‘Don’t shoot me,’ Florida man said before he was shot

“He throws his hands up in the air and says, ‘Don’t shoot me.’ They say lie on the ground, so he does,” Hilton Napoleon, an attorney for a man in North Miami who was lying on the ground with his hands in the air saying “Don’t shoot me”, said Wednesday.

Police shot him, the Miami Herald says.

Charles Kinsey was in the street to retrieve an autistic man who’d wandered away from the center where he lives.

“Sir, there’s no need for firearms,” Kinsey told WSVN TV before he was shot. “It was so surprising. It was like a mosquito bite.”

“When it hit me, I’m like, ‘I still got my hands in the air, and I said, ‘No I just got shot! And I’m saying, ‘Sir, why did you shoot me?’ and his words to me, he said, ‘I don’t know.’”

“They flipped me over, and I’m faced down in the ground, with cuffs on, waiting on the rescue squad to come. I’d say about 20, about 20 minutes it took the rescue squad to get there. And I was like, bleeding — I mean bleeding and I was like, ‘Wow.’”

The officer has been placed on administrative leave.

  • >> ‘I don’t know.’<>The officer has been placed on administrative leave.<<

    I wonder if anything will come of this. If this played out as described, the LEO should be put in jail for a while…

    /Not holding my breath that the LEO will even lose his job…

    • lindblomeagles

      Answer: nothing. That’s why Black Lives Matter exists. Nothing ever happens to these LEOs. They receive high fives from their brothers, a “Don’t do it again,” smirk from a Chief, and head right back into their cars, on their way towards a great retirement package.

  • Angry Jonny

    Is it just me, or is the common ground here LEO’s with all the firearms acumen of a skittish kitten?

    • jon

      It’s certainly not the case in all of the apparently racially motivated shootings by police, but it does seem to be the case in a few of the more recent ones.

      Honestly I don’t know if police being “skittish” and shooting some one is better or worse then police being callus and shooting some one.

  • Anna

    The man has an autistic client he is trying to get back to a group home. The young man is sitting right by him.

    And this is “protect and serve?” The officer who fired put the “suspect” and his charge in mortal danger.

    As I said in a previous post, the entire nation is on edge thanks to social media.

    Charles Kinsey is black which can be the only reason the officer fired. I suspected his race was black before I even saw the video.

    Where is the culpability of the person who called saying there was someone with a gun? I’d like to see them made “accountable.”

    Behavioral therapists do not carry guns to talk down the mentally ill in their care.

    Perhaps the officer should have to go through the training these healthcare professionals go through to provide support and care for the mentally ill. Better yet, let him work in a group home for SPMI residents for a month so he understands the challenges they face on a daily basis.

    This is unbelievable!

    • lindblomeagles

      It’s also exactly why Black Lives Matter named itself Black Lives Matter. It’s why Governor Mark Dayton said, “I doubt this would ever happen to a white person.” Like I said before, BLM was totally right, and I’m on board now.

  • tboom

    This is just bewildering. Who teaches law enforcement? What do these guys study before receiving law enforcement certification?

    • tboom

      Okay not quite as bewildering since I saw the post about a caller claiming a man with a gun, the police came in all amped up. But this response to an unarmed man is still bewildering. My questions still stand, how are these guys trained and how is their knowledge/temperament screened before being allowed to put on a uniform?

  • Jeff

    These cops are idiots, this guy who got shot needs to get a huge payday and I’m very glad to hear he’s doing alright after being shot. Cops should be trained on how to deal with these situations…it’s pretty awful they didn’t just advance once informed the person had a mental health issue, verify there is no weapon and then call medical personnel.

    • lindblomeagles

      I don’t know about you Jeff, but I’d rather use the “Bat Signal” than to call 911 these days.

  • MarkUp

    Why were the police there to begin with? Was there a 911 call? Were they on patrol? What started this?

    00:49 – The camera shot of the police hiding behind the squad car with a rifle trained on them is really shocking.

    • Caller to police said there was a man with a gun. There was no gun. The kid was holding a toy truck.

      • Mike Worcester

        Is this a part of our “See something, say something” culture that makes us afraid of our own shadows?

      • Brent Strom

        “All he has is a toy truck. A toy truck.” – victim, before he was shot.

  • Jasmine

    In a sane & decent society, the responding officers would already know all the behavioral therapists & staff at the group home for adults with disabilities. Of course that would imply police were hired that were educated, emotionally mature, civil, etc.

  • PaulJ

    Is the cop not allowed to explain to the mob ?

    • Ryan Johnson

      Sure, but the standard explanation of “Legally justified. Feared for his life. Move along. Nothing to see here.” is getting old.

      The public at large is beginning to want explanations of what they are going to do to prevent these things from happening in the future.

      • PaulJ

        I haven’t heard any of that (or anything) from this cop; hence my question. To your point; IMO, society will have to spend a lot of money to end the need for it to send its representative into life threatening situations.

        • Ryan Johnson

          Oh I agree. And the first step might be regular psych screening and therapy for officers. It would help with the sort of paranoia that leads to these incidents, the suicides that are the leading cause of death among police, and the prevalence of PTSD, depression, anxiety, and drug and alcohol abuse that they face both before and after they leave the force.

          Of course we can’t seem to manage that with our soldiers either.

          • PaulJ

            end poverty?

    • Thomas Mercier

      I’d love to hear his/the union’s explanation for this. It sounds like an accident, but there are penalties for accidents involving guns and shooting others.

      • PaulJ

        Especially when professionals are involved.

    • Let’s start a list of possible explanations.

      Go.

      • >>Let’s start a list of possible explanations.<<

        The toy truck was actually an IED…

      • fromthesidelines21

        >>Let’s start a list of possible explanations.<<

        The officer actually thought the toy truck was a gun. In which case he is a bad shot since the man he shot was not holding the toy. Adding to the argument that this officers training has not been very effective.

        • lindblomeagles

          Nice!!!!

      • PaulJ

        1) accidental
        2) story from victim is not accurate
        3) other parties were involved without victim’s knowledge
        4) the cop went crazy and shot a helpless guy in leg for no reason
        5) the cop misinterpreted the situation
        6) the cop overreacted because of lack of training
        7) the cop hates African Americans

        • Why number them? You have no way of knowing.

          • PaulJ

            they’re numbered so they don’t get mixed up – I make bullet points all day at work and it help with the clarity. I have no way of knowing what? Wasn’t this a brainstorming session? I was trying to follow the brainstorming rules.

      • Mike Worcester

        Well this makes perfect sense then. Why didn’t I think of it — “Florida PBA president says North Miami officer meant to shoot man with autism, NOT Charles Kinsey.”

        https://www.facebook.com/7NewsMiami/videos/10153828876112613/

        • Anna

          Thank you, Mike for the video link. If anyone believes THAT story, I have a piece of property I’d like to sell you in Antarctica.

          Any officer that can’t tell the difference between a toy truck and a real weapon needs to find another profession.

          How about a pair of binoculars so officers can tell the difference!

          Geez!

          • That shiny toy truck!!! OHMG!
            The white dude is huge. How could he miss?

    • >>Is the cop not allowed to explain to the mob ?<<

      ‘I don’t know.’ – Pretty succinct answer

  • AverageJoeMN

    Like always, I suspect there’s a lot more to this story than MPR is telling us.

    • What do you think we’re holding back, Joe?

      • lindblomeagles

        The Black man ran . .. Oh, wait. He didn’t. Ummm . . . . He had a weapon! No. Wait. It was a toy truck. Ummm . . . . . He had ‘tude and didn’t respond to verbal commands! No. Wait. He was on the ground already with his hands up. Ummm . . . .

        • jon

          He didn’t even have a toy truck, the group home resident he was with had a toy truck.
          But who hasn’t mistaken a toy truck for a gun in some one else’s hand being displayed in a threatening manner…. I’m sure that kind of thing happens to people all the time, unless you are white.

    • Paul

      What about the Miami Herald, the story this post is outlined from?

      Your tin foil is getting thin.

    • Bear at EatPeople dot gov

      It’s interesting how many people are eager to posit the existence of shadowy conspiracies on behalf of marginalized communities (e.g. people of color or people with developmental conditions), while ignoring real power sitting right in front of them: heavily-armed agents of the State who are systematically protected and exonerated for the misuse of lethal force.

  • Paul

    When the idea of “protect and serve” can get back to its original form “to serve and protect” we might lead on a better path.

    Who are the cops protecting in this situation? Themselves, it appears. When enforcement officers have a vested interest in those they serve the outcome of these situations will be for the better.

    Try start giving a damn.

  • Carl Crabkiller

    We need to hear from Rep. Tony Cornish on this, his letter to the editor on June 7 did not cover this scenario.

    • lindblomeagles

      Whether Bob features your comment or not, I am going to say “YOUR COMMENT IS THE FEATURED COMMENT TODAY!” Very well done! Thanks much Carl.

  • Jack Ungerleider

    Because of the nature of collective bargaining agreements the cop who pulled the trigger may not be fired after internal investigations, etc. But if he can’t do better than “I don’t know” as a reason, the department should take away his gun and put him on some sort of administrative duty. They should also put him into some kind of counselling until he can articulate why he felt compelled to shoot an unarmed man who did everything they asked him to do.

    Also I would be curious to what the procedure in Florida is when a public employee puts a vulnerable adult into harms way. The incident would certainly rise to that standard and officer involved should be subject to discipline under those rules as well. (Which might rise to the standard of him losing his job.)

    • Anna

      Having worked for 20 years in LTC and Home Health, the officer could definitely be brought up on charges of endangering a vulnerable adult. This would be the most likely way he would be removed from his job.

      The mentally ill, developmentally disabled and the elderly have special protections under the law though some states have stricter laws than others.

      I guess we can be thankful that nothing happened to the autistic resident. Any of those bullets could have ricocheted and hit him.

      I feel sorry for the residents of North Miami. The other officers who were with him also have some culpability in this fiasco. Were they egging the guy on or what?

      It’s obvious cooler heads did not prevail in this incident.

      • Jack Ungerleider

        I saw a report this morning from NBC News (via Smart News) that a police union spokesman in North Miami has released a statement that says the officer is now claiming that he discharged his weapon at the autistic man because he believed he was threatening Kinsey.

        This is more disturbing than the “I don’t know” answer of yesterday. It seems that the police officers chose to believe what I assume is an anonymous 911 call than the man on the ground who is explaining the situation to them. Don’t they have Social Service workers in Dade County? Shouldn’t the police have called in someone trained to deal with situation as described by Mr. Kinsey? Obviously not.

  • lindblomeagles

    Charles Kinsey worked for a group home, but rather than ask Kinsey for his employee badge or pull out his cell phone, which every officer has, and call the group home directly, the officer forced Kinsey to the ground, shot him, and then handcuffed Kinsey, before finally realizing some 20 minutes later, Kinsey DID in fact work for a group home AND was carrying out the duties of his job by retrieving an autistic resident. Sort of gives new meaning to the phrase “Shoot first! Ask questions later,” doesn’t it?

  • A bill to require four hours of training for police on handling mental health calls was killed by the committee chair in the MN House.

  • DavidG

    I don’t think it even reached a cost analysis point. It was opposed by the cops and their legislative allies, so it was buried without a hearing.