Cub Scout gets tossed for daring to ask pol a tough question

As someone who was also kicked out of Cub Scouts (apparently I didn’t take the threat of my peers in the Soviet Union seriously), I feel you, Ames Mayfield.

The 11-year-old was tossed from the den after its trip to see Colorado GOP state Sen. Vicki Marble, where young Ames asked, “Why on earth would you want somebody who beats their wife to have access to a gun?”

Five days later, Ames’ mother was invited to a meeting with the leader of the Cub Scout pack, the New York Times says.

“He let me know in so many words that the den leader was upset about the topic of gun control,” Ms. Mayfield said in an interview on Saturday. “It was too politically charged.”

“He communicated that my son was no longer welcome back to the den,” she said.

Ames’ has moved to another pack.

In an editorial, the Denver Post opines that this speaking-truth-to-power thing is an admirable quality.

One thing at least is clear. For such a young person, Ames’ desire to probe for answers to controversial issues is admirable. His research into questions about gun control, race and immigration reform is laudable as well.

We think he’s got a bright future, and hope he learns from this more than he suffers. Those willing to stand up and ask tough questions in these divisive times face incredible pushback, but the questions are worth asking nonetheless.

We stand with Ames Mayfield on this one, and hope he’s able to find a new home with the Scouts.

  • The Cub pack leader’s attitude is only slightly less revolting to me than are the people who want to give Trump a pass “because he was elected President and we must respect the office.”

    Gotta give Ames props for how well he can express himself as an 11-year old. Here’s his entire question:

    “I was shocked that you co-sponsored a bill to allow domestic violence
    offenders to continue to own a gun. Why on earth would you want somebody who beats their wife to have access to a gun? … There is something wrong in our country where Republicans believe it’s a right to own a gun but a privilege to have health care.
    None of that makes sense to me.”

    • That’s one hell of a question and needs to be asked by everyone.

      • fromthesidelines21

        It would be nice to see a thoughtful answer to the question as well. Not sure the state senator provided one but I’d love to hear it.

  • Al

    …and I would want to enroll my daughters in Boy Scouts because why?

    • lusophone

      So she could make friendships with kids like Ames.

      • Al

        Thankfully, Boy Scouts doesn’t have the monopoly on the Ames’s of the world. We’ll look elsewhere.

        • Joseph

          It wasn’t the Boy Scouts who kicked him out, remember. It was an upset Parent in the same Den (same small unit made up of kids the same age – 11 years old) who threw a hissy-fit and thought it fit to banish the boy for daring to ask such a question. The Pack leader (local unit, based at a school/church made up of 4-5 Dens, equal to a Troop in Boy Scouts) wanted to keep the boy in the same pack, just in a different Den so as to placate said Parent and allow the boy to stay near his friends.

          • Al

            If it were one instance, with one scout, we could chalk it up to parents.

            Scout history is riddled with scouts being asked to leave for their beliefs (or perceived lack thereof), their race, their sexual orientation, their gender, or (ahem) not taking the Soviets seriously enough. That’s a pattern, and one that I don’t want to be part of.

          • Joseph

            In this case, that’s what it was- one parent who got upset over one boy’s valid question.

            The rest of that history is well known, and thankfully in the past. The BSA has made great strides since then and become much more progressive and generally open (the occasional parent volunteer who can’t handle a sacred cow being questioned not-withstanding). As an analogy, the USA as a country is riddled with terrible things in its past — that doesn’t mean you don’t want to be part of America now, right?

        • lusophone

          Fair enough.

    • Barton

      because the Boy Scouts want your money and don’t want the Girl Scouts to have it.

  • KTN

    I made the mistake of reading the cesspool of comments about this story on another site. The overriding theme of the cretins commenting were that no 11 year old could have written that question – his mother obviously wrote the words (libtard that she is)
    .
    I wonder if this 11 year old had help too.
    https://www.youngscientistlab.com/entry/623

    Good to see action in such a young person – kudo’s to him, and his family for teaching him how to be a good citizen.

    • A lot of people apparently have stupid 11-year-olds.

      • rosswilliams

        Actually I think its silly to pretend an 11 year old was NOT mimicking something he heard. That is what 11 year old kids do. Apparently the den mother was also upset about the kid’s mother posting a video of the confrontation on Facebook. But the more details you add, the less the story provides a fix for daily outrage about meaningless events.

        I thought the whole purpose of the Boy Scouts was to make kids behave the way the scout leaders want them to and to kick them out when they don’t. I think the only way I avoided that fate was my mother being the den mother.

        • // I thought the whole purpose of the Boy Scouts was to make kids behave the way the scout leaders want them to and to kick them out when they don’t

          “The mission of the Boy Scouts of America is to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices over their lifetimes by instilling in them the values of the Scout Oath and Law.”

          Scout Oath
          On my honor I will do my best
          To do my duty to God and my country
          and to obey the Scout Law;
          To help other people at all times;
          To keep myself physically strong,
          mentally awake, and morally straight.

          • Joseph

            Scout Law:
            A Scout is; trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent.

        • @rosswilliams: My Boy Scout experience, all 4+ years of it, certainly didn’t involve any brainwashing of the kind you suggest. And I was a Scout during the period when the Vietnam War was both still politically popular (’65-’67) and when it began to become politically unpopular (’68-’70).

          • I made a nice holder to hold napkins in for my grandmother. To this day, I’m convinced it forever changed how I vote on Election Day.

          • I made my napkin holder in woodshop class in junior high. It traveled the world with my parents. All I’ve got left from Boy Scouts is a scar on my thumb, where my knife slipped while attempting to whittle a block of wood into a fishing lure. The fish, obviously, had the last laugh.

          • rosswilliams

            @nood@noodleman:disqus

            You seem to have an active imagination if you equate making kids behave with “brainwashing.” But I suppose teaching duty and obedience is some form of brainwashing. Maybe the Scouts gave up on those in the late 60’s. What I remember is some fairly rigid beliefs about what kind of behavior was acceptable.Sort of like the den mother in this story.

    • RBHolb

      This is a classic “whose ox is being gored?” situation. What if the 11 year old had asked what he could do to help President Trump reclaim America from the lying media and the evil liberals?

      • KTN

        I would have said the kids parents helped him write the question (ignorant racists they are).
        But the kid didn’t ask that did he.
        Maybe sticking to reality would help, not conjecture over a hypothetical.

        • RBHolb

          I meant: Would the cretins in that cesspool where you read the comments have had the same reaction if my counterfactual had actually happened?

          • BJ

            If kangaroos had no tails, they would topple over.

            cretins in cesspools of comments have many reactions to just about any news story – left, right, up, down – they will claim just about anything is decay.

    • Jeff C.

      “I made the mistake of reading the cesspool of comments about this story on another site…”

      I know I’m preaching to the choir here, but this is one of the big reasons why I love Newscut. I read this story and then right away wanted to see what the Newscut commenters had to say, knowing that there’d be thoughtful and intelligent discussion. Thanks for your work, Bob!

  • Gary F

    The bill wasn’t to written with specific wording of domestic violence offenders in it. It was a bill that allowed constitutional carry for all Colorado citizens. Same law that is in affect today in AZ, AK, KS, ME, MS, MO, NH ND and Vermont. All these states seem to be doing just fine with it.

    But it sure is fun twisting something and making a Republican look bad. It sure is fun to get the base all riled up. Another shiny object to direct attention away from other news items.

    • fromthesidelines21

      Would you oppose adding specific language denying domestic convicted domestic abusers from owning a firearm?

      • Gary F

        I’d have to check the Colorado carry bill as it stands now. That is the standard for the proposed bill in question. It may already have that stipulation.

        Yes, if it actually contained a due process procedures for taking it away and a possibility of getting it back. No specific due process, then no. You do know that these laws would only pertain to this person if he/she actually wanted to follow the law.

        • fromthesidelines21

          Yes, people can choose to not follow the (any) law. That doesn’t mean we as a society shouldn’t try to make it harder for violent people to access dangerous tools.

          • BJ

            And be able to make punishment harsher for those that have really went out of there way to do so.

          • fromthesidelines21

            And those who assist them.

        • Gary F

          Just sayin’ . You can’t take Constitutional rights away without due process. So, you would be for taking away Constitution rights without due process? I’m not.

          But the point I’m trying to make is no one really researched what the details of the bill that was proposed. Lets not let the details get in the way of a good outrage “gotcha” moment.

          I’m waiting on the establish media to start reporting on Uranium One and Robert Mueller’s part in this. Until then, keep getting distracted by shiny objects.

          • Laurie K.

            I am thinking that is you who did not do your research. Based on the reports of other media sources, Ames’ question was in response to Ms. Marble’s 2013 vote against a bill that sought to bar convicted domestic abusers from owning guns. But it sure is fun twisting something and making an 11 year old look bad.

          • RBHolb

            “I’m waiting on the establish media to start reporting on Uranium One and Robert Mueller’s part in this.”

            Do you mean the lawful transfer of a sample of confiscated uranium for forensic testing? A quick search shows that the “establish media” is reporting on this, and there isn’t much there of concern.

            Apart from the facts that there is nothing there and that your repetition of new talking points from the right-wing media is just a little too transparent, your attempt at deflection gets a C- for its raging irrelevance to this discussion.

          • fromthesidelines21

            Did someone suggest taking Constitutional rights away without due process?

          • Jack Ungerleider

            So your implying, if the reports by others in this thread are correct, that justice system in Colorado does not provide sufficient due process. If in fact the vote was against a bill to limit the rights of convicted felons, then there’s your due process.

    • RBHolb

      “It sure is fun to get the base all riled up.” Right. Nothing gets certain types riled up more than suggesting it may not be appropriate for everyone to be able to have access to firearms.

    • Laurie K.

      Wasn’t little Ames’ question to Ms. Marble in response to her 2013 vote against a bill that sought to bar convicted domestic abusers from owning guns?

    • MikeB

      Asking questions of elected representatives is so……..what are the words I’m looking for?

    • Every day I am in wonder at the victimhood complex that has infested the “party of personal responsibility.” I would pity them if they weren’t constantly launching cynical attacks on things like democracy, equality, and the general health and wellbeing of most Americans.

    • Rob

      Just to be clear, you’re opposed to gun regulations wherein people convicted of domestic violence are denied the right to buy and possess guns?

  • Veronica

    The NRA has used their relationship with Boy Scouts of America since almost the beginning as a way to promote gun culture to boys. https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2010/11/19/nra-bsa-100-years-of-partnership/

    You could say it has value, but given the current state of the NRA, I don’t know if the partnership is a good one.

  • Mike

    Perhaps even journalists who cover various parts of our government will be inspired to ask similar questions, and adopt an adversarial tone with respect to officials. It’s asking a lot of them, I know, but we can always hope!

  • Mike

    Perhaps journalists who cover various parts of our government will be inspired to ask similar questions, and adopt an adversarial tone with respect to officials. It’s asking a lot of them, I know, but we can always hope!

    • BJ

      >journalists who cover various parts of our government

      Many do. Most then get listed as being on one side or the other and then they lose reader/viewers/advertisers.

      We then wonder why objective journalists don’t ask certain questions.

      • Mike

        Some do, although a marked exception are those who cover the military and national security issues. That group mostly rewrites government press releases, and provides anonymity for officials to repeat trite platitudes about how our strategy of perpetual war is working in the long term.

  • Chris

    Personally, I am more concerned with the rights of people to ask questions of elected officials than I am with expanding the rights of gun owners.

    I am also more concerned with the rights of people who want to go to concerts, movies, and kindergarten than I am with the rights of gun owners.

    • theoacme

      Which is why all politicians that refuse to have town halls (or some similar such events) on a very regular basis, should be forever banned from holding any political office or having any political rights except for the right to vote and the First Amendment right to comment on the political issues of the day (bye-bye, Erik Paulsen, “my” Congresscritter!)

  • Joseph

    Wait, Bob — you got kicked out of Cub Scouts for something with communism?? What happened? (Were you busted for wearing a hat with a hammer/cycle?) Sounds like a story there!
    – An Eagle Scout

    • I think I’ve told it here before. We were having some sort of playtimey type thing involving brooms. One Cub would face on direction, the other facing the other on the same broom…and they’d race down the road (my den mother was on a rural farm).

      My twin brother and I didn’t take it real seriously and she kind of went off… spewing something about how we were supposed to keep up with Soviet kids, which we found even more hilarious.

      That night she called my mother and kicked us out of her den.

      • Mike

        These Young Pioneers look like a dangerous bunch. That den mother was just trying to protect us all!!!

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8LnlzQyVJg

        • All hail Rock ‘n roll, and what it did to weaken the resolve of those Young Pioneers! 😉

          https://youtu.be/6DxYoyZpgvY

          • Mike

            I’ve always thought that it was the lack of jeans and the official suppression of rock music that really brought down the USSR.

            The dictatorship of the proletariat was no match for the Beatles and the Rolling Stones. Capitalism is nothing if not clever.