NRA to media: ‘You do more harm to the country with a keyboard than NRA members with guns’

The National Rifle Association today doubled down on its “clenched fist of truth campaign” with a video aimed at the Washington Post and media outlets that called its previous video “dark”.

The NRA’s Grant Stinchfield, a conservative talk show host, said the Washington Post does “more damage to our country with a keyboard than every NRA member combined has ever done with a firearm.”

On Last Friday, organizers of the Women’s March on Washington protested outside NRA headquarters, then marched to the Department of Justice in DC, claiming the NRA ad campaign endorses violence.

  • Jerry

    Nope, not fascist at all.

    And surprise, suprise, the video is paid for by Ruger, because the NRA is pretty much the advertising arm of the gun industry.

  • Gary F

    The march was last Friday. The protest drew 300-400 “protesters” and about 100 made the march, Not sure if they made the 18 mile walk, it was 95F out that day.

    Well said. Freedom is a good thing.

  • Blasko

    My father is a gun owner and was a fairly proud NRA member for years. He told me that the NRA used to exist to promote gun safety, and did it very well. Now, he told me he’s sickened by the fact that they’ve become a lobbying group with an extremist right-wing agenda. I wonder if others of his generation (boomers) feel the same.

    • kevins

      I was a member also, but The NRA has abandoned any pretense of civility and vision of a healthy society.

    • jon

      My father renounced his lifetime NRA membership some time in the mid to late 90’s because the NRA stopped representing him. They started representing weapons manufacturers instead of the buyers…

      They started pushing fear instead of responsibility.
      They started lobbying for the weapons manufactures instead of the gun owners.

      Plenty of evidence to support this…
      Most NRA members want universal background checks.
      Most support not allowing those on the terror watch list to purchase a gun.
      Most support a mandate to report a stolen gun.
      Most support support restriction on concealed carry permits (safety courses, and no violent criminal record type stuff).
      The NRA opposes these same things.

      The NRA doesn’t listen to it’s members, and it’s members continue to be members regardless. There is a major disconnect between the NRA and gun owners, and only something like 5-10% of gun owners are NRA members, but anyone who purchased a firearm has likely funneled money into the NRA through the weapons manufacturers (who, of course, have the gun buying public’s interests in mind, not their own interest on the bottom line of their finance reports.)

      The NRA is large enough that no other lobbying organization can really compete with them on gun rights, and with their rating of politicians and people supporting “gun rights” in general (because the alternative is taking the guns away completely! according to the NRA) they still vote for candidates with a high rating from the NRA (which only really means that the NRA thinks they can keep them bought off, at least in regards to guns).

      People talk about voting against your own interests, the NRA is the perfect example of how to get people to do it… fear of an extreme (taking our guns away!), propaganda saying all slopes are slippery (trigger locks are the first step towards fascism), and only push the general higher ideals that everyone in your community supports (“right to bear arms” in this case) as getting into the details only serves to make people disagree with you.
      Trump followed a similar campaign model… no details only lofty promises.
      The GOP on healthcare the same thing, no details just “Repeal, and replace” touted over and over again, and we are seeing the details now and no one likes them.

  • Does anyone on the left own a gun in the US?

    • Jerry

      You’d be suprised

    • Gary F

      I know many. They live in the inner city. Some women, some minority, all very DFL. Broke bread last night with my friend’s brothers, all white, under 40, two married, one with kids, all living in South Minneapolis, all have a locked and loaded pistol at home. They tell me it’s the neighborhood.

      • Jerry

        I just know quite a few liberals who like to take a deer or pheasant in the fall. Admittedly, some use a bow.

        • Joseph

          Bow hunting pheasant adds some challenge to the hunt 😉

      • Postal Customer

        Any indication what they plan to do with that locked and loaded pistol?

        • Gary F

          Protect themselves during a home invasion. Doesn’t mean they have to fire it.

          • In which neighborhood do your pistol-packing friends live?

            I certainly hope they are responsible with those loaded pistols, especially the ones with children.

          • Gary F

            yes, fingerprint lock pistol safe securely fastened to a permanent structure.

          • Excellent.

            Which neighborhood?

            I can’t think of any with a rash of home invasions, even in the “bad” parts of Minneapolis.

    • I used to, but don’t hunt or do police work anymore. BTW, I quit the NRA over the same issues other have mentioned here.

    • Greg W

      I’m on the political left and I own a rifle for deer hunting. I’m no longer a member of the NRA and never plan to be. I’m sure I probably got some sort of “gift” membership after completing a firearms safety course when I was about 11. I hope that lapsed. All I know is I don’t get their creepy propaganda mailed to me any more.

      • So, given the NRA’s assault on the “left”, their message seems to be “you’re not wanted in our organization.” That essentially makes it less of a gun organization and more of a GOP subsidiary. I’m just curious whether what — apparently — few non -right members are feeling particularly welcomed by the group under this marketing strategy.

        • Greg W

          This was discussed during one of our great meetings of the minds at the hunting cabin. I think a lot of “left” hunters feel alienated by the NRA and their activities.
          I think part of the exhaustion we felt, too, was the constant need to explain to non-hunters that NRA membership and hunting are not mutually exclusive.

    • >>Does anyone on the left own a gun in the US?<<

      Yes.

      /FFL holder
      //Army vet.
      ///Would be considered "left of center" on most issues

      • Laurie K.

        Absolutely. I work with a group of mainly “left” leaning professionals, at least half of this group owns a firearm.

      • Joseph

        I always love your comments btw — you and I are pretty similar in our views.

        (What, me worry? 😉 )

    • X.A. Smith

      Yes.

    • Joseph

      Hi Bob, progressive millennial here. Own a deer rifle, and share 2 shotguns and a 100+ yr old pistol (that still works great) with brother/dad. We often go shooting at a local range near our cabin (Manhattan Beach Gun Club). All three of us are Eagle Scouts, deer hunters, and progressives. None of us are NRA members, nor do any of us feel the NRA speaks to our concerns (as it’s modern form as a surrogate for the GOP and the firearms industry, no longer for sportsman concerned with simply encouraging others to take up hunting or learn firearm safety). We support back-ground checks, safe gun use and ownership, and the idea that no-one needs a machine gun or assault-rifle-style firearm for any legitimate use (unless the Russians ‘Red-Dawn’ us).

  • John O.

    I’m figuring this won’t ever be fully settled until the end of the Second American Civil War. I just pray I don’t live long enough to see it.

  • Gary F

    The NRA, right in line behind Trump for filling the role of Emmanuel Goldstein.

    • Greg W

      How can Trump be an enemy of the state when he is the state?

      • AmiSchwab

        he is an enemy of mankind

  • >>Washington Post does “more damage to our country with a keyboard than every NRA member combined has ever done with a firearm.”<<

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/37b06906e5e6e45a2e91113ae901498e3c800db560209214f13fce52befe6285.gif

    • jon

      That looks like a microsoft ergonomic keyboard… Not a terrible choice for a violent interaction, Microsoft hardware is usually built fairly solid and the ergonomic boards have a bit more mass behind them then a standard keyboard…
      BUT,
      If you really want to be able to commit manslaughter rather than just aggravated assault you need to get an old IBM model M keyboard… That’s something you can beat some one to death with and then plug it back in and keep on typing… or use it to block bullets that the police might fire at you as you try to make your escape.

      The last thing you want is one of the cheap dell keyboards… those things are useless in a fight.

  • A lot of the NRA ads aren’t actually about gun rights. It’s about a political association of people who advocate tighter restrictions on guns. But the two aren’t the same thing. You can be, for example, against further restrictions on guns, and be for the principles of Black Lives Matter, or net neutrality or any of dozens of other stands represented by the “left”. But the NRA campaign puts everyone in the same boat.

    The fact that all of the people being used are people who make their living as conservative talk shows hosts seems to confirm that this is more anti-liberal — and ALL associated political issues encompassed by the label — than it is about pro guns.

  • Paul

    This whole left vs. right thing is tiresome.

  • The “pen” is mightier than the “sword”? 😉

    “Watch in this video as Quebec artist Éric Nado disassembles antique and vintage typewriters and transforms them into machine gun sculptures.”

    http://boingboing.net/2017/07/18/typewriter-guns.html

  • Joseph

    Hi Jim, thanks for your followup question.

    The reason I am opposed to assault-rifle style firearms is due to the history and primary purpose of those guns; which is the taking of human life. (As they were originally developed for the military to replace the venerable M-1). While you can use any fire-arm for hunting or target shooting (including a bazooka or even a tank!), certain guns are really only meant to be used for one purpose — shooting and killing other people. Especially when they can use a large clip (which I define as over 10 shots), shoot semi-automatically, or be easily converted to 3-round burst or even full-auto (directions are readily found on the internet)….as well as be easily equipped with such attachments as laser sights and silencer/suppressors due to their rail attachment and configuration abilities… things no self respecting hunter actually needs (a normal scope will do, and if you are hunting correctly, you are already quiet and don’t need a ‘silencer’. Those attachments are really only ‘useful’ in the military setting).

    While I do realize more people are killed with pistols, much of that is due to 1) lack of firearm training 2) lack of safe fire-arm practices in use of the gun and 3) poor storage of loaded weaponry where anyone, including children, can access them. The thing in my mind that separates a pistol from assault-rifle is the amount of rounds carried in a clip, the rate of fire, and the accuracy of the fire — all of which the assault rifle is ‘superior’ in its capabilities, compared to a pistol.

    I think the only weapons that should be legal should be able to only carry 10 rounds or less, and require some form of bio-mechanical action to chamber rounds (or reload once the chamber is emptied). For example, bolt actions, lever actions, pump actions, slide-actions and snap-actions are all good in my book. Any gun with such a bio-mechanical action can still be used for evil actions, yes; but the amount of death and damage done would be greatly reduced in the event of most mass shootings (assuming the shooter is not a trained military/police veteran and even then, is not an expert in rapid reloading). And while I do believe people should be allowed to have pistols, I do think there needs to be stronger, training and liscensure (as is more common in Europe, such as Switzerland or the Czech Republic, or Australia [not Europe, I know]). I also believe there is no need for either open carry or conceal and carry. Heck, Australia, which has a wide and interesting variety of options to kill you just from the natural flora and fauna, has deemed such weapon carrying as unnecessary, dangerous and thus illegal.

    Based on the public marketing the NRA does, and the steadfast refusal to listen to 90% of law abiding firearm owners (and majority of everyday NRA members!) who are in favor of improved back-ground checks, training and licensing requirements for gun owners and who don’t buy the slippery slope argument regarding the second amendment, I still fail to see how the NRA speaks to the concerns of my rights.
    (Not to mention if one looks at the actual history of that right, and understands the reasoning behind the words “well regulated” in the 2nd Amend….when militia members were required to own the same make and model guns (as chosen by their state or town) for easy repair of weapons and so everyone could train and know how to properly use the same weapon. The second amendment was also written to allow the government to quickly respond to possible invasion (a strong possibility at the time in history) by raising militias to defend the homeland, since raising a full army takes time and is even more difficult to do effectively when at war. In the modern era, the militias have become more professionalized and kept standing, becoming the modern National Guard kept by each state (which, are under local state control, unless Federalized for emergency needs by the Pentagon.)

    Furthermore, if the government did try to suspend the constitution, the second amendment would also be suspended — not to mention rebelling against the government with even civilian owned AR-15’s would be sorta pointless when the military has advanced armor, full on .50 cal and BAR machine guns, tanks, other armored vehicles, fighter-jets, bombers and Destroyers, Missile Cruisers and ICBM/Cruise Missile submarines. My point being it would be rather useless (and generally suicidal and foolish) to take up arms in direct combat if the US switched to a dictatorship or UN-Illuminati-Alien-Lizardman-One-World-Order-Alex-Jones-Wet-Dream sorta thing. But that’s just my view and logic talking.

    (Further reading on the subject of the history of the 2nd Amendment, and the NRA, from reputable sources: –
    https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/amendments/amendment-ii
    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/nra-guns-second-amendment-106856 )

    And the century old pistol is a wonderful gun! Although as it is a snub nosed revolver, so it is horrendously inaccurate. We’ve shot it standing a foot from a paper target, aimed it dead-on at the bulls-eye (looking down the barrel with the iron-sights even), and the shot barely made the target, and no where near the bulls-eye. Its use is more for either close in combat or, more likely, scaring away thieves/trespassers. We aren’t sure on the age but are guessing its over 100 years old, since my grandpa got the gun when he was 15 in 1948 from his old, cranky, sorta crazy and (already at that time) retired neighbor, who was a former security guard at a local factory. Still fun to shoot though, and have as a family heirloom.