Garrison Keillor back his contract with the radio. But let them know — let them all know — this is the reckoning. They’ve been warned. Women stand up. Meeting with the boss? Put a tape recorder in your pocket. Challenge what you hate. Immediately.

            JULIE TORGERSON, St. Paul

            “Stop sexual harassment in the worldplace! But, you know, don’t. “

          • krdunnam

            As a long-time outfit-maker (part of my suffrage costume appears in my profile pic), I went looking for images of open-back tops such as a younger woman might wear to work in the summertime…or an older woman might wear to my church.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b4aba74dd73a241c9b35f7b4ae112d50276cbaadb869014bbb624d1703b2f785.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ed11e7f548a35ed9540b9e31afca6ea38c124f3a6e44dd49f8358bd290138e7.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/eb470ad6d32596ec0b5280dd705a3ccf03253d503e03d1f92bcb47a913d2c345.jpg

          • That’s kind of awesome.

            At the same time, that still seems like forbidden territory.

          • Jackson Tho

            Agree, that’s part of what threw me. Unless he is totally clumsy and reached out towards the upper back and got the lower. That’s a stretch tho. And he claimed that women had grabbed him during photos. I don’t think that exactly helps his case.

      • Jackson Tho

        In most other cases we know the accusers’ name at least. We get more of their stories. This one is shrouded in mystery. Maybe he is an evil bast#$@ as so many say. Even Keillor said, “It is a sin to believe evil of others but it is seldom a mistake.” But before I really believe hes evil I want some real confirmation.

    • AL287

      PHC has been a part of my life since my first year of college in 1975 at LSU.

      Louisiana Public Radio was not known as one of the most progressive public radio stations in those days but they knew a good thing when they heard it.

      I can remember traveling to a vocal competition in Arkansas with my sister and we were listening to PHC’s broadcast. She was laughing so hard she could hardly drive and so was I.

      Now the witch hunt has spread to the professional music world with James Levine now a target.

      As a poor college student I also used to listen to the Texaco sponsored Met performances on public radio.

      My past is slowly being ripped apart.

      Thank you, #metoo. Such a lovely holiday gift.

      • Victims of sexual harassment and assault owe you the protection of your memories?

        • AL287

          No. They owe the men they are accusing the right to due process. Unfortunately in today’s hysterical and vindictive atmosphere you are guilty until proven innocent.

          • The investigation into Keillor lasted a month, involved an outside firm that questioned those involved and issued its report. What is your evidence,exactly, that there wasn’t due process?

            Whenever I heard this stuff about hysterical and vindictive atmosphere I notice couple of things:

            (1) The women who step forward are quite calm and sober in the detailing of their assaults/harassment, not hysterical.
            (2) People who make these claims of men being railroaded never mention the men who got railroaded. And with good reason: Almost of the men acknowledged their past behavior. Weinstein, Lassiter, Rose, Lauer, Thrush, kreisburg, Louis CK, Hoover, Dick, Oreskes,Sweeney. In Cornish’s case, the text messages did him in.

            So what really is what’s got you upset other than the fact you liked the guys that got caught?

          • AL287

            I am not saying not to believe the women/men involved in these events.

            Yes, I did like the men as you say “got caught.” I had and still have a lot of respect for Garrison Keillor and as a professional musician and opera singer, especially James Levine.

            It just sounds and feels an awful lot like the McCarthy hearings where talented men and women were blackballed for their current or past association with the evil empire that was communism.

            The Red Scare was a very dark time in our history that I never thought I would see again and here it is, shoved in my face like a whipped cream pie. For me it is very sad and depressing, not a good way to feel loving and giving at this time of year.

            I am of the personal opinion that we need to let the statute of limitations take their course and move forward from there. Every state has them, including Minnesota.

            The statutes of limitation are the chief reason only 3-6% of these cases will ever make it to a jury trial. A company investigation is not a jury trial or even a bench trial.

            The accused are being convicted in the court of public opinion much like the football coach at Mankato State whom we found out later was totally innocent but the damage was done.

            How are people being denied their due process rights? I can name several—Twitter, Instagram, Facebook. It’s easier and much more simple to let an online posting or news story be judge, trial and jury.

          • You’re mixing criminal procedings with the decision of private businesses to disassociate themselves from employees/business relationships that they find unacceptable.

            // How are people being denied their due process rights? I can name several—Twitter, Instagram, Facebook. It’s easier and much more simple to let an online posting or news story be judge, trial and jury.

            Well, in Keillor’s case, there was no involvement of any of those before the business relationship was terminated

            You understand, though, that in matters of employment decisions, there is no role for a judge, trial, or jury, right?

            Or are you saying nobody should ever be fired unless criminal charges are involved. If you’re not saying that, then when should someone in someone’s employ be fired?

            Of the 40 or some people that constitutes the new red scare, only one — as far as I know — is a likely criminal case. Weinstein. Because, you know, rape.

            Louis CK’s case wasn’t employment related. It’s just that some businesses — HBO for one — didn’t want to air his productive because, well, really, is there anything more creepy that someone who invites women to watch him masturbate (bet they didn’t have that during the red scare, eh?)

            https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/arts/television/louis-ck-sexual-misconduct.html

          • Jackson Tho

            It seems like it’s ONLY those in media, entertainment and the political left who are targeted, save a few like Moore, Trump and Barton. It’s like sexual harassment never occurs in banks or construction sites or warehouses or real estate offices….

    • CapitalistRoader

      I started listening to PHC in ’78 in Chicago and religiously listened until the early-aughts, when Keillor started his ridiculous, simple-minded partisan attacks on the President Bush. I realize that Democrats paint all current Republican presidents as literally Hitler then later resurrect them as moderate, but IMHO Keillor was suffering from dementia by then so I quit listening.

      It’s a shame. Like the recent National Football League debacle, Keillor injected politics into a popular, entertainment program and ruined it.

    • VictorErimita

      The “ribbing” he gave to President Bush? It was the election of Bush that sent Keillor over the edge. I listened to and cherished PHC for well over 20 years. But after the 2000 election, Keillor let his bitterness and pettiness flow freely. No show could go by without him denigrating not just Bush, but Republicans, conservatives, anyone who deviated in any way from the Regressive orthodoxy that is his religion. Their was no light touch, no warmth, no room for honorable disagreement. No, he had to excoriate the Bad People on every show. It was petty, insulting and ultimately tiresome and pathetic. In regretfully stopped listening. A handful of times over several years I would turn in the show and listen to see if he had recovered his charm. But he never did. I left for good at least ten years ago.

      Now he’s getting a taste of his own medicine with the hysterical, juvenile whining of Nora McInerny. She reflexively pulls out the poor, persecuted female card, tarring him with a label he doesn’t deserve. Well, now you know how half the country would have felt listening to you, Garrison. But you’ll never learn that.

    • Celia Hayes

      I stopped listening and pledging about that time as well. The sour, bitter hate for ordinary Americans was really hard to take – it was really rather awful to watch it unfold; someone who had been, ostensibly, a champion of ordinary, small-town, flyover-country Americans … unveiling as someone who affected to despise them utterly, root and branch.

  • MikeB

    This is new for Keillor, getting this mich push back and criticism. Looks like he’ll go down swinging, which is his right. He can flex his literary criticisms in new directions. That may feel good in the short term but it’s not always refreshing stepping in new sh*tpiles.

  • The bigest barrier to breaking a new show on the air is getting the opportunity to do it.

    Keillor’s first broadcast would never get a chance today. I’ve written about this before.

    I question whether ANY regionally produced entertainment show can survive in the current business model without national distribution and carriage.

    I contend, also, that the audience is partly to blame for the risk-averse nature of the medium.

    https://blogs.mprnews.org/newscut/2012/06/can_public_radio_take_risks_ag/

  • JamieHX

    There seems to be no rhyme or reason to choosing which shows are put on the air. “Wits” was a terrible, totally sophomoric show. It was on the air way too long. I was very glad when Luke Burbank’s show (“Live Wire”? my memory’s shot)) was put on in that time slot instead. I thought “Live Wire” was very good, but it didn’t last. I don’t know if that was an MPR decision or if they quit making the show. Now “Ask Me Another” is on and it’s just sort of ok.

    • I can assure you there is both rhyme and reason but your point confirms what I alreaady said. No show is going to make it without the opportunity for growing pains.

      In the case of Wits, it was pretty well hidden on the broadcast schedule in slots that weren’t going to do a lot of harm.

      I wasn’t a big wits fan (it wasn’t targeting my demographic anyway) but there’s no question it was innovative in marrying comedy and music, in a live show, that integrated social media. The comedians were some of the best in the business.

      It’s a nearly impossible task, but that’s the economics of the situation. You don’t think outraged Wits fans pulled their memberships because it got canceled? Think again.

      As I wrote elsewhere, I don’t see shows getting much opportunity without national carry and clearance. That opportunity is RIDICULOUSLY short now. Car Talk took 10 years, for example. Now, you’ve got weeks or, if you’re lucky, months.

      People in the audience continue to demand that each show satisfy them individually. And if it doesn’t, it should be banished from the air and/or not given a chance. Every hour in a 168 week has to personally resonate with ME!

      This is why on commercial radio, you’re never more than a few minutes away from hearing “Freebird”.

      • JamieHX

        I was very intentional about giving Wits a chance. It never got any better. I remember laughing out loud once at something on Wits. Once.

        • Other folks liked it. some folks didn’t. It is the current nature of broadcasting that it necessarily is doomed because in this era if it doesn’t please us individually, it cannot be available to anyone else.

          That’s why you end up with safe, unimaginative, and risk-free programming.

      • Rob

        Hey! Don’t be dissing the greatest rock song ever. “Freebird” sounds even better after you’ve heard it several thousand times. ; )

    • JamieHX

      I was surprised that “The Dinner Party Download” ended yesterday. When I first heard it, I wasn’t very impressed and part of its stated premise, to help you win your next dinner party, seemed ludicrous to me. I mean, who’s looking to “win” at dinner parties? I gave it a chance, though, and it kind of grew on me. It had lots of moderately entertaining stuff on. I wonder what’s going to replace it.

      • KTFoley

        Oh, same here — I grew to like Dinner Party Download And it’s ending? That’s too bad.

        But I do enjoy Ask Me Another, and am happy that it migrated to its current slot from someplace more obscure.

      • Rob

        I was never a fan. But then, I’m not much of a dinner party guy.

    • Bob Sinclair

      Live Wire is still playing. We get shows out here on the Left Coast all the time. Check out Oregon Public Radio. LW airs on Sat @ 3 PST

    • Barbara

      Live Wire with Luke Burbank is broadcast on the MPR News channel every Saturday night at 7 PM, immediately following Chris Thile.

  • Rob

    Heard that PHC is now going to be called “Town Hall.” Can’t say the new name does much for me.

    • Where’d you hear that? PiPress?

      http://www.twincities.com/2017/12/02/a-prairie-home-companion-becomes-town-hall-chris-thile-says-live-on-show/

      I think they got it wrong.

      I’m told it’s been renamed The Show with Chris Thile.

      • Rob

        Saw it on the Guardian’s site

        • I’m pretty sure that’s wrong. It sounds like people confused ‘Welcome to Town Hall” as him saying a welcome to the show.

          He was appearing at a venue called “Town Hall”, however.

          http://thetownhall.org/

          Unless the show has permanently moved to New York, however, which seems at least possible. It hasn’t been a St. Paul show for years, even in Keillor days.

          • Rob

            Yep. I wondered the same thing when I saw the Guardian article/photo. Although “The Show” isn’t the most scintillating name to ever come down the pike.

            I do like the idea of officially moving the show’s base of operations – but to New York? Sheesh.

          • You go where the artists are.

          • Rob

            Most artists tour a lot, and hit all the major cities. Why not Chicago as a base of operations?

          • I don’t know if ther eis going to be a base of operations other than St. Paul (since that’s where the production unit is).

            But I think Thile is from the Pacific Northwest so that and the fact that it’s one of the must-play areas of the country in terms of current musicians would seem to make a great deal of sense.

        • MPR confirms AP got it wrong. That was a dumb mistake by them given the location. Seemed pretty obvious. Of course, computers are writing a lot of AP copy now.

  • eat_swim_read

    So many creepy, sexist public media men! With years-long records of harassment.
    Now John Hockenberry, with his relentless trail of email etc.
    The parade is overwhelming. My heart goes out to the victims.
    What price should NPR and/or APM pay for poor oversight, all done with tax-free nonprofit status.
    UPDATING – I should’ve included PBS & Charlie Rose’s plum slot there. Yes, we’ve heard he was a small biz of sorts unto himself (similar to G.K.?) but the end result was lots of him on PBS air.
    Interesting that PBS is not getting the kind of flak that NPR, MPR, APM etc. are. The women were ‘his’ interns and staffers, not those of PBS? Not sure but do not want to dilute things by splitting hairs.
    My bad for leaving PBS out…

    https://www.thecut.com/2017/12/public-radio-icon-john-hockenberry-accused-of-harassment.html

    • The Takeaway is produced by WNYC (and New York Times), not NPR.

      For a person who keeps talking about public radio and its financing, your lack of knowledge of public radio’s structure is utterly breathtaking.

      • eat_swim_read

        Millions of people have listened to Hockenberry on NPR stations over the years, and many others streamed shows live or accessed audio archives of his work online, and on apps.
        He was a star. Made personal appearances to rapt audiences, etc.
        His story is the NPR story – Oreskes history (and failed vet) plus Sweeney history, and Hockenberry history.
        Overwhelming. There’s freaking work account email. How emboldened is that, how entitled.
        Under NPR’s roof, and/or member stations and also other institutions like AP and NYT.
        The common thread for most of us is NPR. Ditto Keillor (yes, we know about APM and also his personal enterprise.)
        No need to split hairs.
        #Sad.

        • Public radio stations do not operate under NPR’s roof. It’s quite the opposite actually.

        • eat_swim_read

          Hockenberry was a 12-year NPR employee, starting in 1980:

          https://current.org/2017/07/takeaway-host-hockenberry-to-step-down-in-august/

          • That’s true. He started Talk of the Nation.

            The allegation against him (via theCut) was from 2014 when he was on The Takeaway, a program which is produced by WNYC, not NPR. NPR has nothing to do with the show.

            The other women who complained who said they lost their jobs, were from 2014 and they were at New York Public Radio. That’s not NPR.

        • Jackson Tho

          Newsflash: It’s not just media. It’s in every industry. We just hear about this more now since they are being targeted and in the public eye. I wouldn’t be surprised if its part of an underhanded campaign by GOPers to erode credibility of what they consider the “Fake news” media.

        • eat_swim_read

          Tom Ashbrook and now – Travis Smiley.
          More prominent public media men….

          https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/pbs-suspends-distribution-of-tavis-smiley-after-sexual-misconduct-allegations

    • At some point, you’re going to admit that your concern is neither sexual harassment nor women, right?

      Also, APM isn’t getting flack for not acting. It’s getting flack for acting immediately.

      That’s what betrays your stated concern.

  • bill reeves

    I think Garrison Keillor is a bitter old man but Nora by claiming Garrison’s rather modest defence was an attack on her as a woman is just a weakling. By the time she’s Keillor’s age she’ll be long gone. Identity is the obsession of weaklings without real ideas.

  • Steve_o

    Hey, when you are the smartest, most sophisticated and erudite person in the world, you can become a bit taken with yourself. I bet he was waving his cane too.

  • Gary F

    Will we ever find out what really happened? MPR is shoving GK down the memory hole like potato peals down the sink disposal the day before Thanksgiving. His offense is nothing in the same league as Lauer or even Franken. Is there something else we should know?

    • On the one hand you want details you acknowledge you don’t have.

      Then you make a declarative judgement about what happened even though you previously said you don’t know.

      I don’t suppose you see the flaw with your process.

      Garbage in. Garbage out.

      • Jackson Tho

        I think he meant it seems not to be in the same league. That’s why it would be good to actually know.

    • buddygonzo

      Do not put potato peels in the disposal. They will clog it up. I know.

  • buddygonzo

    Ka-nock ka-nock!
    Who’s there?
    Not you!

  • Steve R

    I am not defending Keillor in any way but for McInerny to reflexively to claim he attacked her because of her gender is disingenuous to say the least. When a man cannot criticize a woman on the context of the matter without her claiming it is gender specific is foolish on her part. The merits of the argument cannot be levied when gender discrimination is used as a counter attack.

    • ChuckFinley

      There seems to be a lot of this sort of thing these days. A woman attacks a man pretty viciously in print and when the man replies in kind, she pulls out the “How dare you say such things about a woman.” defence.

      Oh, well. It would be a shame if all those feminist studies courses that she will be paying loans on for the next 20 years went to waste.

  • RichardAubrey

    Gave up on PHC when, after not too long, it was clear GK was mocking the ordinary folks of Lake Wobegon, and inviting his audience to feel as superior as he did. Neither he nor his audience actually qualified as superior to the fictional population of LW.

    • RBHolb

      I never understood why people thought of PHC as a kind of gentle nostalgia. It was the upper-middle class urbanite’s patronizing view of what life in a small town must be like.

  • roadgeek

    Love to see liberals eat their own. Even Keillor, who I’ve enjoyed for years.

    • RBHolb

      Do you also enjoy Jerry Springer? I’m told he has some good fights on his show.

    • Jackson Tho

      Well the Grand Old Perverts in the GOP also eat their own, I hear. Ones like Rep. Goodman and Rep. Hastert…

  • Carey J

    Keillor should go jump in Lake Woebegon.

  • BillR

    Arthur Godfrey, who was just before my time, was a similar figure, and met a similar end (if for slightly different reasons). Ultimately, hubris, plain and simple.

    • Jackson Tho

      “The main thing to do is to know when to die. Prolonged life has ruined more men than it ever made.” – Will Rogers

  • Barbara

    Personally, I think it is more due to subscription radio, aka Sirius XM, than the internet “making pretty much all music free.”

    • John

      I suspect Sirius XM is also going the way of the dinosaur.

      Why would I pay for something that I can realistically only listen in one car, when I can use my phone and stream everything?

      • I bought Sirius/XM with the new car and I can’t live without it. You can listen to it in other places besides your car; you can stream just with everything else. Where else can I get my out-of-market baseball, and football team’s play by plays and blues, and outlaw country, or Steve Earle’s show, or Little Steven’s Garage, and deep tracks AC?

        Not on commercial or — frankly — public radio.

        • John

          I stream public radio in my car. For free (well . . . it could be if I wanted it to be).

          Google music, Apple Music, Amazon music, all the BBC stations, spotify, pandora, etc. There’s no shortage of places to get music/news without having to cough up whatever Sirius charges.

          Granted, I’m not a sports guy, so there’s one reason some folks may pay. Ditto if you really like any other really specific thing (political talk radio maybe?).

          As I’ve said before – content is king. If you’ve got a way to deliver content that people find valuable at a price point they are willing to pay, you will win. Sometimes that price is a monthly subscription, and sometimes it’s sitting through tons of awful advertising.

          For me, and I think for a lot of younger folks, Sirius/XM doesn’t provide value for the cost. But, I’m almost exclusively music driven in my listening, so my viewpoint is likely skewed by the plethora of ways to do that via my phone.

          • One of the things I love about Sirius is Deep Tracks channel. Earl Bailey is a tremendous announcer with that old school FM voice and a wealth of information. It’s like I’m 25 again. One thing public radio isn’t any good at is making me 25 again. (g)

            I wouldn’t pay the market rate for it but nobody in their right mind does. About $100 a year.

  • harriet

    ah Kellior, who wrote in all his Christian love and fellowship:

    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2009-12-16/news/bal-op.keillor16dec16_1_silent-night-unitarian-christmas

    ” If you don’t believe Jesus was God, OK, go write your own damn “Silent Night” and leave ours alone. This is spiritual piracy and cultural elitism, and we Christians have stood for it long enough. And all those lousy holiday songs by Jewish guys that trash up the malls every year, Rudolph and the chestnuts and the rest of that dreck. Did one of our guys write “Grab your loafers, come along if you wanna, and we’ll blow that shofar for Rosh Hashanah”? No, we didn’t.

    Christmas is a Christian holiday – if you’re not in the club, then buzz off. Celebrate Yule instead or dance around in druid robes for the solstice. Go light a big log, go wassailing and falalaing until you fall down, eat figgy pudding until you puke, but don’t mess with the Messiah…

    • Jackson Tho

      He’s sarcastic and plays roles in his shows. A lot can be misunderstood, I get that.

      • harriet

        What is being misunderstood here?

  • FlyoverGuy

    GK is a very talented man, a gifted storyteller.

    But he is also an angry, bitter old bigot, contemptuous of people who think differently.

    I hate to admit it, but I was glad when GK got his comeuppance from the sexual harassment charge.

    But the column and tweets from Nora McInerny are so sanctimonious, hypocritical and juvenile that she almost has returned my sympathies to GK.

    • Jackson Tho

      I’ve read some quotes that some consider bigoted and don’t quite see him as a bigot – tho he certainly has an ego. Was he playing a character when he says them? I guess this one could be – “A girl in a bikini is like having a loaded gun on your coffee table- There’s nothing wrong with them, but it’s hard to stop thinking about.”

  • Jackson Tho

    Goodreads lists some interesting past quotes by Keillor that lend new meaning now. For instance: “I believe in looking reality straight in the eye and denying it.” Better read them before Goodreads does an MPR and erases them.
    https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/2014.Garrison_Keillor