What is one thing the American public should takeaway from the shutdown?

“Almost all of Minnesota’s Congressional delegation voted in favor of the bill to re-open the federal government and raise the debt ceiling. Republican Congresswoman Michele Bachmann was the sole no vote,” writes MPR News reporter Brett Neely.

More from the AP:

Standard & Poor’s estimated the shutdown has taken $24 billion out of the economy, and the Fitch credit rating agency warned Tuesday that it was reviewing its AAA rating on U.S. government debt for a possible downgrade.

Obama and his Democratic allies on Capitol Hill were the decisive winners in the fight, which was sparked by tea party Republicans like Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, who prevailed upon skeptical GOP leaders to use a normally routine short-term funding bill to “defund” the 2010 health care law known as Obamacare.

“We fought the good fight. We just didn’t win,” House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, conceded in a radio interview. He was given positive reviews from Republicans for his handling of the crisis, though it again exposed the tenuous grasp he holds over the fractious House GOP conference.

The agreement was brokered by the Senate’s top Democrat, Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, and its Republican leader, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky. They stepped in after the House was unable to coalesce around a Republican-only approach Tuesday.

McConnell is up for re-election next year, and his tea party primary opponent issued a statement blasting his role.

“When the stakes are highest, Mitch McConnell can always be counted on to sell out conservatives,” Matt Bevin said. In the House, conservatives praised Boehner for tenacity.

Today’s Question: What is one thing the American public should takeaway from the shutdown?

  • Gary F

    That is all going to happen again in three months! Kinda like Bill Murray waking up each day in Groundhog day!

  • Mamie

    144 members in the House and 18 in the Senate STILL don’t “get” that their “job” is to find solutions, not cause problems to build a crises to get their own way. THOSE are the people who MUST GO. They are like cancer and there is no negotiating with them, cut them out.

    • Fred Garvin

      How does one find solutions with an opponent who refuses–loudly and repeatedly– to talk to you?

      • Sue de Nim

        How does one find solutions with an opponent who opposes everything you suggest, just because you suggested it?

        • Fred Garvin

          I guess we should ask GW Bush–he found a way.

          • Sue de Nim

            That’s because the Democrats back then were way less intransigent than the current crop of Republicans. On some issues (e.g., the war) they weren’t nearly intransigent enough.

          • Fred Garvin

            Or maybe GW Bush know how to LEAD intransigent Democrats and many of the same “intransigent Republicans” by treating them respectfully?

            Naaaaaa!

      • Yanotha Twangai

        When you make unreasonable demands, it’s disingenuous to complain that the other side won’t negotiate.

        • Fred Garvin

          Yes of course: your definition fo “unreasonable demands” are those that the other sides voices.
          Right?

  • Pearly

    Whats another trillion dollars between friends?

  • Rich in Duluth

    That extreme, limited issue politics is dysfunctional, disruptive and dangerous. It
    is the antithesis of insuring domestic Tranquility and promoting the general Welfare.

    We need representatives who think broadly, rationally, pragmatically, and understand that they represent, not only the people who voted for them, but all of the citizens of this nation.

    We need voters who understand this, because it is their responsibility to find such representatives.

  • JLG in Burnsville

    $26 Billion spent on government shutdown, but when budget talks resume they will insist on cuts to Social Security benefits for the elderly?

    • Jamie

      Probably more like raising the age for Social Security eligibility – it’s not going to be able to continue to pay the benefits it is paying now for the population that is coming. I’m 50. I’ll be affected and I’m in favor of raising the retirement age because otherwise the whole system will come crashing down and there won’t be anything for anybody. There’s not enough people paying into Social Security to support those drawing out of Social Security.

      • Ralfy

        A combination of Social Security tax reform (remove the taxable earnings cap) and means testing for benefits would take care of most if not all the future shorfall concerns. Of course, if we stopped shipping jobs overseas, that would help pay for future Social Security benefits, too.

        • Fred Garvin

          1. The same Social security reforms that GW Bush tried to promote that your Democrat friends in the Congress rudely stood and cheered AGAINST during his 2005 State of the Union address?
          2. Sending jobs overseas? Like when your president Obama travelled to India and Indonesia and S. Korea in late 2010 praising the agreement between our countries that sent …
          jobs…
          overseas to India, Indonesia, and S. Korea?
          Geez, any more comments like those Ralfy and you’ll have to start outwardly supporting Republicans!

  • david

    We’ve had enough tea already.

  • Andy McClure

    What’s the takeaway? Remember how your Congresspeople handled this situation at election time.

  • Jim G

    Don’t vote for those “Wild and Crazy Guys” who call themselves patriots, but are really very close to anarchists: willing to break our government for their own partisan purposes.

    • Fred Garvin

      Like Al Franken, who was part of the “Wild & Crazy” guys from SNL?

      • KTN

        I know that you don’t like facts to get in your way, but Senator Franken was head writer, and did some sketch bits, but it was Akroyd and Martin who were the Wild and Crazy guys. Next time do a little homework.

        • Fred Garvin

          You’re right: you’ve completely negated my statement.
          And no, “Senator” Franken was not the head writer on SNL.
          Facts, smacks!

          • KTN

            Except during the 85-86 season, where he was head writer (along with Tom Davis), otherwise he was just a staff writer and bit player – pretty funny too

            And why the quotes around Senator, he is your senator too (that’s gotta sting)

          • Fred Garvin

            Well, I guess you missed your mistake. Go figure.

      • Maxx

        You should know, Fred Garvin was the male prostitute on SNL.

        • Dan A

          So is that one, to his GOP puppet masters.

      • JQP

        Um

        dan akroyd and steve martin…..
        selfish conservative.

      • Jim G

        Al Franken played a character on SNL called Stuart Smalley. His favorite affirmation was “I’m Good Enough, I’m Smart Enough and Doggone It, People Like Me.” You can get his book on Amazon. Akroyd and Martin were the “Wild and Crazy Guys”. We now have Tea Party members doing impersonations. I like the originals much better. Much funnier and less damaging to the economy.

  • Bob

    Standard & Poor’s estimates the GOP shutdown cost the economy $24 billion. By comparison, NASA’s budget is $16.6 billion.

    The takeaway is that a small group of delusional opportunists manufacture a bogus crisis, then both political parties raise money off of what the opposing party is saying or doing. It was shameful to me how many fund-raising emails I got on a daily basis from the DNC trying to convert the idiotic behavior of the GOP into campaign war chests.

    The 113th Congress has to be one of the most ineffectual in history. The blame has to be placed on the GOP and its leadership. Today’s GOP is a party bereft of rational thinking and burdened by vitriolic hatred and an irrational fear of the common good.

    • Jamie

      Yeah, well, they include government spending in GDP numbers when they actually reduce GDP, so a reduction in government spending would actually increase Real GDP.

  • James

    The bid takeaway is that the US is in deep shi* and we have a governing process that cannot get at the real issues. Let’s look at the fundamentals:
    – We have a healthcare system that absorbs 20% of our GNP, compared to 10% for the rest of the civilized world. That 10% difference is just like a tax for our citizens and our businesses. Obamacare is possibly a first step towards fixing that problem, but really is a horrible and complicated bill, which has a very high probability of failing in the field due to its compexity and the real probability that healthy people will not sign up to subsidize unhealthy people.
    – We have a terrible spending problem. We have increased our national debt by about $12 trillion or 240% since 2000. Deficit spending is unsustainable. We really are going broke. We need to cut spending agressively and intelligently and it is going to hurt. Neilther side is really all that interesting in inflicting the pain.
    It’s easy to blame the Tea Party crazies for the problems of the last 3 weeks, but one could argue that they were just trying ot put the big issues front and center.
    The establishment ultimately prevailed by ignoring the issues with Obamacare and increasing our credit line.
    Some day soon we are going to have to deal with the real, fundamental issues. I hope the establishment has the heart and the brains to do so.

    • James

      That would be “big takeaway.” Sorry.

    • Fred Garvin

      The US was in deep trouble in 2008, when we were told by some clean and articulate guy with no executive, legislative, or managerial experience that he could bring folks together to solve our problems.
      We need to take away from this episode and the past 5 years that we’ve been swindled by Barry Obama. He’s the laughingstock around the world, and his stubborn tyranny is about to bring the US economy to its knees.
      Where’s that restart button Hillary?

      • JQP

        so the clown the ran the budget-hole-digging operation from 2000-2008 is what … just a moron that didn’t know better and therefore blameless ?

        • Jamie

          GWB spent trillions expanding the federal government’s power, size, and influence on your daily lives, which you protested vehemently. BHO is spending even more trillions expanding the federal government’s power size, and influence on your daily lives, which you praise.

          I don’t care where you place the blame, but stop spending so much money that we don’t have.

        • Fred Garvin

          Blame it on Bush—gee, never heard that before!

  • carl brookins

    WE the people need to elect more responsible representatives. Ranked Choice Voting would help that. Negative campaign ads get attention but are no help in informing the electorate.

  • Bill

    That the likelihood of the IMF and the Big Bankster Banks will pull off the Cyprus holdup of our savings and 401k’s is going up every day. Acceptance of this kind of corruption in our system is being broadcast over the airways as a tax of the rich. Because I save in a bank (with barely any interest) and I have a 401k doesn’t make me rich, but because I have been responsible verses many Americans, I am at risk of losing. I think money in the bank is a bad idea.

  • Sue de Nim

    Following the 2010 election, I surmised to my friends that the Tea Party movement would ultimately be a boon to Democrats. Looks like I was right.

  • PaulJ

    The fundamentalist aren’t fun.

    • PaulJ

      There’s a confusion between finance and economics.

    • Fred Garvin

      And the Democrats are not democratic.

  • Fred Garvin

    One guy can swindle and buy the American vote. Twice.
    Unless and until he is impeached, none of us is safe.
    What we have is the Stockholm syndrome on a massive scale–we’re held hostage by a guy who ignores laws, spies and lies without discretion, and murders US citizens without charge, trail, conviction or appeal.
    NOT IN MY NAME, Mr. Obama.

    • JQP

      selfish conservative

      • Thomas Sowell

        I have never understood why it is “greed” to want to keep the money you’ve earned, but not greed to want to take somebody else’s money.

        • Fred Garvin

          Amen, Brother Sowell…
          amen.

          • JQP

            and his water boy

          • Fred Garvin

            Whew, some lilly white Minnesotan calling a black intellectual a “boy”.
            WOW!

          • Fred Garvin

            I guess it’s okay to call a well-known black conservative writer a “boy”.
            I’ve pointed out this violation of MPR’s guidleines, but to no avail.
            It reflects poorly on the author and the moderator.

        • JQP

          cheating selfish conservative.

  • rjsams

    Partisan politics DOES NOT WORK. Our government is controlled by outside interests, and most politicians cannot swim upstream enough to counteract those influences without risking losing an election. When politicians are concerned about “winning” and “losing” political battles, the entire country loses.

  • KTN

    The biggest takeaway is that the President is a masterful tactician, winning another battle with the hapless Republicans, and the even more hapless focus group known as the Tea Party..

    • Jamie

      In the valley of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

      • Carrie

        What? LOL

        • Jamie

          The president is not necessarily a masterful tactician; it’s just that the Republicans are that bad at it. I think it sounds better when you say it the other way.

      • Sue de Nim

        And in the H.G.Wells short story where that saying comes from, it turns out to be false.

  • Jamie

    What? It was shut down? My life went on completely unaffected.

    • JQP

      It aint about YOU alone. Its about your neighbors. Over 600 contractors in Minnesota alone lost business income that they won’t be getting back.
      Selfish Conservatives are the biggest problem in America.

      • GoogleResults

        Did you mean: Free-Spending Politicians are the biggest problem in America?

        • JQP

          nope – I meant that when the one person says “It didn’t happen – because I didn’t see it” is an incorrect analysis… sort of the way you missed that point too.
          I typed slow for ya!

          • Jamie

            And the personal attacks begin. I never said it didn’t happen. I said it didn’t affect me.

            The point you missed is that 83% of the spending was still going on, and now that the “workers” who got sent home (to not work) are being made whole, an even larger portion of the spending will have taken place. It wasn’t even close to a shutdown. It wasn’t a shutstorm. The shut never hit the fan.

          • Carrie

            You’re missing the point. The whole thing could have been avoided but for the stupid House tea party caucus. This shutdown cost billions. So much for reducing our debt! Repubs are total hypocrites. Just because the shutdown didn’t affect you doesn’t mean there wasn’t an effect.

          • Fred Garvin

            And you’re missing the OTHER point that the whole thing could have been avoided if the Harry Barry loveboat would have sat down with their opponents.
            One man’s terrorist is another woman’s president.

          • JQP

            tried that two years ago … and things only got worse.

          • Fred Garvin

            Not according to your president–according to his delusions, the recovery was well under way and gaining steam.

          • Fred Garvin

            I know it’s tough Jamie, but don’t let these angry, bitter neo-regressive liberals ( all redundant of course) get your goat.
            Keep pointing out the facts, pointing out their blatant hypocrisy, pointing out their hero worship of the bozo in the White House, and get ready for the personal attacks.
            It’s rather amusing.

      • Fred Garvin

        You’re right again.
        It is about our black and brown bothers and sisters who have not been able to find work under your president. 5 years of RECORD minority unemployment.
        It is abbout the MASSIVE transformation of full-time work to part-time work that has occurred under your president. 5 years of across the board losses in full time employment.
        It’s about the wealth disparity between the riches and the poorest that has accelerated under your president. In your president’s first 5 years, RECORD GROWTH in the wealth separating the poorest and wealthiest.
        It’s about at least one generation of young people who have survived without a job because older folks cannot retire under the economic policies of your president. 5 years of RECORD youth unemployment.
        Geez, if we didn’t know the race of your president, we would HAVE to conclude that he’s a KKK racist of the worst kind by the tragic effects of his policies alone. 5 years of SHAMEFUL race-based civil rigths enforcement.
        Yes, it’s about our fellow citizens, and the person most responsible for this economic nightmare is your president.
        But, I’m sure you’ll find an excuse for his dismal record (Bush did it!).

        • kevins

          Fred, don’t use plurals. No one agrees with you.

          • Fred Garvin

            As the 2010 & 2012 congresional races showed, not too many people agree with you.
            And so, can we discuss the issues or spit at each about how many agree with the other? “Cuz my dad bigger than yours…
            But if you really need the attention that comes from attacking me, please do what you must to maintain your loose hold on reality.

          • kevins

            Well argued as usual Fred, in Fred World. Plurals (in the original post that I commented on) are an intellectually dishonest way to assume rectitude. No one agrees with you.

          • Fred Garvin

            So, you cannot address any of the factual points that I made in my original post–typical. If no one agrees with them, then it would be REALLY easy to refute them, but you chose otherwise.
            In any case, they’re facts. Whether you believe that folks agree with them is irrelevant. It would be like a crowd disagreeing with gravity!
            Instead, you choose to attack me, my “rectitude”, and on and on.A rather boring, but predictably amusing, approach for the neo-regressive crowd.

          • http://www.fark.com/ Onan

            Uh, the GOP lost 8 House seats, 2 Senate seats and was crushed in the Presidential race in 2012.

      • mason

        Oh no, the military industrial complex lost some money!

    • http://www.fark.com/ Onan

      You just keep thinking that.

  • John O.

    Political stunts of this magnitude are not cheap and are getting more expensive each time they occur. See you in just under three months for the next installment.

  • JQP

    that obstreperous partisan one-upmanship and featly to party ultimatums is massively damaging to national success.

    • Fred Garvin

      I agree.
      It’s time to get someone else in the White House who is up to the job.

      • Carrie

        The person in the White House is fine. It’s the teapublicans that need to go before they ruin the country. They’re already damaging the GOP. That’s the only good news out of this whole mess.

      • http://www.fark.com/ Onan

        Uh, you had your chance a year ago and got crushed.

  • Rosemary Walden

    Shutdown: Never again, please.

  • Chloe

    Too many politicians care more about themselves, holding on to their districts (or their position as Speaker), or grooming themselves for future political gains than in governing the country.

  • Ralfy

    One thing – Kamakazi politics are intended to sink the ship (of state), and have no place in a democratic republic.
    Other thing – the combination of gerry-mandered districts and “Citizens United” is a toxic stew that ensures this will happen again. And again.
    And another thing – if the big $ behind the TP walks their talk, we will see many new GOP faces in Washington come 2015. The lame-duck Republicans, having been knocked off in their primary, may well decide to work on what’s best for the greater good rather than their financial masters. We may see President Obama’s most productive months in that time window.

  • Jamie

    The fewer things politicians control, the less it matters who controls the politicians.

    • Jamie

      You sit here daily and p!ss and moan about the corporate interests influencing the government, the Koch brothers, the military/industrial complex, the Citizens United decision, lobbyists, etc. and then you have the nerve to vote that down. Can’t you see you’re perpetuating the problem? Get your heads out of the sand.

      • Sue de Nim

        Your thesis is belied by the fact that the Koch brothers, et al., are precisely the ones pushing for radically smaller government. We need government to be at least as powerful as the most powerful commercial interests, or else We the People will have no way to reign in the excesses of amoral commerce.

        • Fred Garvin

          In one phrase you rant against the Koch brothers and in the next you’re ranting about commercial interests. I, just like the Koch brothers, have the same protection against fanatical free-speech terrorists trying to shut them up as you: the Constitution. I, just like you Dems, have the RIGHT to associate with whom we want without some sharp, cold, and boney nose of your president’s IRS trying to ILLEGALLY interfere with our political activities.
          I LOVE DEMOCRACY–why don’t you?
          Here’s a new term to describe the Koch brother conspiracy nutjobs: Kochers. (‘coke erz)

          • Yanotha Twangai

            Yes to democracy. What the Koch brothers and their ilk want is not democracy but plutocracy.

          • Fred Garvin

            Well geez, what do we have NOW with your president refusing to negotiate with his “enemies” on the other side?

        • Jamie

          You, ma’am, are a blind fool.

  • Gayle

    I was on the road last night. I was trying to find the ball game on my car’s AM radio. As I scanned the dial, I must have hit at least 8 right-wing talk radio stations (it must be the night air, I was picking up NC, Okla., Mo., Il, Ohio, Iowa…). Every one of them talked of the traitors in the Republican party that had voted to end the shutdown, and how they were going to be taken out in the next primary. Ted Cruz is their hero, Lindsey Graham and John McCain are washed up villians, and of course, Barack Obama is a socialist/commie (good to know). It sounded like a call to arms – for the Tea Party to take down the “Quislings” (several stations used the term) in the Republican party. I was struck by how they all had the same talking points and buzz-words. And sponsors Ads for Viagra and “how to not pay taxes” seminars. Not to imply that there is some “behind the curtain” organization orchestrating the Tea Party and right-wing talk radio…

  • ShantellWebb

    We as Human Beings need to thankful for what we have right now. We as Human Beings who live on this Earth should be helping those who are in need right now. We as Human Beings should be looking forward towards the future. The Future is right now and so I am grateful. I refuse to live in fear and from crisis to crisis. i am not afraid to die as for my dignity cannot betaken away. As Human Beings money, wealth, and power is the root of all evil. I will continue to protect my family, and other human beings in my community. Plan NOW. I still have hope. May I remind all Human Beings I will not live in a Fascist Country so band together and help others right now. 2013 NOW. Bless the United States of America! Bless Planet Earth and Wake up all Human Beings. 2013 NOW.

    • Yanotha Twangai

      That sounds nice, bu I have no idea what that it means.

  • JQP

    Tea Party owes America 29 billion dollars