Minneapolis volleyball players are latest to ‘take a knee’

The girls on the volleyball team at Minneapolis South were in a united state last night when the National Anthem was played.

Shaun King, the New York Daily news columnist, tweeted the photo. Why the faces are blurred is anyone’s guess.

“It’s a peaceful protest, they were actually, not harming anyone. They decided to do that on their own, so we value that and want to make sure they have the opportunity to do that within our school system,” Michael Walker, head the the Office of Black Male Student Achievement in the Minneapolis Public Schools, told KARE.

It’s a fair bet that few of the players, if any, read David Brooks, the New York Times columnist. It’s a fair bet that few high school kids anywhere do.

Nonetheless, Brooks aimed his column today at his high school readers who are thinking of joining the protests.

Sitting out the anthem takes place in the context of looming post-nationalism. When we sing the national anthem, we’re not commenting on the state of America. We’re fortifying our foundational creed. We’re expressing gratitude for our ancestors and what they left us. We’re expressing commitment to the nation’s ideals, which we have not yet fulfilled.

If we don’t transmit that creed through shared displays of reverence we will have lost the idea system that has always motivated reform. We will lose the sense that we’re all in this together. We’ll lose the sense of shared loyalty to ideas bigger and more transcendent than our own short lives.

If these common rituals are insulted, other people won’t be motivated to right your injustices because they’ll be less likely to feel that you are part of their story. People will become strangers to one another and will interact in cold instrumentalist terms.

That second to last sentence is the most fascinating one. To right an injustice, you have to be part of someone else’s story, Brooks says.

That’s increasingly difficult when your injustice isn’t theirs.

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  • Jack Ungerleider

    I would argue with Mr. Brooks on the concept of shared experience and fortifying the foundational creed. This act of taking a knee during the national anthem by athletes has been defined. Those who stay informed know what the meaning is at this point. It has become equivalent to the sit-in that spanned several movements in the 60’s from civil rights to the anti-war movement to general counter-culture protests. (If I am remembering my history incorrectly please feel free to correct my mistakes.) Eventually society came to understand what the protesters were doing and they would then react based on whether they supported the protest or not. The same is true in this situation. Will they lose support for their cause by separating themselves from the “traditional action” of standing for the National Anthem? Probably not from people inclined to support them.

    Mr. Brooks implies in the quoted statement that our foundational creed is a conservative, behave yourself creed. A study of the mid to late 18th century and the people involved in removing the American colonies from the British Empire shows that those people were radicals, some more than others, but in the context of British society of the time, they were all radicals.

    • Mike Worcester

      If indeed the colonists followed Mr. Brooks’s advice, we would still be singing God Save the Queen, spending the pound, and spelling our words with extraneous letters (primarily a ‘u’), and having tea at 3:00 p.m. daily. It’s good perhaps they did not feel the need to be so conformist 🙂

      • astralislux

        Just like Canadians. And no one likes Canada.

        • Rob

          Wha’choo talkin’ ’bout? Vancouver is awesome! : )

  • rallysocks

    >>We will lose the sense that we’re all in this together.<<

    Just when I think David Brooks can't get any David Brooksier, he proves me wrong.

  • Mike

    Nationalistic rituals have historically been used as a club with which to beat people who don’t conform to whatever the rulers want us to believe or do at any given moment. The idealistic glow that Brooks wants to bestow upon these rituals was compromised long ago (if it ever existed at all), and more recently in the frenzy of exhibitionistic “patriotism” that has ensued since 9/11.

    As a civil libertarian, I find it deeply gratifying that various segments of our society – from wealthy pro players to high school kids – are finally rebelling against the scam that these rituals have become. Unfortunately, pledging allegiance and singing the anthem these days effectively means endorsement of our government’s policy of perpetual warfare, especially when you consider how financially intertwined are the Pentagon and pro sports teams. They have become just another commercial for the military-industrial complex, and demand an almost totalitarian display of conformity.

    As Edward Snowden says, “Courage is contagious.”

    • jon

      I don’t think it ever did exist at all… “under god” was a jab at communists during the cold war… the anthem itself was pulled into popularity during WWI and the patriotism that followed with that…
      The pledge of allegiance was likely an offshoot of the civil war and was adapted to fight communism when they added “under god” to it…

      Even My personal favorite “e pluribus unum” probably started as a bit of a jab against states rights in the early years of the federal government.

      All just driving a point home about the state of affairs at the time…

  • KTN

    I disagree with Brooks on all the values we will supposedly lose by taking a knee while the Anthem is being played. His argument is predicated that all these young women, the football player, and anyone else who decides to sit out is planning on doing it for the rest of their lives. Who knows, they might stand at the next game.
    The point is, our society is richer because these young women are thinking about the issue, and not merely reflexively reciting words they at the moment, do not believe.

  • Will

    I have to agree with Mr. Brooks here, we should have some respect for certain things in our society…sure it’s kind of silly that we stand for the National Anthem at sporting events but at the same time most of us view it as sign of respect for our country, our military and those who have died before & worked hard to make to create what we have today. I understand it’s not perfect and I understand it’s not as good as it could be but I personally don’t think kneeling during the National Anthem does anything more than make that moment about you instead of those who have served and died for our country. Make your statement about society, that’s just fine…doing it during the National Anthem can and will be viewed as disrespecting our country by a large portion of society.

    • I recommend more respect for the First Amendment would be a possibility of something the nation could rally around.

      • Will

        Here it is:

        “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

        I believe it says “Congress shall make no law…” there’s nothing about private citizens making a judgement call about when and how things should be respected…burning a flag might send a message but many of us would see it as disrespectful. This is in the same vein…you’re more than free to express your opinion but if people see it as disrespectful they’re allowed to speak their mind as well.

        • Them: “End systemic racism.”
          You: “Stop hurting our feelings”

          • Will

            That’s a bit harsh, I’m all for ending systematic racism. I would argue we have a handful of things that bring us together as Americans, the flag, the National Anthem, the pledge of allegiance, the US Constitution (reading and actually understanding it); there are but a handful of those things remaining. One group/movement attempting to co-opt even just one of those handful of things that bring us together as Americans to make a “statement” will separate us even further than we are separated today…we used to watch the same newscasters, TV shows, radio, etc…we don’t really have those connections as a whole anymore. For many of us kneeling during the National Anthem is similar to burning the American flag over the issue of racism, it’s disrespectful to America and those handful of things that keep us connected as Americans. Go ahead, make your statement, most Americans prefer that statement to not be made during the National Anthem, the 1st Amendment means you will not be punished by the government for doing that but your employer and private citizens can disagree with your choice. I’d personally like to see players sit on the bench and not accept money from this apparently racist society that offered them the opportunity to become millionaires, kneeling during the National Anthem is free…put your money where your mouth is. Also, making this statement makes the conversation about those individuals choosing to do this rather than about any statement/issue they want to actually talk about.

          • The employers of athletes are hardly doing athletes a favor. They’ve gotten filthy rich because of them.

  • Khatti

    If this sort of thing truly offends you sit down, shut-up, and wait for it to go away. the longer you whine the longer you will prolong this.

  • Gary F

    Sure, let them make a statement. But my reply is still the same, ” now what are you going to do next?”. These political statements being made are kinda on the equivalent of hashtag outrage or hashtag advocacy that is so popular today. Roll up your sleeves and do something about it. Take it to the streets. One on one, one family at a time, one school at a time, one neighborhood at a time. I ask these folks just who are you expecting to do it?

  • Fred, Just Fred

    Brooks is a day late and a dollar short. The country is already evenly divided between left, right and look at my new cell phone.

    The first two, let’s be honest, loath one another and everything they stand for. The third group doesn’t care either way as long as the thing directly in front of their noses is not effected.

    If we define what any particular value means to us, I doubt we could use up one hand counting things that “unite” us.

    So, instead of disrespecting a symbol some mistakenly think still has relevance, why not just retire the Stars and Stripes altogether?

    Sure, let the federal government fly it on their buildings; it can be a symbol of just how disconnected it is from the people.

    • Today’s atmosphere is very much like the Vietnam War days.

      • Fred, Just Fred

        I was too young to have judged the socio-political atmosphere of the time, but I’ve read the works of most of the most widely recognized thinkers of the time, left and right.

        I believe what we have today is a continuation and escalation of what started in the 60’s rather than a new wave of schism.

        The demographic split is similar, but I think the ideological and emotional divide goes much, much deeper today.

        • I think that’s true. I also think that’s an intention function of today’s technology and media

          • BeyondThePail

            Doesn’t tech/media merely amplify what’s always been under the noise?

          • So do cheerleaders at football games.

  • Josh Jaeger

    For the love of all things sane!!! When will this bull**** stop….. All protesting does now a days is shows how lazy you are. Oh you’re going to protest to what end? You figure if you keep protesting someone will change what it is that is bothering you? Damn you’re stupid…… If you want change do something about it, I mean actually do something. Disrespecting our country and flag does absolutely nothing but piss off the majority of the country. Don’t give me that bull**** that it isn’t a out disrespect, that’s like the saying “with all due respect”. No matter what you say after that phrase you still have some asinine comment coming after it. Same thing goes for this refusal to honor our national anthem. You may not have a motive against our flag and values, but guess what, you’re still doing it and pissing off patriots of this country!!! Stop being lazy, you want to fix the race problem, get off your damn knee or ass, and go do something productive, not passive!!!

    • This could have been written during the Vietnam War protests.

      Eventually, the country caught on that the kids were right.

      But, to your point, what would be a way for people to end system racism that doesn’t somehow involve an attempt to get the beneficiaries of it to acknowledge that there is systemic racism?

      That’s why I turned Brooks words on their head. He says those protesting have to become part of the story of those who aren’t. That’s what writing from a position of privilege looks like.

      • Josh Jaeger

        See I agree with the aspect that you need white people to be on board with helping produce change, but it is highly unlikely you will get their help by pissing them off. I know I certainly don’t want to help those that disrespect our flag. It’s like BLM and blocking highways, it makes me hate them not want to help them. Stop protesting in a manner that angers people that you want their cooperation, it doesn’t make any sense.

        • I’m trying to think of times in which society has changed without angering people who most benefit from a status quo.

        • BJ

          > highly unlikely you will get their help by pissing them off.

          They haven’t gotten help by not pissing them off.

          Why would anyone be pissed off at someone else protesting is beyond me. Maybe try being pissed off at WHY they are protesting.

    • KTN

      You do realize these young women were going to play a game of basketball right. I mean, if they were as lazy as you imply, they would not have been doing something so athletic. Not sure how their actions were a disrespect of the flag, seems to me a bigger disrespect would be to follow a hallow gesture just to please you.

      • Josh Jaeger

        Wow… First of all it was volleyball…… Did you ever read the article? Secondly the laziness aspect went over your head….. They are being lazy in their protest, rather than protest, go do something!!!

        • KTN

          Must be awesome to be you, I guess, one who never makes a mistake – cool on ya.
          Along with being lazy, the blacks are shifty too right, and athletic, man can they jump, and dance, they can dance like crazy. Are there any other lame generalizations you want to make or was lazy it.

          “They are being lazy in their protest, rather than protest, go do something!!” – they did, they played volleyball.

          • Fred, Just Fred

            The photo is blurry, and it’s a shame to waste all that righteous outrage, but all those girls look white, and they don’t appear shifty either.

    • Fred, Just Fred

      I think, for blacks, the protest is a knee jerk reaction that is a part of their DNA. They grew up with the adults around them saying the (white) man was out to get them, even though the bullets flying around the neighborhood were being fired, the home invasions and car jackings were being conducted exclusively by black men.

      That is why you will never, ever see a BLM protest at the site of a gang shootout, even when little kids are shot down.

      It’s worse with some elite athletes who have been catered to, hand and foot, since early adulthood. The idea that anything negative in their lives has anything to do with their own behavior is completely without precedent.

      These white, suburban kids are simply virtue signaling.

      • Rob

        In terms of job and housing discrimination and unequal treatment in the criminal justice system, a reasonable person could conclude that white power systems were/are out to get blacks.

      • BJ

        >That is why you will never, ever see a BLM protest at the site of a gang shootout, even when little kids are shot down.

        Or, perhaps, you haven’t seen the rally’s. Which is probably more likely, that none happen or that you don’t pay enough attention to notice?

        • Fred, Just Fred

          Although I consider myself pretty well informed, I have not seen coverage of any rallies; but I’m always willing to be corrected. Can you point me toward coverage of a BLM rally at the site of a gang shooting….anywhere?

          • BJ

            I believe you found one yourself and Bob linked to another below.

            So because the demonstration wasn’t large enough you dismiss it. It could be that BLM is about the other things.

            Like another writer above said “…is part of the BLM mission to protest gang violence? Did they expand beyond just asking for equal treatment by the police and I missed it?”

            You didn’t get that writers example of using another group to explain why they might not be protesting. So I’ll assume moving forward you just post nonsense statements to get reactions from people.

          • Fred, Just Fred

            I applaud this fellow and approve of his protest 110% <—That is not a dismissal.

            My observation of the lack of attendance is support and encouragement; I'm "callin' y'all out", which is the thing to do, right?

            Let me tell you and the "other writer" something. LEO related shootings, of people of ALL RACES, NATIONWIDE, comes to the several hundreds:


            I can't find an agglomerated statistic, but North Minneapolis has to be in the hundreds of gang related shootings all by itself this year.

            Chicago saw 56 people shot, in one day; ONE DAY, and the cops were involved in none of them.

            It could be that BLM is about the other things.

            Oh, I think you’re on to something there.

            It’s about pandering, it’s about unqualified victim mentality, it’s about a lot of things that don’t touch on the crux of the problem; and it is the leftist apologists out there that ensure it will have zero, none, nada effect on the death rate of young black men.

            Also, I don’t see Bob’s BLM rally link; how about you supply one, since you were knowledgeable enough to scold me?

          • jon

            Got it, we should stop worrying about several hundred deaths a year until we take gang violence that causes a greater loss of human life.

            So most gang violence is performed with guns, so if we talk about gun control, then we’ll go back to “automobile accidents cause more loss of human life than guns!”

            (fast forwarding the conversation)

            “Why aren’t you doing research to cure heart disease? Do you not value human life?”

            Half of all deaths (roughly) are from heart disease and cancer… so we shouldn’t worry about anything else (no matter how preventable) until those issues are resolved…

            NRA needs to stop lobbying for people to be able to protect themselves, because only a few thousand people a year die from being attacked by another person compared to millions from heart disease and cancer…
            BLM needs to stop worrying about getting shot by the cops and do cancer research.

            Or this is a strawman argument and it all falls apart when you realize that condemning one form of killing isn’t the same as condoning another…

            Not that it matters… it won’t change your mind….

          • Fred, Just Fred

            we should stop worrying about several hundred deaths a year until we take gang violence that causes a greater loss of human life.

            How about addressing both? You know, like the protest I applauded in the comment you are responding to? Your first excuse was BLM isn’t in the business of worrying about gang banging murders; not their problem, right? Pick an argument and stick with it.

            So most gang violence is performed with guns, so if we talk about gun control…

            You suggesting restricting a constitutional right on the basis of race? Super, you get on that and let us know how it works out.

            Half of all deaths (roughly) are from heart disease and cancer… so we shouldn’t worry about anything else (no matter how preventable) until those issues are resolved…


            Hundreds of billions. M’kay?

            NRA needs to stop lobbying for people to be able to protect themselves, because only a few thousand people a year die from being attacked by another person compared to millions from heart disease and cancer…

            Using a gun to protect yourself inherently requires offensive second party involvement. No one is forcing anyone to super size that Big Mack sack, and if you can explain how someone can give you cancer, I’m all ears.

            You’ll have to give your argument a bit more polish before you will convince anyone to give it serious consideration; at least before I will.

          • Jared

            >How about addressing both? You know, like the protest I applauded in the comment you are responding to?

            So both are addressed, as you mentioned, so the whole argument you’re trying to make doesn’t hold. The only thing I can think you’re trying to get at is that people should protest everything constantly or nothing at all. I just can’t understand the “either solve all of the worlds problems or don’t even try with one” mentality.

          • Fred, Just Fred

            No, both were addressed at one, very poorly attended event. My argument stands unless you, unlike BJ, can show me that BLM is protesting the killing of blacks by all sources. I haven’t seen it, but again, I’m willing to be corrected….hasn’t happened yet.

            What I’m getting at is this. As I see it, neither BLM nor their white, leftist enablers are willing to get involved in black on black murder, which is 1000 times worse than cop killings, because it would inevitably involve some measure of responsibility on the part of the black population.

            In my observation, blacks don’t want to do it, because the 25% that are engaged in criminal activities, and doing all the shooting, like things the way they are. The law abiding black families that live among them fear for their lives and the majority that are climbing the socio-economic ladder are just as busy with their own lives and raising their families as everyone else.

            White leftists don’t want to do it because it exposes the damage and destruction years of the welfare state, and their political pandering, have wrought in black America. And naturally, that restricts their future pandering which might, hell, would, cost them a valuable voter base.

          • Jared

            That just feels like a false comparison though. BLM is specifically about the killing of black people by government authorities. You’ve removed the last part to fit your argument. It’s like getting upset that the NRA isn’t showing up to free speech rallies because the 2nd amendment is in the constitution therefore they should be spending an equal effort on all of the constitution.

            You may disagree with what the group stands for or its tactics or whatever you want, but I don’t understand how you can say they’re hypocrites because they focus on what they choose to focus on.

          • Fred, Just Fred

            I’m calling them hypocrites because this is a pattern, and it is a vicious cycle.

            I know how corrupt the police are, trust me here. But as long as 25% of
            black males are involved in crime, and as long as black men account for a murder rate as far removed from their population numbers as the moon is from Earth, the cops are going to have a valid
            excuse for treating them differently.

            As long as black mothers of dead black men have to qualify their grief with “I know he wasn’t no angel, but…”, no one is going to take them seriously. At some point, black Americans are going to have to acknowledge they have some responsibility for the disasters in their lives.

            Ok, let’s forget about BLM for the moment; they are directed at police violence; home grown killing is not their focus.

            When middle class America sees black, urban neighborhoods erupt in mass protest directed not at hair salons and liquor stores, but at the gang bangers that are responsible for the war zone, we will take them seriously and jump in to help. Until then, we will see it for what it is; another distraction from the root cause.

          • Jared

            OK, I just want to start by pointing out that you’re using language that’s deliberately inflammatory. So stop telling others to rise to a higher level of conversation until you do.

            You found one small protest, there’s also small protests against police shootings. There’s also large protests against gang violence (I think thousands surpasses most BLM protests) http://wgntv.com/2016/05/21/thousands-take-to-chicago-streets-for-rally-against-violence/

            But those protests don’t tend to affect you, so you don’t notice them. And they aren’t done to reach you, so you don’t notice them. That’s fine, but if you don’t care to look for them why get upset that you don’t see them?

            You should complain about people protesting drone strikes of American citizens because more Americans die from homicide too then. Also we shouldn’t care about terrorism at all because more Americans die from homicide. It’s all violence being done against the same group of people right? So therefore go by the larger body count.

            Again, why can’t there be two separate groups doing two separate things?

          • Fred, Just Fred

            First of all, like I said, I’m willing to be corrected. This is exactly and precisely what I’m talking about.

            “They stopped traffic with the message, “Stop the killing,” a sea of
            signs with the faces and names of the victims, met with a fiery
            challenge from father Michael Pfleger.

            “We’ve got to look at ourselves and decide we are not going to allow
            shooting and killing to go on in our streets on our blocks while we live there while we walk there,” Pfleger said.”

            That is exactly and precisely what I’ve been saying in the past 10 comments.

            There was another guy in the clip that said (paraphrasing) “This isn’t enough, we have to get into the neighborhoods, into our blocks”

            Man, I’m all in with that. That is a protest I’d join; that is a street I’d block.

            That protest does affect me; it affects everyone. I think it’s a shame that protest wasn’t given the national coverage it deserved. I read five newspapers online every day, and I never saw anything about this. But it’s a start.

            When these protests start having an effect, and they will if they are continued, the cops won’t have that valid excuse to cover their misdeeds. These protesters are the real deal.

          • Jared

            Maybe I misperceived your comments, but I think what most people were arguing about was that while this type of work is important, its existence or lack of existence shouldn’t have any relation to the BLM movement.

            I see that you’re more supportive of anti gang violence protests. It’s also possible you don’t feel supportive of anti police violence protests. But it seems strange to say “They should be protesting something different” rather than “I don’t agree with what they’re protesting”. And if you agree with both, why can’t someone fight for one and not the other if they so choose?

          • Fred, Just Fred

            No man, I know that many, maybe most cops, are crooked as hell. I like to say not every cop is a liar, or abuses their authority, but every cop knows one that does, and does nothing about it.

            What I’m saying is, that as long as we have 1200 shootings in Chicago, and 500 in Minneapolis, and 1800 in Detroit, all being perpetrated by gang bangers, the cops, crooked or not, are going to have a valid excuse for approaching black people differently. To expect a cop to approach a white guy in a Prius in Woodbury the same way he approaches a black guy in a jacked up Crown Vic on 35th Ave N. is not realistic.

            When violent black neighborhoods start self-policing, like we saw in that news clip, crime will go down and that excuse dries up, no matter what color drivers are or what they are driving.

            Also, the victim mentality fuels the BLM movement, and I think we’ve had enough of that.

            Every time I hear about some supposed “privilege” I have as a white guy I want to tear my hair out. If ruling out a kid who dropped out of high school for a job that requires calculus is “white privilege” well then, yeah, I got some. But I work with people of all races; all of them are as well educated as me; none of them have neck tattoos; all of them drive nice cars to nice homes and our families socialize just fine.

            What I hear from people like Nakima Levy-Pounds is “You owe us; you are the cause of all our problems; you have to take us as we are and work with what we bring.” That’s not how the world works.

            I’m not saying there are not ignorant racists out there, every race has them, and always will. But I am saying the willingness to work together, irrespective of skin color, is more prevalent than ever; the opportunities are out there like never before, and plenty of people are taking advantage of them; but the people out there on the BLM lines aren’t among them.

          • jon

            “You suggesting restricting a constitutional right on the basis of race? Super, you get on that and let us know how it works out.”

            Fact- No one suggested that… But I’m not getting drawn into a gun control debate here again (Bob would yell at me) I only used it as a stepping stone to show the logic being applied.

            Fact- Only about ~110 billion humans have ever lived… cancer can’t have killed 100’s of billions of people….

            Though I don’t expect facts to change your mind (see my previous post where I called that out already.)

        • Fred, Just Fred

          Well, being a self sufficient kind of guy, I did a little “googling” and there was actually a protest that condemned self-inflicted black murder as well as LEO shootings. I applaud this fellow and approve of his protest 110%, but have to point out that the picture accompanying the story shows about 12 people attending his rally.

          There’s your problem, right there.


          Still radio silence in N. Mpls.

      • jon

        Is is part of the BLM mission to protest gang violence? Did they expand beyond just asking for equal treatment by the police and I missed it? Is this protest about gang violence or is it about the systematic repression of a people based on the color of their skin? because I was lead to believe it was the latter.

        Are you just expecting them to protest something that isn’t part of their mission?

        Do you get the same way about the league of women voters for not showing up to protest gang violence? or better still domestic violence? I mean they are women, right? They should be opposed to domestic violence, right? Why are they not at the site of domestic violence protesting!?!!?

        THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS IS A DO NOTHING ORGANIZATION THAT DOESN’T CARE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE COMMUNITY THEY CLAIM TO SUPPORT! (or they have a mission and need to utilize the limited resources at their disposal for that mission… not for other things that some one on the internet feels is more important.)

        • Fred, Just Fred

          Wow, just wow. I wouldn’t even know where to start with that, so I’ll just let it stew in it’s own juices.

      • AbhMPLS

        These kids at South are not “suburban” nor are they all white kids. They are urban students in a school in South Minneapolis that has a mix of students from all races and backgrounds. South students have been known to protest with BLM groups and the whole school participated in a racial justice day last year. They are fully aware of what this means to take a knee and are not just doing it because it’s virtuous or a trend. They are living this everyday.

        • Fred, Just Fred

          I stand corrected on their urban status, but the picture that accompanies this story shows what sure looks to be all white girls.

          • DavidG

            It’s called empathy.

    • Rob

      It’s always interesting to see how worked up some people get about other people exercising their FA rights. And usually, as in this case, the complainer stoops to name-calling. Sad.

      • Josh Jaeger

        I love how people twist an aspect. haha- they are disrespectful towards are flag, that’s why I’m the complainer

        • BJ

          >disrespectful towards are flag

          Last 2 sporting events I went to had many (100’s) people buying beer while the anthem was playing. No one, not one person, was even slightly phased by it happening.

          • Fred, Just Fred

            Apathy is not overt disrespect.

          • rallysocks

            You’re right…it’s worse.

          • tboom

            Why won’t somebody please do something about apathy?!!!

          • Jason Mock

            I meant to earlier, but I haven’t gotten around to it yet.

  • Rob

    For so many Americans, the nation’s deeds have fallen so far short of its creeds that exhortations like Brooks’ ring very hollow indeed. More people “taking a knee” is a good thing, because it reminds us how far we have to go to put less daylight between deed and creed.

  • Fred, Just Fred

    Back in July, two children were shot in a drive by in N Mpls; a two year old died. To my knowledge, no one was ever arrested, and no one, not even their father, who was the purported target, is talking to the police.

    If these volly ball players, or any one else really wants to impress us with the sincerity of their concern with black lives, maybe you all could go up and take a knee at Lowry and Penn where that child died so needlessly.

    Who knows, maybe Nakima Levy-Pounds might make an appearance too.

  • JB

    South Park nails it again. Right down to the sport and, as read in the comments here, the astonishment that not all the girls protesting were black.

  • lindblomeagles

    My question to David Brooks specifically, and every one against “take a knee” is what form of protest would persuade you to resolve racial injustice? We’ve seen Black Lives Matter stage marches, block-ins, and pep rallies. The conversation didn’t change. We’ve watched professional athletes like the Minnesota Lynx and Le Bron James’ Miami Heat and Cleveland Cavalier teams wear warm-up jerseys begging people to act. The conversation didn’t change. Even President Barack Obama has talked about a dialog, a conversation, purposeful talk about these issues. The conversation didn’t change. And, we’ve seen violence, Ferguson after Michael Brown and the Dallas Police Shootings. The conversation didn’t change. Suggesting “kneel downs” are counter productive or un-American, or disrespectful, inherently conveys that these other methods are productive, American, and respectful. If that’s the case, where are the results? And if the results aren’t there, then when are people FREE to try other forms of protest that might produce results?