In WNBA, $5,000 is the price of social conscience

There seems to be plenty of irony to go around in the WNBA’s decision to fine players $500 and the three teams on which they play $5,000 for wearing unapproved team attire.

The league fined the New York, Indiana, and Phoenix teams for wearing shirts that, technically, didn’t say anything, but were a statement in the wake of police shootings and shootings of police.

“We are proud of WNBA players’ engagement and passionate advocacy for non-violent solutions to difficult social issues but expect them to comply with the league’s uniform guidelines,” WNBA President Lisa Borders said in a statement provided to The Associated Press on Wednesday night.

Three teams, including the Minnesota Lynx, that wore T-shirts that did says something were not fined.

The Lynx only wore their T-shirts once, and said they’d turn to other ways to address social issues.

The fines come after the league, which issued a statement of support after the Lynx’ original protest, sent players a reminder of proper uniform policy.

Related T-shirts: Minneapolis police union selling ‘#jackass’ shirts for charity (City Pages)

  • Snookhookr

    The shirts I saw some of them wearing when this story broke last week was acknowledging Black Lives Matter. So yes….they should be fined for promoting a group that incites violence on police officers.

    • Old news. The shirts also carried the Dallas Police Department logo.|

      One question that never seems to get answered in the old Lynx debate: If” change doesn’t begin with us”, who does it begin with?

      • Snookhookr

        How do you “change” a false narrative that police kill blacks at a higher rate than others? How do you “change” a group that still uses the false narrative “hands up, don’t shoot….an event that never happened?

        • The question was Change Begins With US…. what do you believe they’re talking about when they urge people to look inward for change? What change of oneself?

          • Snookhookr

            What, exactly, does the Dallas PD need to change?

          • Again with the third person.

          • SaguaroJack49

            What do the cops of the Dallas PD need to change, since they did nothing wrong? What about the Ferguson police? What do they need to change since they did nothing wrong?

          • I’m not aware of anyone thinking Dallas Police did anything wrong.

            As for Ferguson, obviously the U.S. Justice Department does not agree, and it said so in 105 pages of notes. So I suppose one could take any number of recommendations and do something with it or simply blow it off.

            https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/ferguson_police_department_report.pdf

          • SaguaroJack49

            Well, somebody named Micah Johnson thought the Dallas PD did something wrong.

            If you accept the findings of the Eric Holder Justice Dept in Ferguson, we really have nothing more to discuss. Eric Holder was clearly a black racist out to avenge what he saw as white oppression. You have simply and finally admitted that you’re a liberal who doesn’t differentiate fact from fiction. Sorry to have wasted your – and my – time.

          • Kinda figured that’s how you’d conclude. Thanks for stopping by to talk.

      • SaguaroJack49

        I see. So you don’t even entertain the possibility that what needs to change isn’t what the police are doing, but what BLM is doing, inciting others to shoot policemen.

        Oh: The players clearly said that change began with THEM. It was written right there on their shirts.

        • that would be “change begins with YOU” or “change begins with them”. The T-shirts difference reference third person singular or plural. It was first-person .

          So what do we as individuals needs to change in ourselves in order to effect change?

          • SaguaroJack49

            I’m all for that. Wonder when we get to see somebody in BLM admit that Michael Brown was not murdered by the cops.

            Just know that when you go along with the idea of “social conscience” by these basketball players, you are giving credence to the lie that BLM is based on. White AND black thugs die every year at the hands of the police, and many more white than black. We never hear a thing about those deaths, as we never hear about it when the cop who kills a black is also black.

            There is just too much untruth surrounding BLM. Until BLM gets to the truth, and starts telling the truth in its public pronouncements rather than stirring up hostility with continued backing of lies about cops and blacks – until then nothing is going to change.

          • Either that or you favor a country where we all work a little harder at making things what they want them to be.

            But I understand the “you go first” aspect of this generation.

          • SaguaroJack49

            “This generation”? At 67, I’m possibly old enough to be your daddy.

            This is not about who goes first. It’s about getting things accurate first. It does no good to pretend that cops are out to kill blacks if that isn’t true. Or do you think it doesn’t matter if one side has lies & nonsense in its head – like, that Michael Brown was killed For No Reason Whatsoever – while the other is dealing with reality – such as, that Michael Brown died attacking a cop & going for his gun? such as, that Michael Brown never had his hands up? such as, that Michael Brown was NOT shot in the back? such as, that the whole BLM movement is based on lies about Michael Brown’s death?

            Doesn’t it matter that each side tell the truth, or is okay with you if one side lies while the other is bound by evidence? Because you’s how you’re coming across.

          • No chance you’re my daddy.

          • SaguaroJack49

            I’m sure that pleases us both.

          • AmyR

            You are misunderstanding the reason BLM protests, and protested the Michael Brown shooting. We have a system of laws, and it includes police to serve and protect and the judicial system to determine if laws were broken and what the consequences might be if the person is proven guilty. When police kill unarmed people, they are skipping the guarantee that each and every one of us is supposed to have – a right to hear the charges against us and defend ourselves.

            It doesn’t matter if Michael Brown really did steal from that store or not; the consequence of stealing is not execution on the street. At least, it is not supposed to be.

            I frankly am terrified of living in a society where police are judge, jury and executioner. I know people who fled countries like that.

            Another point of protest is that when individual police act in an unprofessional or dangerous manner, they are rarely punished. Every profession has its bad actors, and they need to be dealt with. Instead, a wall of silence and system of protection goes into place, and police learn that as long as they say they were afraid (of a ten year old with a toy, of man walking away), they will be protected from consequence.

          • SaguaroJack49

            Um, no.

            In the first place, nobody is defending bad cops who shoot people for no reason. Such cops deserve the rest of their lives in jail, not only for their action but for betraying the public trust.

            Second, where did you get the idea that Brown died for theft? Brown died for attacking the officer. Unarmed or not, he was a big dude & the officer was right to feel his life was in danger. Black witnesses said they would have shot Brown much earlier in the confrontation than the officer did.

            Police are punished regularly, you just don’t hear about it. Same with the Army. Same with any large organization. You may be confusing real life with the movies.

          • SaguaroJack49

            In order to effect change we first need to inform ourselves so that we’re working from facts, not fairy tales. I AM informed about the blacks-and-cops situation. Presumably so are you. The cops for darned sure are.

            That leaves – BLM supporters. How many of them do you suppose even know that Michael Brown was in the wrong, and that “hands up, don’t shoot” never happened? Yet BLM was built on the notion that Michael Brown was a “gentle giant” who had his hands up, pleading for the cop not to shoot but the cop shot him in the back anyway. In reality, of course, he attacked Officer Wilson & went for Wilson’s gun. Brown was NOT shot in the back, and black witnesses told police that in Wilson’s place they would have shot Brown much sooner than Wilson did.

            So what needs to change isn’t the informed me or the presumably informed you, but the uninformed BLM marchers who keep alive the lie that Brown was innocent and was murdered by an out-of-control cop. You, by going along with the idea that “we all have to change” whether we’re working from facts of working from fairy tale, lend credence to the idea that cops generally are on the rampage against black people. I don’t believe they are. You apparently do in spite of all evidence to the contrary.

            We can never get anything fixed when we pretend that things happened that did not. Reality. Not anger-inspired fairy tale.

  • SaguaroJack49

    Social conscience, eh? Would Collins have supported these players if they had worn all-blue shirts that clearly put them on the side of the Blue Lives Matter?

    One suspects not.

    • And one suspects not if not if one only wants to live in a vacuum where one’s own belief is used as substitute for one’s knowledge.

      • SaguaroJack49

        You must be talking about yourself. I have taught high school in the inner city. I have taught high school on Indian reservations. I KNOW what’s going on from seeing it firsthand with my own eyes.

        How about you? Hmm? What do YOU substitute for actual, first-hand knowledge? Ah, but you gave it away: Your own beliefs, of course.

        • What I’m referring to is the fact that since we’ve never met, nor had any conversation , and since your first comment on NewsCut was 7 hours ago, you come to the question of knowledge about me and what I would/would not do from a position of ignorance.

          And to the extent you think you know, you come to that from a position of arrogance.

          • SaguaroJack49

            Arrogance? Try experience. Am I right or wrong that you approve of the WNBA’s display? Am I right or wrong that BLM is based on at least two lies & that BLM marches have tried to stir up hatred of the police? Am I right or wrong in judging that your approval of the WNBA display lends credence to the BLM mythology of Michael Brown being murdered by cops?

            You don’t seem to realize, or care, that when you express approval of things like this WNBA display, that you are encouraging the lie, pushed by BLM, that all police depts in America are racist & out to get blacks.

            THAT, my friend, is arrogance.

    • lindblomeagles

      Saguaro, I’m not sure you’ve kept up on current events, but a third Black man was shot this month, this time by a Miami Police Officer, and, like the other two, he was innocent. Matter of fact, that Black man was helping an autistic resident of a group home. Fortunately, he will live. But, in your world, these incidents of innocent civilians doing, actually nothing illegal at all, but still getting shot by police, doesn’t resonate for you; thus making you AS GUILTY as the Black Lives Matter movement you feel is being one-sided on the issue. It never seems to occur to you that both things, people shooting police, and police shooting innocent people, are occurring simultaneously. As Bob noted, change CAN start with you. You don’t need the Lynx to see both incidents happened in July, and both incidents are equally wrong, and the people doing them, NEED to face strict consequences.

      • SaguaroJack49

        No, meagles, you’re as wrong as it’s possible to be. Criminality is criminality whether it’s by a citizen or by a cop. IMO dirty cops should get much longer sentences than others because of their betrayal of the public trust.

        You and Collins seem to think that every second cop is dirty. That’s where we actually differ. I think most cops are honest men doing a hard job & I give them credit for that. BLM would have us think that ALL cops are dirty, all police departments racist. Nonsense. By stirring up black crowds, they put the good AND the bad cops in danger and that presents a danger to society as a whole. Without police enforcing the law and taking dangerous criminals off the streets, society as a whole faces destruction.

        This is not a case where “both sides are equally guilty.” BLM is FAR more guilty than cops are. That in no way excuses bad cops.

        Now take your raving imagination to someone who needs it.

        • // ” BLM is FAR more guilty than cops are.

          I sense agreement that there is some improvement everyone can make.

          None of this is new. This is basically a replay of the “my country right or wrong” response in the early ’70s over protests of the Vietnam War. Was there more right than wrong in the country back then? I think so and thought so then. Is that a logical argument for making the wrong right? No.

          • SaguaroJack49

            Uh, no. The one trying to make the wrong right is you, by your approval of the idea that “we all need to change.” We DON’T all need to change. The ones needing to change are the ones who are wrong.

            The guilty (wrong) party for Vietnam was the US govt. The guilty party in Ferguson was a criminal. You are indicting all police as dirty and that’s just irresponsible.

          • Yes, I believe we can all do things to make the wrongs of the world right. YMMV

          • SaguaroJack49

            Ah, another bromide. You’re avoiding the essential fact that one side is completely wrong and the other completely right. That merely prolongs what actually IS wrong by diverting resources & energy to make-believe wrongs rather than actual wrongs.

  • Flat Bastard

    I must have missed your commentary decrying ESPN’s firing of Curt Schilling for expressing his social conscience, Mr. Collins.

    • Guessing you didn’t bother looking.

      • Flat Bastard

        A link would be more convincing than a snotty retort.