Should Lynn Rogers be allowed to continue his work with Minnesota bears?

“Black bear researcher Lynn Rogers has filed suit against the DNR. He’s asking a judge in Ramsey County District Court to issue a temporary restraining order to keep the agency from forcing him to remove collars on about a dozen bears he’s researching,” writes MPR News reporter Stephanie Hemphill.

The DNR has repeatedly told Rogers his practice of hand-feeding bears in his study area near Ely is habituating bears to humans, creating a public safety issue.

“And by habituation I mean, bears in that area now view humans as a source of food,” said DNR spokesman Chris Niskanen. “We’ve certainly heard from citizens in the Eagles Nest area, who’ve told us they don’t feel safe around the bears that are now viewing them as a source of food.”

The DNR also maintains Rogers has not published enough to justify continuing his research permit.

Rogers said he has published reports and is in constant demand to speak at conferences. He said his cameras in bear dens are educating people worldwide.

Today’s Question: Should Lynn Rogers be allowed to continue his work with Minnesota bears?

  • Sue de Nim

    No. Apart from the public safety issue, if he’s hand-feeding his subjects he’s not observing their natural behavior, and his research is junk. It looks to me like he’s exploiting the bears for profit. It’s not nearly as bad as Sea World’s claim that their captive orcas are educational, but it’s the same sort of thing.

  • circeo

    Although the DNR is to be commended for much of its work in Minnesota, the tactics they used in reaching a final decision on this case are questionable. I also question MinnPost’s removing this post from their Facebook page, after I responded there.

    • Dixie Thompson Senft

      I think I would question it also. They only want to hear from the anti research folks maybe? I haven’t really looked but will now.

    • Striper Chaser

      Why are they questionable? What questions do you have?

  • Allison H.

    No valid research? No state funding.

    • Dixie Thompson Senft

      I feel like the people have no clue!!! They do NOT get state funding. They are a non profit research group that operates on donations for the most part!!!!! FACTS, people, FACTS!!

      • Don- Minn- Jay

        im one of thousands who have donated to keep the research, walks with bears, an den cams funded. an proud of it. best money i ever spent ! last year over 100 usa classrooms used the black bear live den cams. an YES, its state approved for the schools.

        • Pearly

          It don’t make it right

        • Striper Chaser

          So what? People donate to the Moonies too.

          It is not state approved for any school. Please provide the accreditation for their education.

        • freelily

          Wild animal exploitation at its best. Teaching children that it is OK to intrude on wild animals in their habitat and destroy their natural instincts. Walks with bears?- that needs to be illegal!!

      • Striper Chaser

        Facts? Please provide the name and number – link – of any peer reviewed papers?

        • Moxie

          You keep asking that same inane question as though you are somehow entitled. You are no one from SC,just as I am no one from out of state. My opinion is give back the permit and see what shakes out. You “beat a dead horse” until all you have done is annoy some who may have been interested in what you have to tell.

  • Thatzcat

    Absolutely! He’s brought black bear education to so many people around the country and the world. Scientific findings are most useful when they can be used in everyday life. When I first raised alpacas in upstate NY I was afraid of bears that I perceived would harm my livestock. The knowledge I received from Dr. Rogers allowed us all to coexist peacefully. For this education I’m so very grateful.

    • Pearly

      Now the bears are not afraid of humans. Thats not a good thing, bears will be killed because of this

      • Dixie Thompson Senft

        Are you threatening the lives of the bears? The bears in the study are as afraid of humans as any bear. They are just not overly afraid of the voices they have come to know and when in certain safe environments they expect humans to be there. So why should bears be killed because of this? Please be factual instead of myth bearing.

        • Pearly

          The man was hand feeding the damn bears! It did not look to afraid of humans. He might as well of taught them to smoke! the bears he has had contact with are going to get themselves in a dangerous situation.

        • Sue de Nim

          Bears that fear humans less are more likely to become a nuisance, scare somebody, and get shot in the interest of public safety.

        • Striper Chaser

          Give it a break. Threatening the lives of bears?

        • freelily

          The bears in the study are not as afraid of humans as any bear- that is an outright lie!!!
          “We tame them essentially by feeding them. They’re like squirrels. You
          feed them, and they tame down. Then you stop feeding them, and they’re
          still tame.” – Dr. Lynn Rogers

      • freelily

        Definitely. Bear education can still be done without the exploitation, habituation and molestation of the young ones, abuse from hitting them and then feed them so they will come back for more.

        • freelily

          Rogers his own words: “We tame them essentially by feeding them. They’re like squirrels. You
          feed them, and they tame down. Then you stop feeding them, and they’re
          still tame.” – Dr. Lynn Rogers

    • JQP

      how did you receive the knowledge? was it available from anywhere else?

    • Striper Chaser

      No, he’s brought unproven thoughts about black bears to a great number of people. Scientific methods and hypotheses should always be brought before peer review. It’s how we know it’s completed in the correct manner.

  • Pearly

    No. I think he has done enough damage.

    • Dixie Thompson Senft

      What damage? I see none and have heard of none. Well maybe sour grape revenge by power seeking ex-volunteers and an ex-employee

      • Striper Chaser

        This is always your way. You have no real argument so you blame people. When scientific methods are not used and decisions and education come from the “research” harm is what comes of it.

        It’s why peer review of methods is so important.

      • freelily

        You see none because you don’t want to see any!! Isn’t this enough damage right from the mouth of the person you so worship:
        “We tame them essentially by feeding them. They’re like squirrels. You
        feed them, and they tame down. Then you stop feeding them, and they’re
        still tame.” – Dr. Lynn Rogers

    • Monner

      What damage?

    • Lolo

      What damage???

  • JQP

    Publish or Perish. An ugly truth about academia is that it isn’t quality and literal advancement of a field that matters – just the pneumatic regularity with which you spew copious quantities of vernacular, jargon, equations, citations and charts.

    His Wikipedia page is woefully thin and His North American Bear Center website – looks like some e-fanzine for Bear lovers with no listing of scholarly publications nor credits.

    He’s a character and maybe a caricature. But he’s no stand-up researcher. He’s like a “C” student that figured out that he wasn’t really good at his field … but he knew how to make money from it … otherwise. Pseudo-science?

    • Dixie Thompson Senft

      Academia? Dr Rogers in not working in an academic labratory. He is working in a long lasting long standing fiels research. Publish or perish has no bearing here. He isn’t going to fire off a few thousand words and ocscure facts tp get funding for a college lab. He is working to gain knowledge to share with the public. Nothing wrong with that. It has generated jealousy and envy and therefore enemies. Foolishness abounds where information and facrts are wrong or not present at all.
      YES YES Dr Rogers should be allowed to continue his research and I, for one, am hoping and praying he wins his lawsuit against the DNR!!

      • JQP

        thoroughly disagree on your perception of field work. publication is a part of ALL scientific work – field work included. I participated in geographic and geologic field research… it was published.

        If you don’t publish – both to share what you are doing and to expose your methods, results and proposals to peer scrutiny – you could just be some guy wandering about in the woods.

        I strongly contend that anyone who is requesting that the state continue to sanction his activities – be able to show productive results – and fulfill their requirements for the access granted … one them being … don’t alter the bears behavior in regard to humans – like it or not.

        Oh… and if he isn’t trying to flout his academic credentials… then he can drop the “Dr.” in his title – and just go by Mr. Rogers.

  • Jim G

    No. Where is the science? That’s an important question that Rogers has managed to avoid until now. That’s the real nexus of of this confrontation between the DNR and Lynn Rogers. Without the science, Rogers has a fun hobby, and hobbies are not eligible for scientific research permits.

    • Don- Minn- Jay
      • Striper Chaser

        Great. Point to the peer-reviewed papers that pertain specifically to special permit 18686 please.

    • Monner

      The DNR should look into the science if they question it exists. They haven’t. Anyone can read it. It is published and acclaimed worldwide.

      • Striper Chaser

        It’s not published. And there is no scientific acclaim from other bear researchers that I have seen. Please provide quotes/links as I’d love to see this.

        Scientific acclaim isn’t the same as celebrity and I think there is your mistake.

    • freelily

      The ladies who so vehemently are defending him and approx. 2 men who are trying to collect on his popularity with the ladies and take advantage of it are not interested in science. Right from the beginning they were only interested in cuteness of the cubs, playing virtual games pretending the bear cubs were their babies, throwing Facebook birthday parties for them, etc., and adoring Dr. Rogers for his bravery and manhood as not being afraid of the big black bears. This is what their interest in research is all about: https://www.facebook.com/lily.the.black.bear

  • L. Fonnimin

    When I was a Wildlife Management student at the U of MN, Lynn Rogers was a grad student assistant, his science was questionable then and it hasn’t gotten any better in the interim … his “research” is nothing more than Internet Infotainment and actually doing harm by allowing some bears to lose their natural fear of humans.

    • Striper Chaser

      I would bet even at that early stage of his career he was feeding the animals to gain access to them.

  • Dixie Thompson Senft

    Of course Dr Rogers should be allowed to continue his work with the black bears in NE MN. It is a tiny population out of the over 22,000 black bears in the state. His research is harming no one, and is educating innumerable people around the globe. The nonsense of making the bears unafraid of humans is being promoted by a small handful of people with varying agendas against Dr Rogers persoanlly and they attack through his lifes work. Good investigative journalism would show what he has done, and is doing, and that the research bears are NOT nuisance bears as the DNR claims. Since I have been following this research I have gotten rid of a lot of mythology that I grew up with and even passed along to my own kids when they were young. Black bears are fascintating intelligent animals, and they deserve their habitat to be explained and they deserve the world to know more about them, instead of the unfounded terror that so many feel about them. Plain facts can drive misconceptions and fear away if allowed to continue.

    • Pearly

      They are intellignet. I saw a couple eating out of a picnic basket.
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      Weiner/Holder! 2016

      • kevins

        Such a bad Pun Pearl

        • Pearly

          :)
          It would look great on a bumper sticker though.

          • kevins

            Either works well.

    • Striper Chaser

      His research harms true science. True scientists are willing to put their hypotheses before a board of their peers.

  • PaulJ

    No – aren’t the “Don’t feed the animals” signs posted for a reason?

    • Don- Minn- Jay

      in ELY.MN, they have been supplementary feeding bears by the residents for over 40 years. thats why this area was chosen for the research.

      • Striper Chaser

        There has never been any controlled diversionary or supplemental feeding in Ely. Ever. The feeding is simply entertainment for the residents. You can say there has been feeding but you cannot call it supplemental – because that denotes a need of feeding to supplement wild foods.

        It’s not diversionary as it’s done for the residents to have bears come to their property.

        Please don’t use terms that aren’t correct.

  • Ralfy

    Black bears are very smart with long memories and big appetites. Acquiring food is the primary daily activity for a bear (and most wild animals – that and not getting killed). Once a bear has found a food source, it will revisit that source as part of its daily routine. A bear that has scored a food pack in the BWCAW will come back to that camp site most every day for the rest of the summer. A bear that has been hand-fed will approach a human, expecting a snack. This scenario is wrong on so many levels; dangerous for the bear, dangerous for the human. Roger’s “research” is proving that if you feed an animal it will lose its natural fear of humans. Guess what, if you feed a raccoon it will lose its natural fear. If you feed a coyote it will lose its natural fear. His “science” is proving what we already know – that animals (including humans) like to eat and will follow the path of least resistance. His work is closer to turning bears into web-cast performers than scientific research.

    • Don- Minn- Jay

      not true… bears have been shown to use wild foods in the woods vs free food. the ely,mn area, over 10 households are supplemetary feeding bears ( all bears), an with this year of great food crops in the woods, few bears are taking advantage of the ”free food”. they know the free food is there in good amounts, so why would bears rather forage in the wild ?? ANSWER> its something to still learn. learn here >>

      http://www.bear.org/website/introduction-from-dr-lynn-rogers.html

    • Monner

      I think it is fine for you to disagree with Dr. Rogers findings. That is pretty normal but to validly dispute it, you would have to use another scientific process or other research document, right? That is science. Observe, observe and observe again to reach a conclusion or to dispute another’s conclusion. Shutting down the research to prevent a conclusion or to support your viewpoint is just wrong. It seems like cheating to me.

      • Striper Chaser

        Yes. This is why he should have published. You understand this too. It’s his fault. No one else’s.

  • http://www.ss-slocum.info/ Scott Slocum

    I assume that the purpose of this kind of feeding is to establish a
    relationship that allows Dr. Rogers and staff to observe and record the
    routine activities of these particular bears. Too bad this article doesn’t tell this side of the story.

    • Sue de Nim

      If he’s establishing a relationship with them, he’s not observing them scientifically.

      • Don- Minn- Jay

        never before was the ‘trust’ method of research used. the bears ignore the researchers. the den cams have been used by over 100 classrooms in usa showing the birth an life in a wild bear den. even a researcher in upper P of MICHIGAN used the ‘trust’ method of research to record bear behavior, but not to the depth of WILDLIFE RESEARCH INSTITUTE.

        • Striper Chaser

          “We tame them essentially by feeding them. They’re like squirrels. You feed them, and they tame down. Then you stop feeding them, and they’re still tame.” – Dr. Lynn Rogers

          I think this says all people need to know about the trust method.

    • Striper Chaser

      “We tame them essentially by feeding them. They’re like squirrels. You feed them, and they tame down. Then you stop feeding them, and they’re still tame.” – Dr. Lynn Rogers

  • Lori Andresen

    Absolutely! Lynn Rogers is an independent scientist who has been studying bears for decades and has educated the public on bears and their northern habitat, including calling for the preservation of the last remaining white pines of Minnesota’s Arrowhead Region. The moose doesn’t have such a staunch and visible supporter & protector as Dr. Lynn Rogers. We may lose the moose, partially because they do not have such a strong advocate defending their survival in Minnesota.

    Dr. Rogers has been a scientific and scholarly voice who has been free from the influence and control of politically motivated and controlled regulatory agencies. Regulatory agencies which have allowed the hunting of a declining moose population, as well as the permitting & promoting of hugely destructive mining projects in their northern habitat.

    Look at what has happened to the wolf in Minnesota. A politically pressured and influenced MDNR moved forward with a hugely unpopular hunting and trapping season on wolves, which were just delisted from the Endangered Species Act.

    The MDNR should reinstate Dr. Lynn Rogers’ permit to conduct research on black bears.

    • Striper Chaser

      The DNR and scientists throughout the country are the moose’s advocates. As they were the bears’. Without the DNR and other agencies you’d have no bears for Rogers to “study”. He sure wasn’t instrumental in their good population numbers.

  • Kate C

    Yes – it may be unorthodox but Dr. Rogers continues to learn more about bear behavior and has engaged thousands of people who might not otherwise be interested in this mammals biology and behavior.

    • Sue de Nim

      You’re saying the good of engaging people outweighs the bad of illegitimate research? That’s the same argument Sea World makes to support keeping marine mammals in captivity, isn’t it? Granted, Rogers isn’t training his bears to do tricks for audiences, but he’s made quite a name for himself without publishing a whole lot.

      • Don- Minn- Jay

        these are research bears are in the wild woods of ELY, in northern MINNESOTA. ive been there. in the woods, most spots you cant see 5 feet into the dense underbrush. the research is a large area of trees, swamps, an creeks an some clearcut areas of trees.

    • Striper Chaser

      He’s engaged thousands. I’ll give him that.

  • Darkdruid

    The DNR has warned Dr. Rogers the last 3 years when his permit came up for renewal that he needed to publish his research and the DNR also raised concerns about his feeding the bears. Dr. Rogers had 3 years to work with the DNR over these concerns and he chose not to. Now when the DNR rejects his permit this year he plays the victim.

    • Monner

      This is just not true. Why do you believe this? The DNR is not supervisory over the research. Plus anyone can read the research. Because guess what, its published.

      • Darkdruid

        The research that Dr. Rodgers lists as published are 2 articles written by other people that mention his work in passing. 1 article focuses on a disease black bears get but is not connected to his permit research. The other article I have been unable to locate.

        • Monner

          1970 to present, 100+ publications at bearstudy.org, publications tab. He has papers peer reviewed and approved to present this fall.

          • Darkdruid

            Papers published before the permits were granted don’t count. The DNR wants to see Dr. Rogers publish on material he has learned through the use of his permit.

          • Striper Chaser

            Not one paper pertaining to the permit. So perhaps he doesn’t need one?

      • Striper Chaser

        Of course the DNR is supervisory. They issue a permit. They give conditions to the permit. And publishing doesn’t mean like a comic book is published.

        Publishing means in a scientific journal with peer review. Such as Ursus where WRI’s last submission was rejected.

  • Nancy Blodinger

    The question is leading. It should be ‘Should the DNR be allowed to revoke Lynn Rogers permit without cause?’

    • Darkdruid

      His permit isn’t being revoked. His application for renewal of his permit is being rejected. The causes for this rejection have been stated and Dr. Rogers has been told to address these issues in prior years.

    • Striper Chaser

      They had cause. This is a very flimsy reason for a suit. Read the last two cover letters where cause is given. Landwehr even explains that Rogers methods and lack of research give him pause to issue a new permit.

  • Don- Minn- Jay

    just one program on national tv about bear behavior. there were also 3 BBC programs on the bears. this reaches the masses ! when was the last time anyone here read a scientific paper ? in the lawsuit by DR ROGERS you can read hhttp://channel.nationalgeographic.com/wild/episodes/bad-news-black-bears/is an SUE MANSFIELDs papers.

    • Striper Chaser

      There are a lot of cartoons about bears as well. Doesn’t truly make it science.

      • Don- Minn- Jay

        some people against the research, calling names an mocking people who support research. doesnt make what naysayers say any of the truth.

        • TJ

          Whoa….isn’t calling someone a “naysayer” name calling??? So what is good for the Goose isn’t good for the Gander? I think you better look up the defination of name calling.

        • Striper Chaser

          I didn’t call you a name. I simply proved by metaphor what you were saying wasn’t important.

  • Don- Minn- Jay

    just one program on national tv about bear behavior. there were also 3
    BBC programs on the bears. this reaches the masses ! when was the
    last time anyone here read a scientific paper ? in the lawsuit by DR
    ROGERS you can read DR ROGERS an SUE MANSFIELDS articles on bear research.http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/wild/episodes/bad-news-black-bears/

    • Darkdruid

      Just because you contribute to a TV show doesn’t mean that you are publishing new information on black bears. While highly entertaining and educational for people unfamiliar with black bears this program on the bear cubs didn’t show anything new. His permit is based on creating new research on bears and their habitat not repackaging prior knowledge into a show to educate the average American. Dr. Rogers has done an admirable job in educating the public about bears but the material he used is common knowledge among bear scientists.

      • Don- Minn- Jay

        always new people who havent learned much on bears. they need to be educated too about basic bear behavior an it needs to be enjoyable for younger people. i had some friends in their 40s watch this program an were amazed. one is a hunter too.

        • Striper Chaser

          People who feel the need to learn about bears should do it through professional management agencies. Not through a research site that does no stringent science.

          • Don- Minn- Jay

            i guess 100 classrooms using the den cams an research AND APPROVED BY SCHOOL SYSTEMS, in your opinion doesnt count as anythiny. guess WISCONSIN DNR visiting the NORTH AMERICAN BEAR CENTER in person, an giving it HIGH PRAISE, doesnt count as anything either.

          • Striper Chaser

            Again the Wisconsin DNR went to the NABC not the WRI. Again there is no approved education for classrooms. Until you can show me the accredited information???

          • Sam I am

            http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/livingwith_wildlife/bears/index.html

            Not much info. here! Where is all the info. on the DNR collared bears?

      • Monner

        That is news to me. Where did you learn his permit is based on new research? This is a long term project and he should take as long as he needs to compile statistics. Why not? I do not think a Commissioner of the DNR has the right to terminate peoples jobs and livelihoods without significant due process.

        • Darkdruid

          I mean new as researching areas beyond common knowledge. Yes I know most studies take numerous years to complete.

        • Striper Chaser

          The DNR does not provide a research permit for people’s jobs. They provide it for research.

  • Nancy Blodinger
    • Striper Chaser

      Simply PR. It’s not factual and not the truth.

    • Don- Minn- Jay

      great info at the site. check it out.

  • Don- Minn- Jay

    TOO
    MANY UNTRUTHS BEING PROMOTED AGAINST HIM ! just one false fabrication
    the DNR is putting out there an is in this articel is that a bear that
    was too human friendly was a research bear, IT WASNT!! it was a home
    raised bear that Doc Rogers wanted to help because of some injuries. he
    put a small collar on it to just allow him to find it again an help the
    bear. BUT IT WASNT A RESEARCH BEARS an shouldnt be promoted as one an
    used against him. Doc Rogers needs his day in court to reply to this
    false distortion an others used against him. Last time i looked, this
    was AMERICA an people had rights. the dNR was JUDGE< JURY< an
    EXECUTIONER with no recourse by the research team. this mans lifetime
    work is on the line an he should be given an opportunity to fight an
    have the wrongs corrected.

    • Striper Chaser

      Dr. Rogers did not collar this bear to help it. Go back and read the updates. They had much they stated they wanted to learn from this bear.

      This bear entered a garage with children. It refused to leave. The DNR has a responsibility to public safety which Lynn Rogers apparently doesn’t share.

      If that bear had hurt a child the DNR was on the hook. They did what they had to do. This simple post notwithstanding.

      • Don- Minn- Jay

        simple fact. DNR is calling this one of DOCS research bear. it wasnt, never was. it was a tame bear let go into the wild. so, giving the bear medicine an cleaning its wounds>> wasnt helping it ?? get real.

        • Striper Chaser

          They had a collar on it. It was a research bear. Is this too difficult for you?

  • http://www.facebook.com/elanne.palcich Elanne Palcich

    Dr. Rogers has done more to inform the public about bear behavior than the DNR has ever done. Moreover, his work is being followed, and used in classrooms, around the world. I consider this to be an amazing track record, and the positives of the knowledge that he has shared far outweighs any negatives as declared by the DNR in lack of research. I also feel that it was unfair for Gov. Dayton to include Commissioner Landwehr in his private meeting with Dr. Rogers. Evidently the Governor doesn’t want to claim any responsibility for denying the permit, and is letting Com. Landwehr be the fall guy. This whole thing smacks more of politics than of science.

    • Striper Chaser

      Not true. He’s done more to promote himself and tame bears but not true wild bears. Impossible to tell if anything he does holds water because he does not use the proper scientific methods and does not expose himself to peer – review.

  • Linda

    I was disappointed the 1st time that MPR reported that the bear in the garage who wouldn’t go away (but hurt no one) was one of the research bears. This bear temporarily had a collar on while they were trying to figure out who it was when it showed up in the research area and they did not know who it was. Turned out it had been someone’s captive bear and whoever had raised it released it to fend for itself. The DNR killed this bear and it has, since that time, always been citied as one of Roger’s nuisance bears. MPR, I know your reporters are better than that. Go back and read the WRI daily updates to read the whole story and progression of events.

    • Striper Chaser

      Temporarily? What does this mean? The WRI collared this bear. When they did it became a research bear. There are no indications from any of the updates that the collar was to be removed.

      They may not have tamed this bear as they did the others but it was indeed a research bear collared by WRI.

      • Don- Minn- Jay

        go look up temporary . guess you dont know what it means. as stated below, they collared it to give it medicine an to watch its wounds.

        • Striper Chaser

          No. They didn’t. Go look it up yourself.

  • Monner

    Yes, the permit should be renewed. It should allow unlimited radio collared bears in the current study group from the matriarch Shadow as was permitted for years. This is a long term very detailed and meticulous research project with multiple very educated scientists. It should not be jettisoned by an agency who did not do their homework. The permit does not require and never has required the DNR to receive the research published. But much has been published and with peer reviews. So that is a no cause. They have not ever visited the researchers to review the data collected. They are not observing the biologists in action nor the field studies. They do nothing professionally that I can see. A few rumors, misleading statements and continuation of a fear myth way past it’s time. Dr. Rogers can defeat each charge with facts. I believe this action is unconstitutional and is clearly not in accordance with Mn statues for proper administrative processes. DNR do your homework, then act but not now at the conclusion of a decades long project based on nothing but your opinion. Lastly, no one ever has been harmed by these specific bears!

  • Jeri Q

    Yes, the permit for Dr. Rogers’ black bear research should be renewed. While the research is privately funded, it offers many benefits to our state of MN at no cost to taxpayers, and it benefits a large, diverse group of citizens.

    For those not familiar with Dr. Rogers’ Wildlife Research Institute black bear research, you may find it useful to delve into information that provides facts from the
    source, rather than relying on just what you read or hear in the press. Nothing is better than the WRI website, itself, at bearstudy.org , but here are links to two of four excellent videos of Dr. Lynn Rogers talking to a local group in Ely regarding his research (Sponsored by Piragis Northwoods Company in Ely – 2010).

    In the “Part 3” video, Dr. Rogers explains how and why he moved from various methods of trapping and tranquilizing bears for research years ago to the more humane no-capture, trust-based method he uses today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obZhc7MeyLY&feature=youtu.be

    In the “Part 4” video, Dr. Rogers discusses his research in the Eagles Nest Township area: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCm3gVTPpus

    Dr. Rogers does not feed black bear subjects as pets. They’re wild animals, but he needs to be able to get a collar and transmitters on them to find and follow them in order to observe and record behavior. Common sense suggests a researcher can’t observe behavior in a tranquilized bear. Citizens benefit from gaining a better understanding of black bear behavior.

    • Striper Chaser

      In all actuality – the lightweight and vapid nature of the updates, the research on the site, the photos, and all of the rest are perfect. I do agree – please visit the site and you will have all the reason you need not to support the WRI in its feeding and taming of bears.

  • Cheryl O

    Yes Dr Rogers permit should be renewed!

  • Polly Kirsch

    I support Dr. Rogers and his research. His permit should be renewed and he should be allowed to collar as many bears as he can manage for his study. He has proved many times over that he doesn’t “feed” the bears… he simply uses grapes and a few nuts to allow him to change the batteries in their collars. The bears do not appear to perceive him as a food source. If they did they would attack him when he ran out of the small treats. As a matter of fact, he has reported that he and his staffers are having difficulty finding the bears when their batteries run down because of the large quantity of natural food available to them in the wood this year. The bears much prefer to forage in the wild for their food. As far as habituating the bears to humans, I don’t think this can be considered an issue at all. When Dr. Rogers and his staffers are able to locate one of the study bears it often takes quite a while for the bear to accept that there is no danger. The bear may circle around warily trying to determine whether the person is someone it can trust. Bears are, by nature, cautious and shy animals as Dr. Rogers as shown many times.

    Longitudinal studies of wild animals are very difficult to perform because of the danger of losing study animals. This 40 year study must be allowed to continue because once the collars are removed from the bears it will be extremely difficult if not impossible to put the collars back on them… particularly with the approaching hunting season.

    Another issue that should be considered is the educational value of Dr. Rogers studies to the many people around the world who have watched the den cams and read about the bears through the daily updates. In addition, there are the study boxes that have been made available to school children in so many classrooms. The experiences of some children led them to mount a campaign to have the black bear named the Minnesota state animal.

    Finally there is the economic value that has been brought to Ely and the surrounding area. Many of the supporters from all over the country and around the world have traveled to Ely to visit the North American Bear Center. They have stayed at the local motels and eaten in local restaurants. They have paid guides to show them the wilderness areas and purchased souvenirs at local shops.

    I ask that Dr. Rogers be allowed … and even encouraged… to continue his valuable research into the lives of the study bears.

    Thank you.

    • Striper Chaser

      I personally do not want children or others learning from a “researcher” that does not want to submit his hypotheses and his methods for peer review. There is something extremely troubling about that.

    • Shannon Jean Mason

      Looks like Striper Chaser known as CM from LABWAB Bounty facebook page want to keep cutting down Dr. Lynn Rogers WRI Research ..and doesn’t want the children or anyone else to learn anything about the back bear Yes the permit should be renewed so the research can go on . Onward with the research ..

  • cama1

    Yes. Lynn Rogers has educated adults and school children around the world about black bears, partly by feeding bears their favorite natural food (hazelnuts) so that certain bears trust him enough to let all of us get a glimpse into their lives and learn more than through peer reviewed science alone. Hypocritically, the DNR does not have a problem with giving people permits to feed bears any “material” they want (with six exceptions) at multiple bait stations in order to kill a bear. Hunters on private land are allowed to fill a thirty-gallon or larger drum with goodies to attract a bear for the kill. One hunter blogged that he used 50-75 pounds of donuts every time he went to his bait station; talk about habituating bears to look for people food and raid garbage cans. According to the DNR a bear can live to be at least thirty-seven, but hunters kill 80% of bears before the age of four. (The DNR learned this from their collared bears). I wonder how much the DNR makes each year on those bear hunting licenses? Not counting the $4 application fee for every hunter who applies for a chance at a permit, a quick calculation (for 3,750 permits in 2013) puts the number somewhere between $165,000 and $862,500 (between the cost for “resident” licenses at $44 and “non-resident” licenses at $230). That is down from last year at 6,000 permits, or somewhere between $264,000 and $1,380,000, assuming license fees were the same. There is also revenue from licensing “bear outfitters.” And last year approximately 20,000 hunters paid that $4 application fee, putting another $80,000 into DNR coffers. However, if a ten or eleven-year-old resident gets a permit, that 3rd or 4th grader gets a chance to kill a bear for free.

    • Striper Chaser

      This is simply ridiculous. The Mn DNR is not a money making outfit. They manage the wildlife resources of the state. In doing so they provide licenses to hunt bears.

      Dr. Lynn Rogers claims credit for the current baiting procedures. It’s on his website.

      In addition – the DNR is responsible for public safety. These habituated bears – 50 of them by Rogers own admission – have the potential to cause harm and from all accounts already have. This has to be considered.

      • Don- Minn- Jay

        neither the WRI or NABC are money making organizations either. they are NON-PROFITS.

        • Striper Chaser

          Either is the Heart Association – I’m not sure why this is pertinent?

      • cama1

        Dr. Lynn Rogers advocated for bait sites because it was the only way to ensure that hunters would make a clean shot and bears would not suffer; that has nothing to do with the hypocrisy of DNR policy allowing hunters to basically feed bears anything and everything at bait stations.

        A bear has never bothered me on my property (and several have wandered in) because I do not feed the birds in the summer and keep my garbage secured. I have always enjoyed seeing them. I am far more afraid of hunters than the bears, having had close calls three times (on my own property). Once the bullet came across the lake and I heard the branches snapping as it went past my head. I’ll take a friendly bear any day. The DNR is worried about liability with bears, what about hunters. Is the DNR liable if one of the hunters they give a permit to kills someone?

  • Lolo

    Yes and yes and yes! I am from Belgium and had misconceptions about bears before. Through Dr Rogers program, as a primary school teacher, I have learnt so much about their behaviour. So much that I would love, one day, to take a trip to Ely and see the bears for myself. We don’t have anything like this in Europe. Bears are nearly extinct in Europe! It is not just about publishing reports and fancy books, it is about educating the public and in that area, I believe Dr Rogers has done a tremendous job. His team comes across as passionate and highly knowledgeable.

    • Striper Chaser

      Simply because you had misconceptions about bears doesn’t mean there is anything new in Rogers’ work.

      • Jan Boeckmann

        Striper , you don’t even live in MN. Why would you worry yourself over what Dr. Rogers is doing with Black Bears in MN?

        • Striper Chaser

          Rogers has said he wants to influence decision makers. He has said his research helps bears all over. Forever. I can get you the quotes. If it was just related to Ely I wouldn’t care.

    • freelily

      No and No and No! Just because you are a teacher but not educated enough to find information to educate yourself otherwise about black bears doesn’t mean that Minnesota DNR needs to give WRI research permit.
      If you had brain you would know where and how to learn – perhaps paying a visit to your local library? You people have twisted knowledge not only about bears but about why DNR gives permits.

  • Ali in BC

    Yes absolutely!!! I have been following the amazing work of Dr. Rogers for the past 2 years by subscribing to the daily updates. He has done something no one else has been able to do. Rather than risk hurting bears by tranquilizing them he has gained their trust and is able to install radio collars, change the batteries when needed or check their heart rate, etc. without intrusion or harm to the bears. The bears accept a mere handful of nuts from Dr. Rogers during these research tasks. These are wild bears and the moment the batteries have been changed, etc., they walk away and carry on with their activities showing little interest in further contact. Through Dr. Rogers work we had the privilege of learning about bears in hibernation via live webcam. Again, this was done with the utmost care and the bears were in no way disturbed. For more on the amazing work of Dr. Rogers, Sue Mansfield and the bear centre, please go to http://www.bearstudy.org and click on the daily research updates which contain pictures and often videos of the research carried out on a daily basis.
    Dr. Rogers and Sue Mansfield are totally open about their ongoing research activities and share what they learn about these intelligent creatures a worldwide audience. We are so fortunate to have such a dedicated pair of biologists working to dispel the myths about black bears so that we can coexist in harmony with them.

    • Striper Chaser

      He’s basically fed them and tamed them and told you that this is groundbreaking. In reality it’s old news.

      • Don- Minn- Jay

        in reality, the area was chosen because of the feeding ,by over 10 residents, for over 40 years. where is your concern about the person who puts out over 10 bird feeders (not bear proof) an then cries ”NUISANCE BEAR” to DNR everytime a bear comes in her yard. isnt this conduct outlandish ?

        • Striper Chaser

          In reality you parrot the WRI. But in more reality it doesn’t matter why the area was chosen it’s still not groundbreaking. It’s feeding. That’s all it is. Feeding bears.

  • Dolores Conroy

    Yes Dr. Rogers should be allowed to continue his research ,people fear what the don’t understand this is why his research and education to the masses is so important.Take a look at how many children are being educated in their classrooms its fantastic , go to bear.org and find out just what valuable research is being done there.I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again people fear what they don’t understand and if it wasn’t for people like Dr. Rogers and Sue Mansfield we would still believe the earth is flat.

    • Striper Chaser

      Most people don’t fear the black bear. Most of Rogers’ fans apparently do. They can be dangerous but are generally shy. However, simply because Rogers helped you overcome unfounded fears doesn’t meant it’s groundbreaking.

      I prefer my children learn from scientists using the proper methodologies.

      • Don- Minn- Jay

        question ?? if you comment under everyones post, does that make your comments the truth ?

        • Striper Chaser

          Question – please point to a falsehood.

  • Christine Flowers

    Most definitely, he has taught the world so much already. The black bears need him for their survival otherwise they will be on the endangered list as to many other incredible animals are due to mans mis-understanding them.

    • Striper Chaser

      In reality – there is nothing much news shattering about his research. It was all available elsewhere. You just happened to learn it from him.

  • Sue de Nim

    There’s something I don’t understand about the spate of pro-Rogers comments last evening. You folks seem to think Rogers is being persecuted, or that the DNR has some vindictive or political purpose behind its decision. But if he’s as wonderful as you say he is, wouldn’t the state officials realize that what he’s doing is good for the state’s image and economy, and support it? What possible motivation can there be for the DNR to shut him off, if they weren’t convinced there was something wrong with his methods? It sounds to me like he brought this on himself.

    • Don- Minn- Jay

      i wonder why WISCONSIN DNR has visited the NORTH AMERICAN BEAR CENTER an was very impressed with it ?? an MINNESOTA DNR ”wont” visit it or the RESEARCH INSTITUTE for a tour?? even after being asked many times.

      • Striper Chaser

        What does being impressed with the NABC have to do with the WRI??

        • freelily

          Nothing, he is not smart enough to know the difference.

          • Moxie

            tsk tsk. Name calling. Remember what you said once that name calling “is the sign of,,,,,,”?

          • freelily

            Why the f they would want to visit and waste their time Don Minn Jay ? Or is it where Dr, Rogers is hiding the peer reviewed papers from his studies over the last 14 years?

  • Mary

    I want to know why this even should matter to the DNR? Are they GOD? They seem to THINK they are. What Dr. Rogers is doing is not harming the wildlife population in any way.

    • Darkdruid

      The DNR has set up the permit process for research to insure the safety of the bears and people. If there were no guidelines in this area then anyone could do whatever they wished in the name of bear “research”. People want to protect the wild aspect of bears and this means limiting contact. The DNR has tried to work with Dr. Rogers for several years about areas of concern with his research. Dr. Rogers has ignored these concerns so the DNR was left with one option; to deny his permit renewal.

    • Striper Chaser

      This matters to the DNR because proper research and public safety are chief concerns of wildlife managers.

    • freelily

      Dear Mary: the DNR are not GOD. They gave WRI research permit to research and write peer revived scientific papers about their research. Instead those two jokers are having fun writing ( or having someone write for them) daily updates for a bunch of uneducated followers who find bears cute and cuddly and like to throw virtual birthday party for them and call them their “babies”.
      Now, tell me, is that what a research permit is for? I don’t thinks so. Mean time so called researcher is asking for donations so he can “educate” people.

  • Darkdruid

    People seem to confuse the wonderful TV programs that Dr. Rogers has helped create and the research aspect of his permit. The television episodes have been highly educational to the vast population that has limited knowledge of black bears. However his permit is to expand the base of scienctific knowledge on bears not to educate the public. He has taken material that is already well known to bear researchers and put it in a format that the general public can absorb. The research permit is set up to expand on and find new insights into what is know about the bears not repackage previous material.

    • Don- Minn- Jay

      in some areas, aka ”den cams”, you cant publish your ”findings” with just a few years of study. as DOC ROGERS has stated, in 4-5 years he will have enough of a ”window” into den life to publish about hibernation. heck, scientists are still debating salt intake. that debate has been going on for decades an still no ”CLEAR” theory one way or the other. play in the den, nursing, sleeping, an everyday life in the den, has already shown that the ”hibernation” education is wrong. even today some places are still putting out outdated, an false information that bears sleep ALL THROUGH HIBERNATION. SOWS wake up later an ”poof” , they have 5 pound cubbies nursing. this wrong info IS STILL BEING PROMOTED.

      • Striper Chaser

        Um, 14 years of special permit with a lull and many years prior to that. This isn’t a yesterday thing.

      • freelily

        You don’t know much, do you?

  • Striper Chaser

    Dr. Lynn Rogers and Sue Mansfield of the Wildlife Research Institute have received a special permit from the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources since 1999. In all of that time they have never had any of their hypotheses proved/disproved through the normal scientific methodologies because they’ve never put them through the peer-reviewed process.

    In addition, through feeding, inviting the bears into domiciles, petting, feeding the bears from their mouths, hitting the bears – (video here – https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1389868484564650&set=vb.189738334397617&type=3&theater)

    they have changed the very nature of their subjects. They continuously claim kinship with the studies of Goodall but Goodall’s foundation stopped feeding their subjects years ago when they came to realize it skewed the very nature of their studies.

    In addition the feeding that goes on in the Ely/ENT area of Minnesota is uncontrolled by WRI and therefor disqualified for true study. The tamed nature of the bears has rendered them also disqualified for study.

    A quote by Dr. Rogers tells the tale – “We tame them essentially by feeding them. They’re like squirrels. You feed them, and they tame down. Then you stop feeding them, and they’re still tame.” – Dr. Lynn Rogers

    • Mary

      Respectfully Striper…Jane Goodall PhD, CBE sits on the International Board of Directors for the North American Bear Center/WRI in Ely, MN – she supports Dr. Roger’s work and shares seats on the board with other wildlife experts such as Polar explorer Will Steger…retired MN DNR Richard Anderson who is now a Bear Hunting Safety Instructor, Roger Powell PhD at NC State University, Rainer Brocke, PhD Wildlife Professor State University of NY, Gustav Peters, PhD Biologist Koenig Research Institute, Germany…and the list of expert supporters goes on.

      Sedating an animal also adjusts the “very nature of their subjects”. Perhaps people could read some of the many published scientific papers that are posted on the WRI site http://www.bearstudy.org/website/publications/published-papers.html

      • 4bubs

        I should rename…I see there are other “Mary’s” on here….I will post as something else from now on so there is no confusion.

      • Striper Chaser

        Many people sit on many boards. It’s a prestige thing. She has really nothing to do with the WRI. That said – she still stopped the feeding which was my point.

        I’ll disagree with sedation. Sedation is used very rarely. It doesn’t change the nature of bears like making friends of them does. There are no papers on the WRI website pertaining to sedation. And there are no papers relating to the special permit. And when I say papers I mean peer-reviewed.

        • 4bubs

          Striper – sedation is how the DNR does their research on more than tripled the number of bears that they have collared compared to Dr. Roger’s study group of 10 so actually, yes sedation is used quite frequently by the DNR.

          Respectfully again Striper – I am fairly confident that Dr. Goodall does not need to seek “prestige” given her renowned status from a remote research study, non-profit orgization. I also do not take someone at her level of intelligence to be the type of professional that would associate their reputation with something they do not support or consider valuable/viable.

          • Striper Chaser

            I’m not sure what you want from me. Goodall is not my concern. I mentioned her only because she has stopped feeding as she understands that it is not an appropriate study method.

            However, these boards are not like a board at IBM. They don’t do much.

          • RT

            There seems to be a lot that doesn’t seem to concern you…well except that your opinion is the ONLY opinion!

  • David

    NO it should not be allowed to continue, in my opinion.

    This bear soap opera has gone on long enough. After seeing
    the abuse/hitting video that was the last straw for me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL8jINtNbjQ

    The use of a public resource to make money in the guise of
    research needs to stop.

    As one local Ely newspaper said “Wild animal, not cash cows”.
    Unfortunately though, the animal tourism that has gone on for years in the Northwoods
    of Ely has led to ‘tame’ habituated bears.

    Thank goodness the world and the media are waking up to this
    debacle.

    How long can a so called ‘scientific researcher’ keep making
    excuses as to why he hasn’t published?

    According to some sources to not publish is deemed as
    scientific misconduct!

    And as for the ‘loyal fans’ whose reaction to any criticism
    is to shout, be aggressive, confrontational, rude and outright insulting. Was
    this not perfectly illustrated in the press conference where Mr Landwehr and
    Governor Dayton were heckled loudly by these so called ‘lily fans’. As for the
    size of the following etc., well 12/14 ‘lily fans’ showing up at the State
    Capitol is pretty paltry.

    146,000+ likes doesn’t tally with just over 7,400 signatures
    on a petition that has been going for nearly a month to show support to reinstate
    the permit.

    According to Rogers Daily Update last night, “With food so
    abundant that they scarcely have to move to fill their stomachs, do they still
    patrol their territories? Misconceptions about bears and our research
    create concerns about public safety. This sets the stage for killing
    habituated research bears when there is no threat to public safety. Not
    only are habituated bears less likely to attack than other bears, they are
    currently out in the woods eating the buffet of wild foods to an extent people
    seldom see. Wild food is everywhere and preferred over anything they can
    get around houses. Removing the radio-collars at this time will not
    increase public safety. It will only ensure that the research bears are
    more apt to be taken in this fall’s hunt.” http://www.bearstudy.org/website/updates/daily-updates/2063-opportunity-to-educate-update-july-24-2013-.html.

    If their stomachs are full from this abundance of food they
    will be less inclined to visit bait stations and not wearing brightly colored
    collars mean they are just another bear. What Rogers says is confusing and does
    not make sense on many levels. Is that why there hasn’t been peer reviewed
    publications as it would appear Rogers himself is confused?

    Thank You MN DNR, Governor Dayton and the Media.

    • Lolo

      I watched the video….

      Is that what people call abuse?!!! Wouldn’t call that abuse

      • Striper Chaser

        Some people call it abuse. Some people say it’s not. Some people say he and the bear made up. Whatever.

        One thing it does not show is strong scientific methodologies. It’s an embarrassment actually. Simply put if a man with all of those years of bear study cannot devise a better way to determine seed preferences than putting himself two feet from the bear and watching what it eats it’s long past time for that man to retire.

        Children in middle school could devise much more robust methods of testing food preference in bears.

        • Monner

          Looked like a split second action and immediately regretted.

          I try to envision life with just Mn DNR as our source for Black Bear study. Every year of two, we can find something. We tracked it, we drugged it, we weighed it, we counted it and cubs. We watched to see if it would survive the sedative. We do this every winter. (from the DNR website) It is obvious from the huge data on the DNR website that they have a monumental workload. I have enjoyed the WRI research angles, the walking through swamps, etc., the flora and fauna information and data collection graphics just as much as the bears antics. Why can’t research be fun for the non-science population? Why is he criticized for sharing so many wonderful pictures and moments. So many questions from kids on “how to on so many subjects” and learning to love science. The USA needs scientists. Science teachers love this data. This DNR shutdown, shuts down so much more. Yes, his research organization received donations because it was a phenomenal experience. Voluntary donations saying Thank You for the experience and keep it coming. That does not diminish the research. Do we want to teach these thousands of kids that biology or any scientific research will be a uphill battle just because others disagree with the hypothesis? Or because an arbitrary time deadline is set? And if, in the end, the data shows the hypothesis is wrong. That is a success too. The joy of science.

          • Striper Chaser

            I agree with a lot of what you say here. In actuality no permit is needed for the pictures and anecdotes. However, that’s not research for the non-science population. It’s stories of bear observations. Perfectly legal and no permit necessary.

            I do disagree with you stating do we want to discourage kids by disagreeing with hypotheses. Hypotheses are proved/disproved through the scientific methodologies and peer review.

            Not through disagreement. Yes – proving a hypothesis wrong is a success.

          • Moxie

            Kudo’s for saying it so well!!!

      • freelily

        It is an abuse of a wild animal. He is conducting study which food the bear prefers. Is that a way to do a study? He should not be lying in front of the bear. What he is doing is showing off in front of the people watching him. Is that a professional behavior? No one has the right to hit an innocent animal. Period.

    • Striper Chaser

      Not only confusion but one update contradicts another. It’s something the fans – as they wait for the nightly fix – don’t notice but all others do. Confusion and contradiction. And a smattering of ill will towards a former employee which can be seen here as well.

      • Silver Christian

        You are so sad , and so sick .

        • Striper Chaser

          LOL – that’s a rebuttal? This is why this is all falling apart. From WRI on down there are no facts ever in evidence. Just names and cute stories.

        • Sheri Lyon Reese

          and you have no facts! #freelily

        • freelily

          Are you looking into a mirror talking to yourself Silver Christian?

    • Don- Minn- Jay

      i was at the DNRs news gathering. the DNR was telling falsehoods. the one about DOCs research bear being a nuisance bear was just 1 of them. the other of ‘JUNE’ being a nuisance bear is another one. how can a bear be reported for doing damage, when at the very same time it is 3 miles away ? GPS doesnt lie. anything promoted against a person (DOC ROGERS here) should have an opportunity to address those allegations. DNR has repeatedly ignored requests to meet. guess this isnt USA anymore.

      • Sheri Lyon Reese

        Where are your facts, evidence. Just another fairytale lover. #freelily

        • Moxie

          You are not a court of law so your demand for facts isn’t relevant. The facts will come forward when in theof the right people. Bounty posters always feel entitled to whatever they demand.

    • TJ

      Like I said to someone else on here…time to voice your concern by sending a note off to the DNR. It is time the show is OVER!!

    • Sheri Lyon Reese

      David is right; fairytales do NOT equal science. #freelily

  • Silver Christian

    Yes he should ! He has given so much to those who want to learn about wildlife ! He is a threat to thrill killers , because he makes people care !

    • Striper Chaser

      What a laughable statement on so many levels.

    • Sheri Lyon Reese

      Facts please!!! #freelily

    • freelily

      He attracts lonely women and makes fun of them in private. He feeds their obsessive compulsive behavior and exploits it by asking for donations. He keeps facebook page just for that purpose.

      • Moxie

        Do you even have a clue to how raving you are sounding?

  • Eve

    No. I’ve followed Lynn for about 15 years, most of his “fans” only came around with the birth of Lily’s FB page. While I was once a supporter of his research, for instance he was one of the first to put a camera inside a den to see that bears really don’t hibernate, I now believe it’s time for him to retire.

    I don’t like what he’s doing with the 3 bears at the bear center, they should be altered and not allowed to mate. Because they’re not altered, poor Ted who came from an abusive environment, now has to deal with a sexually mature Lucky. I think it’s not in the best interest of the bears that they fight and possibly mate with Honey. Cubs born in that situation would be stuck in captivity for life, and there is no shortage of Black Bears as they are increasing in numbers all over the US. I think it’s irresponsible behavior, especially when I read his fans drooling over the prospect of “cute” baby bears at the center, that reeks of monetary greed to me. Also, because I objected to this plan I was banned from the FB page by Lynn’s zealot fans. They believe he can do no wrong. I feel sorry for the bears at the center and I was merely expressing my opinion, something his fans don’t like.

    It’s common knowledge by other biologists, not just the DNR, that Lynn’s research has hit a dead end. I think he should count his blessings for never having been horribly injured, (and he HAS been injured a few times, he just doesn’t talk about it to his fans), write books and keep speaking to educate people on bears. But I also believe it’s time to leave the wild bears alone.

    I watched the video where he hit one of his research bears and I was shocked. If Lynn hadn’t been bothering a wild bear in the first place, the confrontation would not have happened. But money talks. Sounds like the people in the background are from one of his groups he takes into the woods to “meet” the bears. Also not a good idea. Yeah, if you pay the price you can go into the woods and stay at a cabin run by Lynn and he’ll take you out to feed and pet wild bears. That is just stupid.

    Leave the bears alone!

    • Kimberly Kramer

      Lucky has been neutered.

      • Sheri Lyon Reese

        Perhaps you need to learn the difference between the NABC and the WRI. The permit is about the WRI and Ted, Lucky and Honey who are currently abused because they are confined in small spaces, live at the NABC. #freelily

        • kimbr

          Why did you respond to Kimberly Kramer with this? She said nothing about the WRI versus NABC bears in this post. What she said about Lucky and Ted at the *NABC* is true. They aren’t abused. They are far better off at the NABC than in, say, a zoo in a concrete cage with no real trees to climb or real dens or anything else that represents their habitat. They were always captive bears and could never have been released in the wild. So, when they had to leave their first captive home, what would YOU have preferred been done with them, Sheri? And you sound like a fool posting #freelily in every post. Do you even understand what hashtags are for?

        • Lori C.

          Please give us your ‘expert’ opinion on what the definition (size-wise) of a ‘small space’ would be to warrant it being abusive….

    • TJ

      Eve, Send your comment to the DNR and do so soon.

    • Lyn Cowper Pollard

      Eve…Have you never seen a child swatted by a parent when trying to make a point that is extremely important? Ever seen a mother bear teach its cub an important lesson? Ever seen a wolf parent/caretaker discipline a cub? There is a time when getting the point across quickly and effectively and showing who is the “alpha” is done by a swat. The bear’s psyche was not damaged; in fact, it respects Dr Rogers. Even the best of well-intentioned parents who want their children to be independent, respectful to others and well rounded, sometimes resort to “swats”.

      Some of your points may be founded in good faith, but to suggest that Dr Rogers and his theories are over-the-hill/outdated/reeking of monetary greed…well…take a breath and calm down. More people are thinking kindly towards bears because of being exposed to bears’ lives through him, and once this ends and becomes “old news” few will see it and be affected.

      • Striper Chaser

        That’s wrong. Most people never felt bad about bears. And as such the fact that Rogers taught a bunch of people – the vast majority of them women for some reason – that bears aren’t scary does not mean he’s educated most.

        Most already knew.

    • Moxie

      Eve that is all a crock. Lucky is neutered and Ted and Honey cmae from a loving home. They even come and visit them. And Hony has never had and will never have a cub. What balderdash you write. You sound suspiciously like the disgruntled ex employee who can’t seem to let go of the past and move on. Or at least a supporter. The 3 bears in the NABC compound have no bearing on the WRI research and are not overseen by the DNR, so noto the question here, and the rest is sour grapes, jealous gossip and non facts. Feh!

  • wojosr

    striper chaser you live in the Carolinas come and live in Mn or northern Mn for a few years and then you can be qualified to speak about what happens in MN. In the meantime go fishing for stripers.

    • Shannon Jean Mason

      Thank you Onward with the research ..

      • Sheri Lyon Reese

        Onward #freelily

    • Striper Chaser

      Baloney. I don’t have to live there to be qualified to see the research record, lack of peer review, lack of methodology, and so forth.

      No more than people who live in England can say what great research this is.

    • Sheri Lyon Reese

      Many of the people speaking in favor are not from MN, so Striper and anyone else has the right to post in opposition. NC has bears too in case you were not aware of it and handles them much better than they are presently being managed in MN.

  • JoAnn

    Yes! I don’t feel I need to defend Dr. Roger’s methods of researching black bears. He is using grapes and nuts instead of anestitizing them and possibly harming or killing them.

    • Striper Chaser

      He feeds them and tames them. And then he puts out cute stories about them. That’s it. There is no research record to speak of.

    • Sheri Lyon Reese

      He is using food to condition the bears to come to him and he has allowed numerous others to do so as well in his bear classes and people he knows. The bears now think any human who they see is a source of food. This is not working out so well for the people in the area around Eagles Nest. Bears come into their yards, garages, and anywhere they can get in. In fact, Doc has brought bears into the cabin at the WRI. There are plenty of photos to prove this. How do you expect a bear to tell the difference between homes that feed bears and homes that don’t. This is something the state needs to make illegal just as most other states have. People’s lives are at risk and the bears lives are at risk. It it better for them to be killed because they are nuisance bears?

  • MDbearlover

    Yes, his research provides information never available before and we have learned about things never before seen in the life of a bear–birth, activities in the dens, the mother’s care of her cubs in the den, a mixed litter in the den, and on and on. He also provides, through GPS readings, information on bear movement and behaviors. No one else has ever done this before, and it would be a tragedy to lose this research.

    • Striper Chaser

      You are very far from the mark. Many scientists and research agencies have tracked bear movements. Others have den cams. The mixed litter in the den only happened due to Rogers and Mansfield’s interference with wildlife and so was not worthy of study. In addition no study – in the form of peer-reviewed publications was forthcoming.

      • MDbearlover

        Why are you so hell-bent on answering every single positive post? Go get a life!

        • Striper Chaser

          Why are you concerned with what I do? I didn’t write on two of your positive posts did I?

  • Kimberly Kramer

    Yes, it should be allowed to continue unless of course the DNR can find just cause that is based on fact and not here say. That video that his critics say is abuse has not lived on a farm. The hit did not even connect and farm animals are actually struck and often. Factual information has to be eye witness reports or not just spin on truths. By the way, much of the factual information like play in the den is from research on these bears because nothing was known on bears in dens before it because the other research animals from other research were either drugged or asleep.

    • Striper Chaser

      I’m not sure you understand what just cause is. Simply conflating just cause and hearsay do not work.

      Just cause in this case is lack of publication, habituation of bears, hitting research bears. I could go on but you really have to know what the terms mean.

      • Kimberly Kramer

        I am not sure you know what just cause is in terms of the restraining order.
        You can look up the legal term as well as I can !

        • Striper Chaser

          OK. But you’re wrong. and I don’t need to look it up. The DNR provided just cause for the not renewing the permit in the two previous cover letters that described the issues with the permit. Especially in the last cover letter and appendices.

          There was no hearsay in there. It was pictorial evidence and more. Look it up.

  • Karen Hayes Knickerbocker

    Ted and Honey DID NOT come from an abusive owner!!! The owner was told by their insurance coverage they would not be able to continue their homeowners insurance unless they found another home for Ted and Honey. Get your facts straight Eve. Lucky is neutered. Honey and Ted have been together most of their lives and have never bred. I am a follower of Ted, Honey and Lucky and I will tell you right now, these bears are not abused…and neither are the wild ones for that matter. Are you one of the “Haters” that formed the “Haters” group when Donna quit her job?

  • Ess Ess

    He said in the video that was not the 1st time he had hit a bear. He had a big smile on his face at the time. Did any of you listen? Nothing humorous in smacking a bear. DNR has made a wise , necessary decision.

    • Heather Kramer

      You obviously watched another video. But keep trying to get everyone to believe it..good luck with that! (Oh btw, did you happen to see the ENTIRE unedited video? Right. Didn’t think so.)

      • Striper Chaser

        You’re a true believer huh? Have you seen a longer video? Do you know why you haven’t? One does not exist.

        • Heather Kramer

          And that’s where you’re wrong. Because yes, there in fact is. Just because you haven’t seen it doesn’t negate its existence.

          • Striper Chaser

            I’d love to see it. Please give me a copy. But in reality it doesn’t matter.

            The simple fact that a researcher of 40+ years used that method for a taste test tells me it was time to retire anyway.

          • Don- Minn- Jay

            i guess its better to shoot a ”tame” bear in a garage. more humane in killing it . not abuse ? death is not abuse when it could have been relocated ?

          • Striper Chaser

            To me that was a tragedy. If you’d like to put this in the same category it’s fine with me. I simply think the guy doesn’t know science.

      • Ess Ess

        I saw the entire video. Did you hear that he said had hit other bears or did you choose to ignore that portion?

    • freelily

      Agree. There is no excuse habituating bears and manipulating them with food and smacks in their face. It is very unprofessional behavior.

  • Heather Kramer

    The fact that anyone has to even ask this question is ludicrous.

    YES he should be permitted to continue his research. The data is there in black and white, despite the many attempts by a few to refute it. The DNR does not own the bears any more than anyone else. Anyone who argues in favor of the DNR has never dealt with their legacy of misinformation and blatant disregard for the animals they “maintain”. Apparently for those people, dragging newborn cubs out of dens and passing them around to random people is perfectly acceptable. Shoving needles into the mothers and filling their bodies with immobilising drugs – many of which cause depressive heart rates and induce a marked, drastic change in internal body temperature – this is somehow a better way to obtain biological data? Possibly killing your study subjects? It’s disgusting.

    The WRI is all about money? That’s hysterical! The DNR is rife with capitalism! Let’s look at Landwehr’s home versus Rogers’ and tell me who makes more money.

    This argument is getting old and fast. The WRI will continue whether or not the permit is reinstated, simply because the people all over the world who have learned from this experience will never stop. The people who label WRI supporters as “minions” are indeed examples of the pot calling the kettle black. I support legitimate, humane education. The other guys just enjoy listening to themselves talk and slandering anyone who disagrees.

    • Darkdruid

      I have maintained a civil tone in discussing this issue in many posts here. Please point to where I have slandered anyone or called them names. Because I disagree with you I’m just posting to hear myself talk?

      • Heather Kramer

        Where did I mention your name specifically? Why assume I’m talking about you if you’ve never slandered anyone?

        • Darkdruid

          When you speak in generalities like “the other guys” and “anyone who argues in favor of the DNR” why should I not think it is directed at me?

          • Heather Kramer

            You know Darkdruid, I’m not really capable of deciding what you do or do not take personally. Do you honestly care what I think either way? I doubt it.

          • Darkdruid

            Actually yes I do care, in fact have enjoyed the discussion here with many of the posters. I have been to Ely several times and visited the bear sanctuary with my daughters. I spent my childhood in the mountains of Montana and have had many encounters with bears in the wild. I don’t see the DNR as the bad guy here.

          • Heather Kramer

            Fair enough. But understand that many of the comments being made against this research are not general concerns. They are insulting to the hundreds of thousands of people who have come to understand black bears in an entirely new way. People who know better than ever how to handle themselves in the forest and how to keep bears safe as well. That’s the difference in my eyes – the DNR criticizes the WRI yet they don’t practice what they preach. They are quick to address animal harassment (which does not exist on paper) yet they themselves kill bears they deem to be nuisance animals. And these nuisance animals are simply living their lives, sometimes near humanity. That doesn’t constitute a nuisance. Black bears are notoriously passive. There are always exceptions with wildlife, but if you live in the woods you cannot expect these animals to magically know where the boundary should be…where they should not approach. And their approach doesn’t equate an attack. The WRI tries to dispel these myths! That’s what is so frustrating about this. You may feel the DNR is not at fault, but conversely I absolutely believe the WRI is not.

          • Darkdruid

            I believe Dr. Rogers has not lived up to the conditions of his permit for several years. In his application for this permit he agrees to the framework set by the DNR. The DNR didn’t just arbitrarily deny his permit; they have voiced their concerns in the last 3 permits DR. Rogers applied for. Even with those concerns the DNR still approved those permits in the hopes of Dr. Rogers working to address these concerns.

          • Heather Kramer

            And the WRI has equally voiced their concerns over the commissioner’s refusal to meet with them or work with them. This is not a one way street – that is the issue.

        • Striper Chaser

          Are you talking about me? I think you should look up the term slander. Might help.

          • Heather Kramer

            Right. You’ve never verbally defamed Rogers’, Mansfield or the WRI. You’re a patron saint.

          • Striper Chaser

            So is it defamation or is it slander?

            Defamation—also called calumny, vilification, or traducement—is the communication of a false statement that harms the reputation of an individual, business.

            and

            slander n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed.

            Of course I haven’t defamed anyone because everything I say I know or believe to be true. And as such I haven’t slandered anyone either.

          • Heather Kramer

            You do realize that’s the same explanation that most sociopaths give to justify their behavior. You don’t get to arbitrarily decide what is fact and what is not. I know…I know. You say you have all the facts.

            I think you just like fighting with women.

          • Striper Chaser

            Here we go again. I certainly didn’t justify anything. All I did was state I hadn’t defamed or slandered anyone. You do realize that you just lost every gain you might have made. Truly disappointing.

            In fact simply liking to argue with women would be a misogynist not a sociopath. However, I am neither. You know what I’m about. You can’t counter it so you call names. Just like the rest.

          • Heather Kramer

            No, those are two separate statements. I just happened to add that you like arguing with women. How do I know you are neither? And no Striper…I honest to God don’t know what you are about. I wish I did.

          • Striper Chaser

            You certainly do. I’ve stated what I’m about so often it’s an open book. I don’t care to argue with women – it’s just that the vast majority of people that follow Rogers are women. Probably greater than 95%.

            But when you call me a sociopath you have the burden of proof. I don’t. I know I’m not.

          • Heather Kramer

            I didn’t call you a sociopath, I said your statement sounded like that of a sociopath. We can argue semantics all day long. You will never see my point of view, and I can’t seem to see yours.

            So when the bears are all killed by the DNR because that’s the logical thing to do in their minds, maybe everyone will be happy. For a while anyway.

            Very very disheartening.

          • Striper Chaser

            You will not see any bears killed by the DNR. And you won’t see them killed by hunters.

            Because they will cease to have names. They will simply be bears. If one breaks into a house it may be killed. If one goes in front of a hunter it may be killed.

            How is this any worse than if a bear that is not collared does the same thing?

          • Heather Kramer

            The DNR has already stated that they will continue to destroy nuisance bears. They’ve done it before. The problem is that bears who are absolutely not harming anyone are alleged to by the DNR themselves, and they use that as justification for killing. So now their rationale is that if these so called habituated bears get remotely close to anyone or make anyone uncomfortable (meaning the study bears) then they will likely meet an untimely fate. The problem is the DNR determining what is a threat versus what is typical bear behavior. I have personally been bluff charged. I didn’t become hysterical or call anyone. I left the bear to its own devices and it returned the favor. But for those uneducated in bear behavior (and for a DNR who doesn’t seem interested in educating) this bear could have lost its life. The human will always be valued over every other animal on this planet. It’s a fact.

            The DNR was asked repeatedly to meet with the WRI regarding these permit issues. So somehow they are exempt from the very standards they set for other organizations? We can ignore you if we choose to, then use your lack of information as a means to revoke your permit.

            One other thing..the fact that they use names is a total misnomer. It’s irrelevant. Lily, Bear #25 or ABCD…it’s a label. It’s familiar and easier to remember when you use traditional human names. It doesn’t magically make the bears human or cuddly, and no legitimate follower of this research believes otherwise.

          • freelily

            WTF- you posted:”You do realize that’s the same explanation that most sociopaths give to justify their behavior.” – if this statement doesn’t applies that someone expresses itself as a sociopath then I am from another planet! When it is applied that a person expresses itself as an sociopath then a person can conclude that it has been called a sociopath.
            Heather Kramer you are a one sick puppy!!!

    • Striper Chaser

      This is coming to an end now. Regardless of what a bunch of militant padders say.

      What’s truly astounding is the lack of knowledge – outside or WRI talking points – that you display in regards to science, scientific methods, research done by actual researchers using science, and your absolute lack of knowledge about the true nature of wild.

      Truly astounding when you’re discussing the populace at large. However, par for the course when discussing padders.

      • Heather Kramer

        I rest my case. You can’t even refer to WRI supporters without using names like minions…padders…or any other number of schoolyard labels.

        Lack of knowledge? Right. You don’t even live in MN yet you know everything there is to know about the animals who live there.

        The only astounding issue here is your ego. Go work on destroying any other organization you disagree with. (Since you’re apparently an expert on wildlife.)

        • Striper Chaser

          Very good rebuttal. I feel so small now.

          They refer to themselves as padders. It’s not supposed to be derogatory. I’m surprised that’s what you keyed in on. If I were accused of having no better knowledge of wildlife than you do I’d have taken pains to prove the statement wrong.

          I’m sorry if I mistakenly called you a padder. It’s certainly not a name I’d like associated with me either.

          • Heather Kramer

            To prove it wrong? What good would it do? Do you honestly consider the education or work history of anyone besides yourself? Would it matter to you if I told you I actually have a background in this subject? Do you hate Lynn Rogers so much that anyone who supports or agrees with him is beneath you or ignorant?

          • Striper Chaser

            I don’t hate Lynn Rogers at all. I don’t even know him.

            Would it make a difference to me?

            What would make a difference to me is a reasoned argument. What would make a difference to me is a lack of venom and emotion.

            What would make a difference to me is peer-reviewed science. An understanding of wild animals. Studies of wild animals.

            There are a quite a few questions I’ve asked but haven’t gotten the answers to. That would make a difference.

            Your background would be given credence as well.

            Yes – that all would make a difference to me.

          • Heather Kramer

            You say you don’t hate Rogers, but do you recognize that the allegations made against him could quite literally cost him more than his career. This has been his life for longer than I’ve been alive. It’s his passion. He loves these animals – that’s not lip service. He’s not living in some mansion on a hill, laughing his way to the bank. This is something that means everything to him. The words you have used against him, even though you believe them to be completely true, are beyond hurtful. It’s not taking issue with science. Anyone can and should take issue with science. It’s the methods you’ve chosen to use. I don’t know you well at all. But I’ve seen some of your comments and pictures. I don’t understand how that correlates with a sound argument against collaring bears or feeding bears for research purposes. I am not suggesting you care about me personally, but I am asking you to truly consider how devastating this could be for him..for his family. I hate this animosity. I feel it too! It’s got to stop. And hurting everyone he cares about isn’t going to solve anything. How could it?

          • Striper Chaser

            I don’t care about him personally. Or you. Or his family. What I care about deeply is the affect he has on others. The influence he has on others. And all through unproven research and a use of the web.

            I use those images and my thoughts everyday to ensure it stops – or it’s done properly. I really don’t care which.

            I feel he put his work, his family in jeopardy by not putting in the work. And as such I have no concerns about the rest.

            My true desire is to ensure that the science is done right. And anyone that is concerned with global warming, solar power, fracking, and others should hope for the same at all levels.

            This isn’t about his career. This is about wildlife.

          • Heather Kramer

            If you care about his influence on others, you are in effect saying you care about other people. Just not people like me who think differently.

          • Striper Chaser

            What I mean by that – is what I’m doing is not because of people or Rogers, or anyone from a personal standpoint.

          • moxie

            Then why did you allow the threat against a person in regards to her church. Threatening contact a personschurch to tell them about someone you thought was unChristian was pretty personal. That is one of MANY instances I know of.

          • Striper Chaser

            Please show me a threat? Get real.

          • RT

            Huh? Then why are you doing it? For the good of the planet?

          • Striper Chaser

            Not playing this silly game.

          • Sam I am

            And what are you doing to protect the environment/wildlife in your area, so it’s there for your children to enjoy? Cutting people down because of their beliefs is not productive!

          • Striper Chaser

            This is your concern why? I don’t think I’ll allow it to be.

          • Don- Minn- Jay

            proud LILYPADDER here. its the ””’militant”” i believe she was talking about. dont twist her words. not nice.

        • Striper Chaser

          I knew it was only a matter of time. I’ve seen this same tact with others. They get frustrated because they cannot answer any of the points made.

      • Don- Minn- Jay

        name calling again :(

        • Striper Chaser

          Where?

  • Darkdruid

    So where do we go from here……is there any middle ground the DNR and Dr. Rogers can find? Going to court isn’t going to serve any side; in fact I’m sure which ever side loses will appeal. Would/Could the 2 sides agree to continued use of the tracking collars but no contact/feeding of the bears other than to maintain the collars/change batteries?

    • Heather Kramer

      I wish there were. But there is such animosity at this rate, the people against the research would probably target the DNR next. And I’m sure they are quite aware of that. It’s no longer about collaring versus non collared bears…it’s now about shutting down the WRI for good because some people have that much hatred for the organization. I don’t hate the DNR. I am angry with the DNR. Yet people like me are classified as being mindless followers because we have differing opinions.

    • Striper Chaser

      I think Rogers should have accepted the DNR’s decision. He should have then taken time to write and get his data peer- reviewed.

      Once he had a couple of papers published he could have then petitioned the DNR to grant him a new permit.

      It’s too late for that. The collission course is on.

      • Heather Kramer

        Why do you always have to be so fatalistic with your comments? Why can’t you just say you think it’s run its course. Why are you always so hurtful?

        • Striper Chaser

          What was hurtful? I think this is what he should have done. However once he went to court it’s too far gone.

          • Heather Kramer

            Just the whole “collision course”…I don’t know. It never feels like its coming from a place of genuine concern about animals, their rights, the environment, etc. It always feels like its a personal vendetta. I don’t understand that.

          • Striper Chaser

            My genuine concern is not for any individual animal. My concern is for species welfare. And not only for the species but the interlock of species – plural – how they work and their habitiat. There is no personal vendetta. It’s more than possible that after being called misogynist, sociopath, narcissist, psychopath by so many people simply because of my beliefs that I’ve become coarsened and quite impatient.

          • Heather Kramer

            It’s equally insulting to be called a Kool Aid drinker and minion. I understand.

          • Striper Chaser

            I’m always willing to step back from the names and have a discussion. I have been since the beginning.

            I actually never thought it would go this far. I thought for sure there would be some articles published. Their record from the past says there would be.

          • Don- Minn- Jay

            then why have you put up websites to mock the researchers or people who support the research ? last time i looked, they were still there. if your mantra of ”its all about the published papers” is really true, prove it. we are waiting….

          • Striper Chaser

            OK. Here’s the proof – where are the published papers – peer reviewed pertaining to special permit 16868? Once you show those to me I’ll take it down.

          • Don- Minn- Jay

            an you have never called people names ? in fact mocking people who follow the research or donate ?

          • Striper Chaser

            Don – when you’re innocent in this then speak to me.

          • freelily

            Don J….w… you have been mocking anyone not agreeing with WRI from the day one. Playing stupid, pretending to be innocent, well, you are what you are… no comment..

          • freelily

            It comes only from a place of genuine concern about animals- their rights, the environment, etc. – what is it that you don’t understand about that it is not right to handle new born cubs, hit them on their noses so they will get afraid of you and then feed them so they will come back again and again for more beating? The list of abuse those bears WRI researched is long. DNR knows about it. So please stop with the “personal vendetta- that we are getting from people like you or the “paddies”.

        • freelily

          Just because he has different opinion doesn’t mean he is hurtful. What is wrong with you woman? If we are fatalistic so are you!!
          It did run its course!! DNR removed his permit. They warned him about it !! Just because you don’t like their decision doesn’t mean it is wrong. It is the right decision and the only one!

      • Stephen F. Stringham, PhD

        He has published papers recently. In any event, the issue is not whether he should take time off to write, but whether he has enough years of data on specific phenomena. Each year’s data may count as just one point on a graph. It took 22 yrs of data for even the most basic functioning of the Yellowstone Grizzly population to be revealed. J. Craighead and his colleagues did not publish their findings until over 20 years after their fieldwork in Yellowstone ended — prematurely due to politics — because of the need to start other projects in other places to fill in the data gaps. Keep in mind that Charles Darwin waited something like 20 years to publish his major findings. DNR should be helping Rogers not hindering him. The amount of time, energy and money wasted on dealing with political attacks is the primary reason he has not published more.

        Stephen F. Stringham, PhD
        Director – Bear Viewing Assoc
        Director – Bear Communication & Coexistence Research Program

        • Striper Chaser

          I have seen much in the way of the opposite. However, a link would be very helpful.

    • Beth123B

      Unfortunately, that would negate a great deal of Dr. Roger’s research, which is based on walking with the bears and studying their daily lives. They are acclimated enough to him and some of his assistants that they ignore the humans who are walking with them. This year, that kind of research is proving difficult, since it’s a great food year (the best Dr. Rogers has seen in 20 years), and the bears aren’t interested in coming to the researchers for nuts. If the researchers can’t make contact with the bears, they can’t walk with them.

      • Darkdruid

        So the all or nothing approach of going to court is the answer? Also one of the issues the DNR has is the fact that Dr. Rogers and his assistants are using nuts to get the bears to come to them. This acclimation to humans isn’t benefiting the bears.

  • Stephen F. Stringham, PhD

    YES

    Continent wide, bear viewing generates hundreds of millions of dollars to economies, especially in relatively remote communities that serve as gateways to bear viewing sites. Tens of thousands of people view bears, usually at such close range that the bears could attack if they wanted. Furthermore, each day of each summer in Alaska, thousands of anglers also encounter bears.

    To keep people same in these situations, without excessive aggression towards bears — aggression that can backfire and increase risk of human injury by bears or by bullets — we need to better understand bear behavior. I study this with brown bears; Dr. Lynn Rogers studies it with black bears. Before people start passing judgement on his research, they should learn more about it. Keep in mind that he has published more scientific journal papers on black bears than just about any other biologist in the world –far more than most of those who presume to judge him.

    As to the notion that bears which receive food from Lynn automatically expect to get food from other people: This is mere speculation which has yet to be backed up with proof. In my experience working with hundreds of black and brown/grizzly bears, these animals are highly selective in how they interact with people and where they do so. I have seen black bears accept food from anyone who offers it at a garbage dump, but refuse to let anyone near them 5 feet away from the dump. The issue is not whether some bear that Rogers’ worked with approaches a person or causes property damage, but whether Rogers working with that bear made it more likely to less likely than other bears to put people or property at risk. For reasons far too complicated to address here, his interactions with bears appear to reduce both risks. More more information, consult the website bear-viewing-in-alaska.info and the facebook page Bear Watchers.

    Stephen F. Stringham, PHD

    Director – Bear Viewing Association

    Director – Bear Communication & Coexistence Research Program

  • Kintyer

    Absolutely. If Dr. Rogers were to discontinue how work right now, Black Bears will continue to behave as Black Bears. Studies in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and even Canada show that Black Bears will look to human garbage, gardens and handouts, if they can get them, in times of hunger and continuous encroachment. That’s without Dr. Rogers research methods being involved. Black Bears also love backyard pools, ponds, birdbaths and bird feeders. This has nothing to do with Dr. Rogers. It has everything to do with common sense and becoming educated about how to interact (or not) with wildlife in your area. Wild animals continue their wild and instinctual behavior whether there are diversionary feeding spots or not. None of the collared Bears studied by Dr. Rogers have ever been in trouble or tagged by the misnomer “nuisance Bears” so why on Earth should his work not continue? I support studying wild life in this respectful and none-interfering manner. Please continue with this project.

    • Striper Chaser

      I agree with everything except for continuing with Rogers’ research which causes human interactions and interference with wild animals. It’s unproven through any scientific methodologies and peer-review and as such cannot be used for management purposes.

      Science is much more than common sense.

      • Abby

        Chris, why don’t you post under your real name, instead of Striper? What are you hiding from?

        • Striper Chaser

          I’m hiding from people that have called work. And threatened much more. Though Christopher I remain.

          • abby

            I guess calling, writing, DNR and e-mailing Dr. Rogers and Sue, and working so hard to bring down the research if it’s not done to your specifications is different. So you can call their boss’s and it’s ok. You can PM people with hateful rants and that’s ok. Gottcha

          • abby

            It’s ok to mess with someone else’s lively hood but just don’t do it to you. Ok

          • Striper Chaser

            Heather you’re not that ignorant.

          • Striper Chaser

            Abby – I’m not messing with a livelihood. The DNR provides a permit for research. Not for livelihood.

            And if the good doctor had done the work there would be no issue.

            And if you think this bothers me after all this time. Well, you’d be wrong.

          • Guest

            but you retired! liar

  • K. Sandie

    Yes! Dr. Lynn Rogers is providing valuable research and data to people everywhere. He is not “hand feeding” bears to change collars or take heart rates. He is offering a handful of nuts as a distraction, that’s it. People that live in the area are choosing/not choosing to offer diversionary feeding on their PRIVATE property. Dr. Rogers is not making people feed bears! The DNR sees no problem with this–, and has continually ignored this fact. If the bears (ALL bears in the area, not only study bears) were seeking food from humans, why are people in the area saying they are not seeing ANY bears? The food this year is very abundant, and bears are foraging naturally- which they prefer to do over eating seed residents have put out on their property.

    • Striper Chaser

      No he’s not. Here’s what he’s doing –

      “We tame them essentially by feeding them. They’re like squirrels. You feed them, and they tame down. Then you stop feeding them, and they’re still tame.” – Dr. Lynn Rogers

    • Striper Chaser

      “We tame them essentially by feeding them. They’re like squirrels. You feed them, and they tame down. Then you stop feeding them, and they’re still tame.” – Dr. Lynn Rogers

    • Striper Chaser

      “We tame them essentially by feeding them. They’re like squirrels. You feed them, and they tame down. Then you stop feeding them, and they’re still tame.” – Dr. Lynn Rogers

  • Lori C.

    ‘You can’t have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.’ For those who choose to come here and try to negate Dr. Rogers’ work with NO facts to back up their statements: Before inserting foot in mouth, read ALL of the papers Dr. Rogers has published, read ALL of the information on the Wildlife Research Institute’s website, view ALL of the videos IN THEIR ENTIRETY (not just seconds-long clips that can be interpreted any way one chooses), and read ALL of the 80-page complaint filed with the MN courts. Then maybe an intelligent discussion could be held on the pros and cons. And the MN DNR would do well to do the same…

    • Striper Chaser

      Let me put it like this. There are absolutely no peer-reviewed publications on this website pertaining to the special permit. I challenge anyone to find them.

      What you would do well to do would be to educate yourself in science. In the meantime I’ve decided you are simply another cheerleader.

      • Striper Chaser

        Lynn Rogers’ career boiled down…

        “We tame them essentially by feeding them. They’re like squirrels. You feed them, and they tame down. Then you stop feeding them, and they’re still tame.” – Dr. Lynn Rogers

        • kimbr

          Funny, the lady down the road tames the deer. They eat out of her hands all year long. But when someone else approaches, they run off. Tame by one, doesn’t always necessarily mean tame by all. Regardless, where is the DNR’s when it comes to all the locals who have been feeding these same bears for 50 year? Lynn tosses them some nuts in the woods and feeds them at his cabin. Then the other neighbors feed them and more and more neighbors feed them. Not all the neighbors do, no. But a lot of them do, and we aren’t talking a handful of nuts. They basically have troughs of food set up to feed the bears. Where is *their* blame in habituating the bears? Why isn’t the DNR telling them all to stop feeding the bears if there are problems? Why is Lynn the only target?

          • kimbr

            Also, the DNR is all but begging people to not harm their prized research/collared bear. She has been getting closer and closer to public areas and residences. They don’t want her to die because her information is invaluable to them. So they are fighting as hard as they can to protect her. Funny, they make fun of Lynn for doing the same thing and his information can be just as important and simply seeing how old a bear can live to be.

          • Striper Chaser

            Please find me a quote where they make fun of Lynn Rogers.

          • kimbr

            They aren’t going to do it in the media. They’ve said it to plenty of people in person though, I know several people personally who have had various DNR CO’s make inappropriate comments about Lynn to their faces. They find it ridiculous that he would attempt to protect his bears, as being killed is a normal part of a bears life. Even though their bear is old it’s still possible it’ll be her fate as well. But they want to protect what is theirs.

          • Striper Chaser

            Well without a quote and a link I don’t think I’ll let that bother me too much.

          • kimbr

            Of course not, because not living in MN you don’t have to deal with the constant arrogant attitude the MN DNR has, especially the COs that deal with the public. The things that are said in the media really matter the *least* because between media bias and altered behavior in front of a microphone, we rarely get any truth from anyone. But I’ve dealt with them, and so have other people. Since it’s an issue between us MN taxpayers and the people whose salaries we pay, it matters to a lot of us.

          • Striper Chaser

            I’m against all taming and feeding. And what that lady down the road has done is assured the deer aren’t scared of human scent. Good deal. Wonder how she’ll feel when it’s lack of natural fear of man means she’s the first to go.

            Lynn Rogers had a special permit. With a special permit comes special responsibilities. They went unfulfilled so now no permit.

          • kimbr

            I know you are against it. But that doesn’t answer the question, does it? If the DNR is going to insist that Lynn’s habituation of the bears is his doing due to his feeding of them, then why are they not holding the locals responsible who are the ones who started feeding them? The ones who continue to feed them even knowing the DNR is blaming Lynn for all the so-called bear problems?

            And if the lady feeding the deer has made them unafraid of human scent, why do they scatter like scared deer, as they should, as soon as we approach? Why is this one lady the only one who can feed them and yet they react as expected to unknown people?

          • Striper Chaser

            What does scattering have to do with not being afraid of human scent pray tell? Do you think hunters walk up with apples?

            I’d like to see the DNR hold anyone habituating bears responsible. However, habituation is a very small part of my issues. My issues are lack of scientific methodologies, lack of peer-review. Also taming bears and calling them representative of wild bears.

            What the people of Ely/ENT do is not a matter of my concern.

            However, the DNR has explained their concerns.

          • abby

            Definition of narcissism

            egocentricity, egocentrism, egomania, egotism, egoism, navel-gazing, self-absorption, self-centeredness, self-concern, self-interest, self-involvement, selfishness, selfness, self-preoccupation, self-regard. Someone who thinks he knows it all Something to look into Striper

          • Striper Chaser

            Oh, I’m hurt Abby. You’re very original.

      • LRM

        Publication was never a written condition of the permit. But he did author/co-author 4 peer-reviewed articles in recent years – 2007 / 2011 / 2011/ 2012 ~~ all pertaining to permitted activities

        • Darkdruid

          If you are referring to the 4 articles he mentions in his court documents 2 are written by someone else that mentions his research in passing. Another he is the author but focuses on a disease that has no connection to his permit. The 4th I was unable to locate so can’t comment either way on.

          • Beth123B

            The information on the disease came about as a direct result of his research. A bear in his study died of it, and they were able to get permission to have the body necropsied,

        • Striper Chaser

          No. That’s wrong. Not one of them pertain to Special Permit 16868. The last two cover letters made it a condition. And in his 2008 reply to the DNR he said he’s going to publish.

          However, I’d love to see these papers that pertain to this permit?

      • Dixie

        You beat a dead horse just as you attacked me.
        Christopher has now had me banned from posting on facebook for 3 days. He wasn’t content to just shoot me in the heart because of the sudden death of my daughter, he had to emphasize the pain by whining to facebook about me and got me banned. Too embarassed to have others know what he said here. I hope the word spreads and he loses forever the dishonest credibility he thinks is due his tremendous ego. Mean through and through.

    • Darkdruid

      The issue with the permit is published papers on information gathered from the permit. It’s not about what he published before the permit or studies not related to his permit. I’m not negating his work I’m pointing out he is not living up to the framework of the permit he agreed to with the DNR.

  • Beth123B

    Of course the permit should be reviewed! Dr. Rogers uses the same type of methodology as Jane Goodall uses with chimps. She was also vilified at first, but is now acknowledged as one of the leading researchers of chimpanzees. Because he is doing something that has never been done before, the DNR has decided that his methods are wrong and detrimental. Destroying the life’s work of a 74 year old man because you don’t agree with him is just wrong!

    • Striper Chaser

      Your first argument is wrong. Goodall determined feeding her subjects was wrong.

      Your second point is simply ridiculous. So once you get to a certain age – even if you don’t put in the work – you can’t be criticized? He gets tenure for life?

      • Dixie Thompson Senft

        Christopher has now had me banned from posting on facebook for 3 days. He wasn’t content to just shoot me in the heart because of the sudden death of my daughter, he had to emphasize the pain by whining to facebook about me and got me banned. Too embarassed to have others know what he said here. I hope the word spreads and he loses forever the dishonest credibility he thinks is due his tremendous ego. Mean through and through.

    • Stephen F. Stringham, PhD

      Good point Beth123B. Rogers should be allowed to devote his final years of work to pulling together all that he has learned over the past half-century of research, not badgered on trivia.

      One complaint is that one black bear “stalked” a woman as she walked along a road for over a quarter-mile. However, strip away the hype and the only facts available are that the bear walked on a parallel course — i.e., along the bear trail that parallels the road. Had she switched directions, and then the bear did the same, she could validly conclude that the bear was monitoring her — apparently out of curiosity. Just as some people enjoy watching bears, some bears may enjoy watching us. Nothing sinister in that. But no evidence of even curiosity in this case. From the bear’s perspective, perhaps she was the stalker.

      I have had black and especially brown/grizzly bears not only walk on a parallel course to mine, but approach to within a few yards of me on countless occasions, without any of them trying to harm me. On the contrary, most are exceedingly gentle — much as in the video show here with Dr. Rogers and a yearling cub “Fern.”

      Had the woman in question learned what Dr. Rogers is trying to teach, she could have enjoyed the experience rather than being frightened by it.

      That same woman’s husband allegedly freaked out when he encountered a sow sitting by a tree — whereupon he raced his bicycle to Dr. Rogers’ office, burst in, and said that he had just had a staring match with the bear. Had he bothered attending one of Rogers’ courses, he would have learned that sitting down is one way that bears tried to appease on another and sometimes people. It is about as non-confrontation as a bear can be. She may have had cubs up that tree, and may have been guarding him. But her seated posture was equivalent to blowing trumpets before announcing that she wanted no trouble. The fact that the woman and her husband are bear-illiterate is their fault, not his. If anything, they should be trying to learn from him.

      If people look at each complaint, strip away the hype and look at just the raw facts, they can easily see that nearly all complaints are tornadoes a tumbler.

      To Rogers’ critics: If and when the day comes that you run into a bear face to face, you may well wish that you had learned everything you could from him. Keep in mind that you might not have a gun with you or even if you had a gun, that you would be able to get a shot at the bear. Knowledge is power; bear-wise knowledge can save your life.

      Stephen F. STringham
      WildWatch LLC
      Director – Bear Viewing Assoc
      Director – Bear Communication & Coexistence Research Program

      • Darkdruid

        I agree with your points about being educated/prepared if you encounter a bear; it most definitely and has saved many lives. I know what my grandfather and parents have taught me about encountering bears in Montana has served me well on many occasions. However I still find that the DNR is correct in this matter and this course of action shouldn’t have been a surprise to Dr. Rogers since it has been mentioned on the last 3 permit renewals. Too many people on this forum have tried to make out the DNR or Dr. Rogers as the enemy that must be vanquished but that really isn’t the case. You have a passionate individuals on both sides of this issue all who believe they have the best interests of the black bear at heart. Sadly a court is probably the worst place for this issue to be decided.

        • Stephen F. Stringham, PhD

          I think the answer is for DNR and Rogers to sign a contract that, within the next three years, Dr. Rogers will submit X new papers to peer reviewed scientific journals and within five years will have that many in print. X should be based on what is considered a normal publication rate for wildlife biologists without institutional support — unless DNR is willing to provide support. The human safety issue is bogus, since there is no evidence that his activities increase risk that any of his study bears will injure any human or damage any property. Instead, his work increases human safety overall. This isn’t to say that some bear he works with might not some day get into trouble; but that could occur with any bear. Again, the issue is whether he increases risk, which he has apparently not done.

          All those who criticize Rogers for not publishing more should do everything they can to facilitate publication. If, at the end of three years he has not submitted X papers, then cancel his permit. Same if he has not published X papers by the end of 5 years.

          A good place to start with facilitating publication would be recruiting a team of grad students to take responsibility for analyzing specific data sets under his direction. He should have enough data for numerous students to earn masters theses. DNR might fund the students, at least in part. Then, when Rogers retires full, perhaps one or more of those students can pick up where he leaves off, instead of his whole project being killed.

          • Striper Chaser

            I’m sorry – it’s been 15 years. And now three more? And then what?

            I’ve been pushing these people to write for over a year and a half. They have no data worth publishing.

            I’d love for you to look over their data. I’d love for you to look at the complete record of work.

            You really need to know who is criticizing and why.

          • RT

            Wow…So now you are qualified to question a published biologist and wildlife expert? Really? And since when did it become your responsibility to “push these people” to write or publish?

          • Striper Chaser

            It’s the responsibility of all people that see public resources used to ensure they are used wisely. And it’s as much my right as yours to comment on it.

          • Dixie Thompson Senft

            The only “public resource” being used are the bears and Dr Rogers is not the one targeting them for shooting. She he isn’t the one wasting resources, and neither are the hunters, because the DNR is in the business of providing game for hunters.

            However I will repost this occassionally. Since you took a shot at me using the sudden death of my only daughter as a weapon I will keep making sure your public knows you are just an aggitator who has no interest in the crap you are touting, you just want to win at any cost. You are not a scientist but you are good at using others words, like most narcissists, to pretend you know things and you know nothing except your own ego.

            Christopher has now had me banned from posting on facebook for 3 days. He wasn’t content to just shoot me in the heart because of the sudden death of my daughter, he had to emphasize the pain by whining to facebook about me and got me banned. Too embarassed to have others know what he said here. I hope the word spreads and he loses forever the dishonest credibility he thinks is due his tremendous ego. Mean through and through.

          • RT

            That is not what I asked. I asked about your qualifications to question an educated biologist. Are you published, have you spent years doing research and are you an expert on wildlife?
            You can comment on anything you like (as if you haven’t), that is your right, however, the people that are answering the question with their thoughts and opinions, have that same right.
            What you don’t have the right to do is twist their words and tell them that what they are saying is right or wrong. You don’t speak for everyone. You can only speak for yourself. Your thoughts and opinions are yours and yours alone.

          • Googler

            They don’t answer to you, idiot

      • Striper Chaser

        Dr. Stringham far be it from me to question your expertise but I find your reasoning fairly weak. The man is not putting out the work. And we should just allow him to continue cause he’s old? Makes no sense to me.

        Have you read the work he has done over the last 15 years of work? Have you read the “updates”?

        I think you really should look at their work. And even more at how they do it.

        Take a look at the video. Take a look at the images of bears fed from the mouth. Dancing with children. Teaching children to feed bears from their mouths.

        Take a look at the video not for how he hit the bear but for his “scientific” experiment in bear taste testing. It’s pretty embarrassing.

  • Dxie

    For sure Dr Rogers at Wildlife Research Institute should retain his permit. Regardless of the lawsuit of the DNR, the DNR acted arbitrarilly in granting sucha short permit for 2013 and then openly admiting on a community page on facebook that they were planning the removal and that it would be a “battle”. So they were expecting exactly what is happening. For the hate/revenge people to post on every statement over and over is what they have put on their community and blog pages over and over and over. Many persons of that vengeful narrow minded community page have several facebook accounts in various names (just as they are doing on here) and have posted gross photoshop images of Dr Rogers and Sue Mansfield as well as saying disgusting hateful hurtful things about them. They say hateful hurtful things to and about anyone who disagrees with them. They then delete all the vituperative junk and clean up their page for a day and then it starts all over again. Too many have just allowed them to do as they wish, without retribution and without even refuting their nonsense, and have said “ignore the, they will go away”. Well they haven’t gone away, and have done great harm to Dr Rogers and his research that needs to be addressed. If courts of law is the only recourse to get Dr Rogers the permit he needs to continue his research then so be it. As for Christopher Mihans/Striper Chaser/NC Mouthpiece/Bounty/ and his so so many other names and accounts, he just asks the same inane questions over and over in his little ego boosting tirades . Where is the research and where is the science and where is the peer reviewed? He asks as though someone owes him an answer, andsets himself up as the judge of what science is. His whole contingency of followers only numbers about 10 most with several account names to swell their numbers. Every poster on that site has a grudge to bear against Dr Rogers and are nothing more than revenge seekers and they play into the narcissism of “striper Chaser”. Anyone on this nice question site who give credence to his postings probably hasn’t gone to bear.org and educated themselves as to the research and what has been learned and the respect for his research worldwide. The are a sad little bunch of revenge seekers, each with their own agenda for payback against Dr Rogers. They care nothing for th ebears or science, it is all about self satisfaction.
    I was forced to sign this as guest but is am Dixie Thompson Senft.

    • Darkdruid

      Both sides knew this was coming so it’s kind of hard to berate the DNR for preparing for this eventuality. Unfortunately there are several people on both sides of this issue that have acted in a deplorable fashion however that doesn’t mean that everyone that disagrees with you should be discounted as such.

    • Striper Chaser

      As we see the names bandied about here we know the nature of these people. They have nothing positive to say. Especially this one. But it’s ok.

      • abby

        Chris your up against some experts and the masses of support. Give it up and go give your wife some attention. She needs it more than you do

        • Striper Chaser

          Experts? Please you people are as vapid and banal as the research. I tell you you all make me laugh.

          • Dixie

            Chris you are such a hoot. You say th esame things endlessly month after month and learn new words and use them endlessly also. You are like a juvenile parrot. You get your science from your resident scientist, your law education from your lawyer mom, your animal info from your resident hunter, your NABC diatribe from the ex-employee etc. etc. You repeat yourself to the point of nausea and that is your right. Just wanted you to know that you are as entertaining and as believable as a road runner cartoon.

          • Striper Chaser

            The problem, Dixie, you, nor Rogers have an answer. Which is why his permit wasn’t renewed.

          • Dixie

            I am not googler and would never have outed your family. You on the other hand feel free to state anything about my loss. You are a heartless evil being. And yes I just called you a name. Anyone reading here is likely thinking the same thing.

          • Striper Chaser

            You, Kathryn, Linda, all of you were in this together. You can live with it, so can I.

          • Dixie

            So because you achieved pain for me, you or your hate group, went ahead and got me banned from facebook for 3 days? Facebook is the main way I stay in touch with some of the loved ones who have been holding me up in my grievous loss. Everyone looking at facebook needs to know you for who and what you really are. Ego and neacissism are so sick on your hide. I will now not ever stop checking and keep every darn word you utter or type. Sooner or later you will go too far, if you haven’t already. If I were those witches of facebook who “like” every utterance out of you, I would watch my back. You Mihans are a heartless backstabber. I won’t forget the jab or the banning. And I won’t stop praying about you either.

          • Striper Chaser

            Seems to me your playing the sympathy card a little much now. I don’t need your prayers. And to be a backstabber we would have had to be friends to start with. Don’t you think?

          • Striper Chaser

            Where is the research, Dixie? Oh, sorry to hear about your daughter. I understand you were estranged? Must be doubly hard for you to lose her after not really being there with her.

            I hope you’re coping well.

          • Googler

            Sorry to hear about your brother and sister’s arrests for drugs, Christopher Mihans. That must have been hard for you. Was it meth or heroin?

          • Striper Chaser

            Neither one. It was pot.

          • Striper Chaser

            Did you get out of foreclosure, Kathryn?

          • Dixie Thompson Senft

            That is one of your dirtiest yet. In case readers do not know, my daughter passed away suddenly on the 15 of this month and took a huge chunk of my heart with her. We were not estranged in any way and had been together a few days before at our extended family reunion. Where you get your crappy non info from I can’t say, but you do have a real talent for causing as much pain as you can figure out to do. Do you have a heart in that narcissistic body of yours anywhere?
            People this is the sort of thing the bounty group has done over and over and this was even a mild one (not for me, but as things he has done over time). Beware of the garbage he hauls out and stirs up to make a big stink. He excells at rotten scatology!!

          • Linda L. Evick

            Dixie I am so very sorry he said that about your loss. I believe he needs to get his facts straight before posting something he knows absolutely nothing about. Again, I am so sorry for your loss.

          • Striper Chaser

            What I find truly funny is all this mourning and upset that is playing out in public.

          • Googler

            Im not Dixie, Binky Bear and Christopher Mihans you said on your hate page that anything that’s public information can be posted so because you said that heartless thing about Dixie’s daughter who just died then you get your brother and sister brought into it. just like you did when you posted people’s personal pictures and talked about people’s bankrupcies

          • Dixie Thompson Senft

            Christopher has now had me banned from posting on facebook fo r3 days. He wasn’t content to just shoot me in the heart he had to emphasize the pain by whining to facebook about me and got me banned. Too embarassed to have others knwo what he said here. I hope the word spreads and he loses forever the dishonest credibility he thinks is due his tremendous ego. Mean and non empathetic!

          • Googler

            He is heartless . He says the cruelest thing he could say to you and then he thought you were me and reported you to facebook. I’m not sorry I mentioned his family because it’s public information and he said that’s fair expect when it comes to him. he has been harassing people for years.

          • Striper Chaser

            Hello Kathryn Milliken.

          • Googler

            I’m not Kathryn either and you and I have never spoken. you don’t know how many people you’ve hurt, do you

          • Striper Chaser

            I don’t care.

          • Striper Chaser

            LOL. I truly don’t care. It’s pretty funny actually. Dixie and Linda going on and on about how hurt they are.

            You copying and pasting.

            And yet at the end of the day – you still can’t point to peer-reviewed research. You still have a hole in you filled by the bears.

            And at the end of the day, when the permit is gone, you’ll still be someone I don’t care about. Just words on a page.

            Thank you for thinking you could bother me. Anything else?

          • Striper Chaser

            I’ll take that as a no. Truly a great show put on by you and the rest. Old Dixie crying away on Linda’s shoulder. I mean this was good. I’d darned near give you all the oscar if there was such a thing for facebook acting and Christian Charity. I’ll leave you with this – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnzTilqrVlQ

          • Ariel T

            Your disrespect of someone that recently lost a loved one is really hurtful and unnecessary. I sincerely hope that you will never have to experience this type of pain. If you truly don’t care about anyone that opposes your view or opinion and nothing bothers you, then why do you keep on with your incessant rants. What’s the point? As long as you believe in what you are saying and nothing will change your mindset, then it shouldn’t matter what others say or believe.

          • Striper Chaser

            Perhaps you should realize that these women are playing you as they go after me. Or perhaps you’re a part of it?

          • Striper Chaser

            If you think my skin is that thin…you truly haven’t been around long enough. The game’s chess. You’re still playing checkers. An amateur you remain.

          • Striper Chaser

            By the way – bankruptcies has a t. You can just cut and paste.

  • Linda Spyhalski

    Yes, Dr. Rogers should retain his permit! Three reasons: The education of children and adults all around the world about Minnesota and the bears, the financial gain to our state and the Ely Area, and the fact that our state has so much to gain and nothing to lose by allowing him to continue his work! Can you imagine that we have this treasure in our state and no state money has been used to develop or run it! I am ashamed of the DNR for attacking Dr. Rogers and Gov Dayton for not listening to him and his many supporters. He should have been treated with respect as should have his supporters who have never been given a chance to publicly defend our support for The Bear Center. No one is listening and we pay taxes and care deeply about the future of our state.

    • freelily

      He can continue the education. DNR didn’t attacked anyone and Governor Dayton has enough brains to know what is right and what is not. Have you seen the video when the “researcher” slaps an innocent bear? Is that what you are talking about an education for the children? To hit and abuse innocent animals? Ha, what is wrong with you?

      • Beth123B

        The video you mention is not one of Dr. Rogers researchers. The DNR is lying about it in order to discredit Dr. Rogers. The person in the video was a visitor, and the researchers had no idea that he was abusing the bear until the video was posted.

        • Striper Chaser

          You’re right. The video was of Lynn Rogers. Not one of his resarchers.

          • Beth123B

            Have you even seen the video? I have. Do you know what Dr. Rogers looks like? I do. The abuser in the video was NOT Dr, Rogers.

          • Striper Chaser

            OK. You’re joking. I get it.

          • Beth123B

            After some double-checking, I’ve realized that we’re discussing two different videos. I have never seen the one you’re talking about, but here is what Dr. Rogers has to say about it:

            “2-year-old Juliet took a swipe at me, and I reflexively swiped back. We both missed. We made up a couple minutes later. Working closely with bears was a learning process for both me and the bears. Each bear has a different personality. Juliet is prone to blustery expressiveness, and I recognize that now. At 2 years of age, she was just getting over her year of anxiety that follows family break-up. We built mutual trust—to an extent. That was all back in 2005.

            Fast forward 8 years to 2 days ago. Still radio-collared, 10-year-old Juliet heard my voice deep in the woods and came to me. The trust continues. The complaints about me mistreating the bears I collar grew out of that one unrepresentative videotaped incident that a disgruntled ex-employee recently released to Facebook, generating concern among viewers who didn’t know the whole story. The DNR has now stated in a newspaper article that this incident from 2005 was what they referred to as “extremely unprofessional behavior” in their June 28 letter stating why they are ending my research. It is helpful to know what we are dealing with.”

          • Striper Chaser

            No one gets the problem with his video. It’s not about abuse. It’s about the absolute lack of science in setting up the experiment. And that I care deeply about.

          • Susan Kline

            Seriously, Christopher? You have been using that video to play the “abuse” card all along, and now you are saying that it is NOT about the abuse? Please make up your mind. And you still haven’t answered the question posted earlier. Are you a scientist or an educator? I think you are simply a pot-stirrer……….

          • Striper Chaser

            You really should read what I’ve said. I’ve never called abuse. Others have. The importance of this video lies with what it says about his research. Or lack there of.

          • Susan Kline

            And maybe you should read what I’ve said. I said that you have been using the video to “play the abuse card”. Most of those who have commented on the video are talking about abuse, not poor research methods. You know exactly what I mean.

          • Striper Chaser

            I just said that. I just said others have. That’s their opinion. I’ve given you mine. For which you apparently have no answer.

          • wwhhooo!

            Susan when he tells you to read what he has written, it won’t do you any good to look at his hate site because he “cleans” it often. So only the ones who capture every word posted on there have the evidence of his rantings and diatribes. You should read some of the hateful disgusting things he has said to and about Sue Mansfield and Dr Rogers. Some of it would curl the hair of decent people, so no, he doesn’t care about the bears or the research. It is simply a protest he has joined and his ego keeps him clinging. A real study for someone someday.

          • Striper Chaser

            Hey Dixie – can’t wait for Monday. I’ll never have to see your old words again after the rejection of the suit. Going to be a fine, fine day.

            You’ve always been a crazy old whack job – and apparently you always will be.

          • Charlie

            An interesting case for psychologists it seems

          • Striper Chaser

            So you’re saying one has to be a scientist or a teacher to comment on this? To understand the inadequate nature of this experiment? Get real.

          • Susan Kline

            No, someone else had asked that question, and did not get a reply. I think people are curious as to what qualifies you to question anyone’s research methods. And by the way, I AM real, “Striper Chaser”.

          • Lauren

            What do you know about research? Are you a scientist?How much do you know about bears?Have you published anything? Are you in that field of work?

            I see 100 of your comments….always the same….you seem into hitting back more than into making fair, raisonnable or constructive comments….

      • Heather Kramer

        There was zero abuse, has been zero abuse. Anyone with any logic can see that. You see what you want to see. If the very same video showed any of the DNR researchers in the same situation, you’d be singing their praises.

        • Striper Chaser

          The issue is – there was a “scientific” experiment going on at the time. Except for most high school science classes could do a much better job of setting up a “bear taste test”.

          The man should be ashamed.

        • Striper Chaser

          And also – I would not be singing their praises. I’ve criticized them as well.

      • Linda Spyhalski

        I am a Minnesota taxpayer and have every right to my own opinion! When something of this level comes up I believe the DNR owes us the right of a public hearing. I do not believe from my experince that written items are read by the DNR or possibly the Governor. We deserved a voice in this matter. By not listening and not coming to an agreement we now face a long and drawned out lawsuit. No one will win and this will cost more tax dollars. I’m glad you think Gov Dayton has brains because I worked hard to get him elected, I just think he made a mistake on this! I also worked in education for 25 years so I think I know something about that too!

        • Striper Chaser

          I’m very scared for the youth of this nation if you think this is research and education.

          There will be a winner. The bears and science and education will win when the judge puts this to rest.

          • Linda Spyhalski

            I used the word education because that is what the majority of us have gained from Dr. Rogers. I, too, am scared for our youth who will lose a very special way to observe nature at it’s best. Not sure where you are from but many, many students will never have the opportunity to learn about the gentle giants, the Black Bears of Northern Mn. if cams are removed from classrooms.

          • Striper Chaser

            You have not. What you’ve gotten is anecdote after anecdote night after night.

            True education is built on solid research – with the methods and the data peer-reviewed.

          • Lauren

            Are you a scientist?

          • Striper Chaser

            I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

          • RT

            Are you a scientist or educator?

          • Striper Chaser

            I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

          • Dixie

            LOL, no. He is an internet technician. It is a college lab researcher he gets his “science” word from. He can be laughable, when not being annoying.

          • Striper Chaser

            I’m not an internet technician, whatever that is.

  • Ariel T

    Yes. I believe Dr Rogers should be able to retain his permit and continue to research and study the radio collared bears.

    I do have a question: who is this Striper Chaser person that has a comment for everyone and everything? Would he also be part of that Bounty group, where I read that the would be nothing but a target and would not be spared now, as they were in the past and by leaving the collars on will help the hunters know which ones to take out. Also, that the pretty colored ribbons would make them easier to identify and take them out of the gene pool once and for all?

    Just curious. No need to reply.

    • Striper Chaser

      How would you ever know if you didn’t get a reply?

    • Don- Minn- Jay

      one thing stiper/christoper has said worth noting >> is that he would never shoot a research bear or condone doing it .

      • Striper Chaser

        Yup.

  • Striper Chaser

    “We tame them essentially by feeding them. They’re like squirrels. You feed them, and they tame down. Then you stop feeding them, and they’re still tame.” – Dr. Lynn Rogers

    • SG

      ~yawn

      • Striper Chaser

        No one asked you to read what I write. It’s up to whether you prefer not to. Bothers me not either way.

    • Sue de Nim

      You’ve made your point. You can quit repeating that quote now.

      • Striper Chaser

        The problem? No one ever replies to it.

        • Dixie

          And of course it is all about you Christopher Mihans. Your ego is astounding,

          And

          • Striper Chaser

            Has nothing to do with me Dixie. Do you think I fear your use of my name? You didn’t mourn overlong did you?

          • Susan Kline

            And there you have it! What an awful thing to say to someone who just lost her daughter. Your true character really shines through.

          • Striper Chaser

            You see my name on that there, do you Susan?

          • Susan Kline

            And when did I say that you, Christopher, posted that comment????

          • Susan Kline

            Interesting that in the email I received when this comment was first posted, the name of the poster was “Striper Chaser”. I see that now it is changed to “Guest”. Somebody doesn’t like being wrong now, do they?

  • Sue de Nim

    Judging purely by the volume of comments, this question would appear to be a more interesting topic for people to debate than health care reform, gun control/gun rights, government surveillance, taxes, sex, cannabis, politics, climate change, and any other topic that’s been discussed on these pages. Would that such energy could be devoted to more significant problems humanity faces!

    • Stephen F. Stringham, PhD

      Dear Ms. Nim,

      Before you express such strong opinions about Dr. Rogers’ research and methods, you would do well to (a) present the credentials that qualify to make such judgments, and (b) think through your comments more carefully. The fact that each of us is free to have our own opinions does not free us of responsibility to limit expression of those opinions to points whose validity we have verified. Take for example your opinion that Dr. Rogers research is biased because he has fed bears. Biased in what ways? To what degrees? What proof do you have that the specific behaviors he studies have been distorted? What proof do you have that other methods of studying bears do not cause biases that are at least as serious? Had you bothered to compare statistics on bears that are measured and radio-collared by (a) trapping them, (b) drugging them, and (c) otherwise manhandling them, vs. bears on which measurements are made and collars attached by Rogers’ method, you would find that his method is far less stressful and leads to a higher survival rate of study bears. Your assertion that “fed” bears are no longer fully “wild” is just a subjective interpretation of “wild.” To be objective, establish criteria for wildness that are relevant to the research being done. Furthermore, given that many bears around Ely are already getting human food from other sources, then by your implicit definition, none of those bears is wild. That would, of course be silly — which is why Rogers devised a more appropriate definition of wildness. The key issue is whether bears eat primarily wild foods, live as natural a life as is possible under those conditions, and coexist peacefully with humans. Somehow I doubt that you have done even one ten-thousandth as much as Dr. Rogers has to achieve that goal. So why not spice your opinions with a touch of humility.

      • Sue de Nim

        Methinks you need to take your own advice (about humility, that is). Suffice it to say, I’m well acquainted with the scientific method and the principle of objectivity, though I have not used it to study bears in particular. I have absolutely no interest in the question of whose credentials are bigger than whose in these forums.

  • Don- Minn- Jay

    Definition of Research

    re·search:
    NOUN: 1. a detailed study of a subject, especially in order to discover
    (new) information or reach a (new) understanding.

    Cambridge Dictionaries Online,
    © Cambridge University Press 2003.

    nowhere do i see the word ‘peer reviewed papers published” for it to BE CALLED RESEARCH.

    • freelily

      Since you are so smart at looking things up why don’t you look up the specifications from DNR in regards to WRI research permit issues. There you will find out how irrelevant your argument is.

      • Dixie

        Why don’t you answer the name question? You just return to the repetitive crap you have been posting on Bounty fo months.
        Freelily is hardly a name given a child. Well maybe back in the freelove druggie hippy days. That it? You a love child? Feh! Name schmame. Irrelavant red herrings.
        Give a decent permit for the black bear permit DNR, and leave your personal vendetta out of the proper decision. You are as reluctant to let go of your past (insulted egos) as a couple of the Ely residents are of giving up the OLD past of the Boundry waters decisions and then the, gasp, tourism they resent so much.

    • freelily

      Don Januszewski, Monticello, MN, is our well known Don-Minn Jay hiding behind a false name all this time. Don’t wonder why – you would to if you were him.

      • Jan Boeckmann

        LOLOL! This from someone named freelily?? what are you hiding from freelily?
        Don’t think Don is trying to hide.

      • CarolL

        Did your parents name you “freelily”?

      • Dixie

        Almost everyone already knows who DMJ is. He has never been hiding, just using his now famous nom de plume. Anyone who didn’t know had only to ask. Yup, he can look up facts that the hate group don’t because they don’t want to know. His name has nothing to do with whether the permit should have been pulled, just as Christopher Mihan’s AKA Bounty’s AKA Striper Chaser’s (and more that I am not ready to reveal), have nothing to do with whether the research permit should have been pulled.

        • Striper Chaser

          Hi Dixie – I was sorry to hear about your estranged daughter’s passing. I guess you weren’t happy about her life partner? But really shouldn’t a mother be more nurturing?

          • googler

            Christopher Mihans/striperchaser, it must be so upsetting when your brother and sister get arrested for drugs.

          • Striper Chaser

            Not as upsetting as when such a Christian’s daughter lays with another woman I’m sure.

      • Don- Minn- Jay

        an who is freelily ?? hiding behind a name. ive NEVER hid my name. ive FREELY given my email address with my name on it , so whats the point ?

      • Don- Minn- Jay

        or how about all the other alias on the antiresearch page. one anti research commenter BRAGGED about having ”’10”’ email an fb accts !! whats with that ? an others had many false names too ! so ?? i dont go around making false accts or names.

  • Rosalie Grant-Shaughnessy

    Sometimes people are so passionate in their motivations they lose sight of what matters. I hope everyone remembers that while they fight here, the bears unknowingly rely on us for their future.

    • Striper Chaser

      Actually, they don’t. Unless habituated and tamed to food they do quite well on their own. Especially at a species level. On the individual level things happen. However, the Minnesota DNR, not the WRI, deserves the credit for where they are on this more important level.

      If all the named bears were gone tomorrow it would only impact those who follow their anecdotal saga. No other people and no bears would miss them.

      • 1665.452

        Secular humanism at its finest. Mother bears who lose cubs do experience grief. Behavioral anthropologists have been studying this for decades. For as many times as you insist the WRI be held accountable, you completely ignore the part the DNR has played. You hold the WRI to a standard you do not require of the DNR. The DNR is a state agency. People of MN pay them out of tax dollars. The WRI is a small, privately funded organization. Don’t demand accountability from one and not the other. Stealing private information from MN residents seems it would be illegal, yet the DNR gets away with it. This isn’t speculation. It was mainstream news.

        • Striper Chaser

          The DNR is tasked with managing the states wildlife resources. As such their very job is to provide robust research and act on it. The government of Mn holds them to the level they want.

          They also provide special permits to research entities and with it there are certain responsibilities which WRI didn’t fulfill.

          • Striper Chaser

            Apparently you didn’t read the follow up information about this. The perpetrator was caught and fired and prosecuted. What more do you want?

  • Guest100+

    Chris/Striper Chaser, I’ve counted over 100 comments (the overwhelming majority of them responses to other’s comments) and I quit counting because my computer is now running too slow to keep going. What desperate point are you trying to make? It may be a boost to your ego, but your credibility went down the tubes about 50 comments ago.

    • Striper Chaser

      Well, as you’ll notice each and every pro person says the same thing over and over. So it’s really no different.

      • Guest

        You mentioned that you use an alias because people have contacted your employer. Maybe if you were actually working right now instead of arguing endlessly, you wouldn’t have to be worried about that.

        • Striper Chaser

          What you don’t understand…I’m retired.

          • Guest

            that’s good your wife will finally kick you out for good. with you around more she’ll do it

          • Guest

            Then why would it matter if anyone called your former place of employment? I think you need a vacation. You seem stressed.

    • Striper Chaser

      I don’t count on you for my credibility. Though you apparently feel there is some limit?

  • Margaret Fitzpatrick

    Should Lynn Rogers be allowed to continue his work with Minnesota bears?

    In a word, YES!

  • abby

    Conclusion: yes he should keep his permit. He has educated hundreds of thousands of people about the behavior of bears. People who never thought about, cared about or knew about bears. He has brought about awareness the misconceptions people had about them in order to co exist. As well as everyone knows, Lily a bear with a bounty(the name says it all) was started a long time ago for the sole purpose to taunt, harass, make fun of, and play on the emotions of LTBB fans. So all of a sudden it becomes a issue with science and papers? Why? Because one of their members, who never did wildlife field research thought it should be done their way. It was personal from the beginning. Then they relied on a ex disgruntled employee who caused her own demise to further her vindictive personal agenda. No, it was never and is not now about science and peer written papers. Then unprofessionally the DNR relied on these hate filled people to help further their agenda with made up accusations. For this reason alone, the permit should never have been pulled in the first place.

    • abby

      I might add that another member of the bounty group, a hunter who killed Hope, befriended Dr. Rogers, took pictures and video’s and posted them to use them against him. It wasn’t about science then either.

      • Striper Chaser

        Seems you’re as lacking in facts as the good Doctor is lacking in peer-reviewed papers.

  • Shelley

    Absolutely, Dr. Lynn Roger’s should be able to continue his research. It would have been terrible for the World if Jane Goodall’s Research was put to a stop and people did not learn of her most important work. We all learned so much growing up from this humble woman’s research with Chimpanzees and how her patience played a large part of it to gain trust and understanding of these animals. Our children and their children minds now have been opened up to the World of the North American Black Bear through the same techniques of gaining trust. By stopping Dr. Lynn’s Research you will be stopping years of work of important research and denying the people of this planet Earth knowledge that can benefit to help learn and coexist with a magnificent animal. Yes, Dr. Lynn Rogers is the Jane Goodall of the North American Black Bear. Keep his research going on, because it will benefit everyone for generations to come.
    Thank you MPR for this question asked.

  • NorthernMN

    Absolutely not his permit should not be renewed. The DNR is not the villain, nor is Dr. Rogers. The supporters of Lilly the Bear, of Jason, of Hope have seen on video domesticated bears, they are just so darn cute and they do the darndest things and there are updates about all the things that these bears are doing. What has been learned from all of the research? We learned that when we domesticate bears with hazel nuts that we can put a radio collar on them and then charge 2500 for a 4 day class, we learned that putting a video camera in a bears den can cause thousands of people will watch, we learned that people pray for Dr. Rogers and his institute and for bears that they don’t get shot in the fall. We learned that if you save a bear called hope and it goes back into the den and two more cubs are born that one of them won’t survive and we have school children crying about Jason the bear who died. Hope was abandoned and then saved, which wasn’t part of Dr. Rogers permit, so for all of those who talk about the “research” that wasn’t research it was meddling.
    We have learned that Dr. Rogers and the WRI has used social media to raise thousands of dollars. Dr. Rogers needs to appeal to the Minnesota department of Tourism as he is a huge economic draw to the town of Ely and all of Northern Minnesota. But it isn’t science. All of the people who talk about what we have learned, doesn’t it concern anyone that we’ve learned you can track a bear with radio collars and if you feed it nuts you can replace the batteries?
    Peer review requires someone to validate the results. Perhaps the findings of Dr. Rogers in feeding bears and habituating them to humans can be replicated in places where there are bear problems.

    If Dr. Rogers research was so valuable why did he leave the United States Forest Service? Has anyone looked into why such a renowned and valuable research person would leave the federal government research and strike out on his own?
    The DNR doesn’t have a vendetta against Dr. Rogers they have requirements that he doesn’t fulfill. So I’m sure everyone will keep praying for the bears and for Dr. Rogers and Sue and at before the prayers are ended perhaps you might also pray that no one gets harmed by the domesticated bears.

    • Dixie

      Same incomplete sour grapes rhetoric touted by the group that has a bounty on Lily the black bear. Lily: A Bear With A Bounty has worked diligently and mean spiritedly for many many months now to get Dr Rogers research shut down. Each person that posts on that sad community page has an agenda of vengeance against Dr Rogers. Disgruntled ex mods, disgruntled ex employee, disgruntled unethical hunter, disgruntled rejects, disgruntled LAB researcher, ETC. Like I said, each one has an agenda and sevearl of them have many many fb accounts to make it look like there are many posters and many likers. This is just another in a long repetitive diatribes they have been spouting that far too few thinking people have tried to refute. They have colluded with the MN DNR and now don’t want the DNR and themselves too closely scrutinized.

      Dr Rogers ongoing generational research would do fine and progress better without the constant interference and threats from the DNR. It is field biology research and certainly should not be held to the same standards and college level labratory research.

      Same incomplete sour grapes rhetoric touted by the group that has a bounty on Lily the black bear. Lily: A Bear With A Bounty has worked diligently and mean spiritedly for many many months now to get Dr Rogers research shut down. Each person that posts on that sad community page has an agenda of vengeance against Dr Rogers. Disgruntled ex mods, disgruntled ex employee, disgruntled unethical hunter, disgruntled rejects, disgruntled LAB researcher, ETC. Like I said, each one has an agenda and sevearl of them have many many fb accounts to make it look like there are many posters and many likers. This is just another in a long repetitive diatribes they have been spouting that far too few thinking people have tried to refute. They have colluded with the MN DNR and now don’t want the DNR and themselves too closely scrutinized.

      Dr Rogers ongoing generational research would do fine and progress better without the constant interference and threats from the DNR. It is field biology research and certainly should not be held to the same standards and college level labratory research.

      • Striper Chaser

        Nah, he just simply tames them and you like to hear about the tame bears.

        • marigold

          It was tame behavior when Lily got defensive of Hope during the BBC recording? The bears have no affinity for anyone. Black bears aren’t polar bears, aren’t grizzly bears. They don’t behave that way. If they were tame why would there be a need for radio collars? You could simply walk into the woods, call a bear and it would come running. Not tame. A PhD biologist understands the difference.

          • Striper Chaser

            He himself calls them tame by food.

          • marigold

            If he does, there must be differing views on the word. I went to Ely and was never approached by a bear in the woods. I didn’t even get to see one that day. I thought for sure I would but I didn’t. I think the political nature of this battle is bringing out the worst in everyone.

          • Striper Chaser

            The numbers of bears seen and how often a person sees them is anecdotal. It means nothing. I’d ask you to see many of the images on this site – https://www.facebook.com/LABWAB

            You’ll see a different take on tame.

          • marigold

            Is this link information on habituation and tame bears? I don’t want to read any back and forth name calling is why I ask. Enough of that on this page. It just frustrates me and I leave.

          • Striper Chaser

            Just look at the photos on the page.

          • NorthernMN

            So Lily was defensive during the BBC recording, are you suggesting that she was exhibiting wild behavior? Wouldn’t that possible create a “safety” concern ? Isn’t that what the DNR is concerned about? The bears have no affinity for anyone, yet they come to the cracking of the hazel nuts to have someone put a collar on them. Is that trained behavior, tame behavior and perhaps they really aren’t completely tamed they could still have some residual wild behavior that could be “dangerous”. You’re right a PhD biologist understands the difference.

          • marigold

            You want to have this both ways then. You want to be able to say they are tame and therefore too close to people, but they are wild and unpredictable. Which is it? If they are tame they are predictable. They are wild animals period. Use whatever adjectives you want. You don’t live in Ely and it doesn’t affect you either way.

          • NorthernMN

            No I don’t live in Ely, I live in Tower so you’re correct. I agree with you marigold they are wild animals and thus by having them lose their fear (call it tame, call it habituated, call it whatever you want) of humans is dangerous to both humans and the bears. The concern is that the bears will never fully be tamed yet by their habituation they are too close to humans, they don’t have the same fear of humans that wild bears have. I have spent thousands of hours in the woods one rarely sees a wild bear, yet in the Tower, Eagles nest, Mud Lake area I’ve seen several collared bears that have no fear. A tame bear who has no fear of humans is a danger to the humans and is not wild.

          • marigold

            If that were the case, there would have been a multitude of attacks and possibly even deaths in the past century (or at least last several decades) and yet there are none on record in Ely with those bears. And that would also be predicated on the notion that black bears are ferocious animals, which they are not known to be typically. As a species they are territorial but they are also social. Social meaning they associate with other bears and even other animals.

          • me

            Make up your mind NorthernMN. I don’t know your credentials, so if you have been to college, have decades of experience, and are widely respected in your field of bear biology, then I apologize for what I am about to say. So are so full of ignorance and misunderstanding it is a shame. Your dog has instincts also and will revert to them when pushed. So does your kid. Ever see a little brat kick someone in the shins because they were angry? Dr Rogers has more knowledge and intelligence than you could ever hope for. His intellect and experiences has created jealousy and outright envy and therefore hatred or at least dislike. He and his assitance and staff

      • NorthernMN

        Field biology research isn’t held to the same standards as college level labratory research? Good point I was wrong. As to the incomplete sour grapes I’m not a member of any group, I’m not an ex anything. I am a hunter but I do not hunt bears. I just don’t think anyone can point out any true research, there are a lot of feelings but not much fact. I would ask all the biologists out there is it natural for a wild bear to sit next to someone who is writing in his or her journal? It is if the bear is tame, but not a wild animal, there are pictures everywhere of the famous bearwalker sitting next to one of the bears as he writes in his journal it is not right

        • Don- Minn- Jay

          ive seen many, many videos of a person sitting next to a wild animal, be it a black bear, a grizz, a rhino, (a shark in the water), etc,etc,etc. so, all these animals are tame in YOUR EXPERT OPINION ? HA!!!!!!!!!!! youve got to use the same standard for all wildlife if yopu point to a bear.

          • NorthernMN

            Well you got me there Don, good job you’ve seen many videos, perhaps you could share those videos of all the people that are writing in their journals and sleeping with the animals. Oh wait there is the story of Treadwell that worked out well for him.

    • Guest

      I am glad you don’t feel Dr. Rogers is a villain. I do not think he is either.

  • Striper Chaser
  • G. Morgan

    There is no question that Dr. Rogers has brought the world, education about black bears. His study of black bears spans decades and should continue. Who better than someone that has observed and walked with bears to know the intricacies of black bear lives. Den cameras have given all, a window into the lives of the young and how they develop and are nurtured. This is truly an educational opportunity open to all.

    • Striper Chaser

      Actually he tames them. Then tells you their fantastic tales.

      “We tame them essentially by feeding them. They’re like squirrels. You feed them, and they tame down. Then you stop feeding them, and they’re still tame.” – Dr. Lynn Rogers

      • ssunray

        And where or when did he ever say that? Do you have evidence for this “quote”?

        • Guest

          TERRI THE BEAR MEETS AN UNFORTUNATE FATE
          St. Paul Pioneer Press (MN) – Thursday, September 26, 1991
          Author: BYLINE: Dennis Anderson, Outdoors Editor

          This is the article. I paid for it. I’m not paying for you. I don’t out false quotes. When you get it – let us know.

          • Guest

            Good thing for the rest of us, we don’t have to pay for articles showing what the DNR is really about.

            You aren’t the only ones with “friends” in high places.

          • Striper Chaser

            Oh, my. Now I’m truly scared.

          • Guest

            No, you don’t care either way. You don’t care about anything or anyone. You’ve already said that. You must be a joy to know in person.

          • Striper Chaser

            Lainey? I knew you loved me.

          • feh

            There you go. You do that on purpose to hurt. I certainly hope whoever lainey is nd soon. You are the meanest blackest soul I have ever encountered. Guest is right. You live to inflict pain. It must be the only thing that keeps you going becaused you are so practiced at it. People are even fooled by you for a while, thinking you are a reasonable conversatioanlist. You blowup when disagreed with, and then the toment starts. Unless the perso apologizes and then you become phoney magnanimus and later you cry “owie” for sympathy. Yo are a bully, palin and simple.

          • Striper Chaser

            I’m sorry, were you speaking to me? Tell you what – deal with what I’ve dealt with from padders over the last year and a half. Don’t you worry about my black heart. And careful the scary man doesn’t turn on you! Boo!

        • Striper Chaser

          TERRI THE BEAR MEETS AN UNFORTUNATE FATE
          St. Paul Pioneer Press (MN) – Thursday, September 26, 1991
          Author: BYLINE: Dennis Anderson, Outdoors Editor

          This is the article it’s in. It’s in the archive. You have to pay about $2 for it. I did. You can if you’d need more verification. I know what I put out there is factual.

          • ssunray

            Thanks for a reference to the source. I was able to use google’s in cache and paid nothing for a thread where the whole article was copied in ‘so undercover’ by “Lily: a bear with a bounty”.

            It all depends on how you interprete the word ‘tame’.
            http://www.thefreedictionary.com/taming

            1. Brought from wildness into a domesticated or tractable state.
            2. Naturally unafraid; not timid

            Nowadays the word ‘habituate’ for meaning 2 is used more than ‘tame’, which is the term that Dr. Lynn Rogers uses the past decade. And viewing the multitude of videos and reports of interaction that is exactly what Dr. Lynn Rogers has claimed all the time: by giving them pecan nuts as a little treat he makes the bear less timid and used to his presence, so they just go about their normal behaviour.

          • Striper Chaser

            I interpret it as he tames the bears. No other way. They certainly are not naturally unafraid.

          • Striper Chaser

            Then you didn’t get it from the source. You got it from our page. I’m not sure what you mean by so undercover. Nothing is undercover there.

            In fact I gave you the link to the actual archive.

          • ssunray

            The site is called ‘so undercover’ and nope, in no post in reply to me by you or guest is a link posted: just the title of an article, the paper, the date and author.

          • Striper Chaser

            OK understood but you still have our copy. Not the direct copy. But either way – I stand by my words. He tames bears. His entire history is one of feeding. There is really nothing he’s done without it.

          • ssunray

            Dr. Lynn has never denied or hid the fact that he gives bears a treat of pecan nuts, and that he uses it as a method to habituate, which every image confirms (which over 20 years ago might have been more regularly referred to for laymen as ‘taming’). Obviously the DNR spokesman hasn’t got a clue what habituation means.

            http://www.thefreedictionary.com/habituation
            “The decline of a conditioned response following repeated exposure to the conditioned stimulus.” (obviously we’re not talking about drugging bears… that’s what the DNR does)

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habituation#Biological_mechanisms_of_habituation
            Uses of the habituation procedure

            “Habituation procedures are used by researchers for many reasons. For example, in a study on aggression in female chimpanzees from a group known as the “Kasela community”, researchers habituated the chimpanzees
            by repeatedly exposing them to the presence of human beings. Their efforts to habituate the chimpanzees before the field researchers studied the animal’s behavior was necessary in order for them to eventually be able to note the natural behavior of the chimpanzees, instead of simply noting chimpanzee behavior as a response to the
            presence of the researchers. In another study, Mitumba chimpanzees in the Gombe National Park were habituated for at least four years before the introduction of systematic data collection.”

            Dr. Lynn Rogers also maintains(and never denied) that it is exactly the use of the treat that enables him to observe them and that this is a perfect valid biological method.

            It is also obvious that bears prefer forest food over food from humans. It is the most food abundant year since the past 20 years, and bears visiting feeding stations are an exception. Just the present summer conditions contradict any of the DNR’s claims.

          • Dixie

            You didn’t give her a link you told her where to look. So what you are saying is she should not look at your facts because they are wrong? LOL typical.

  • Don- Minn- Jay
  • guest

    According to Twin Cities News:

    “Deer baiting is illegal, DNR managers say, because it causes deer to congregate and increases the chances of spreading disease. The practice is also unethical, a position supported by the 20,000-member Minnesota Deer Hunters Association.”

    Feeding bears nuts for research is bad, but baiting them to kill them is fine. Yet the DNR is against deer baiting because it’s unethical. Talk about twisted logic.

    • Striper Chaser

      http://www.bearstudy.org/website/updates/daily-updates/1404-hope-hunting-and-the-media-.html

      Lynn rightly viewed wounding loss as the biggest problem in bear hunting. To reduce that problem, he introduced the controversial practice of baiting. With baiting, a bear would offer a humane, killing shot. Granted, baiting can hardly be considered sporting, but a well placed shot means a quick kill with minimal suffering.

      • guest

        True, but that’s not my argument. My argument is this: How can it be said that baiting deer is unethical but baiting bears is acceptable, and why is feeding them to research them wrong versus feeding them to kill them? I just honestly don’t understand.

        • Striper Chaser

          Right – which is my point too. How can Rogers be for something so unethical? Not only for it – he designed it.

          • guest

            I get downvoted for asking a question? I asked because I understand that the DNR has two different stances on this and I don’t know why. I’ll figure it out on my own I guess.

          • Striper Chaser

            I would suggest if this is a serious inquiry to request an answer from them. Their website has all of the contact information.

            Here in NC deer are baited and bears are not. Why? I don’t know.

          • guest

            I will try. Do you hunt deer or bears? Does NC have a large bear population?

          • Striper Chaser

            I’m a deer hunter. Quail hunter. Squirrel hunter. Never bear. They inhabit the coasts and mountains here and I’m in the middle.

            Both areas now have fairly sizable populations.

          • guest

            None in Nebraska to speak of. That’s why I like to ask. It’s difficult to learn a lot about a population when it all comes second hand or from other sources. Our state is just pretty quiet. I like to fish but that’s about all.

          • Striper Chaser

            Great whitetail deer in your neck of the woods. I like to fish myself.

          • guest

            My family did a lot of hunting but then I became more interested in photography. It seemed more of a challenge in a way. I’m not much for wild game but again I do enjoy fishing.

  • David

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL8jINtNbjQ

    Why do Lily fans always have to get nasty and personal?

    Saw a comment further down where one person thinks this isn’t
    Lynn Rogers in the video, look again and listen.

    “I maybe shouldn’t have HIT her for that one. “ (Big smile
    on his face)

    “but I’ve been a little bit too harsh lately with some of the bears”

    “But the bear I’ve been the worst to my whole life is nice Gerry” “Yaah I whacked
    her more as a cub than any other bear”

    • Heather Kramer

      LILY fans get nasty? Try again.

      • Striper Chaser

        I thought you weren’t a padder?

        • Heather Kramer

          I don’t even know what the heck that is. I’m just me. But I’ve seen plenty of nastiness.

          • Striper Chaser

            If it doesn’t say Striper – it ain’t me.

          • Heather Kramer

            Have you said anything at all throughout this entire ordeal that you regret? Even a little?

          • Striper Chaser

            Yup. I sure do. But what you don’t understand Heather – is simply I’ve been hounded by these women for my opinions for over a year. And if you read through this thread you’ll see they are copying/pasting/whatever, right?

            They started a year ago with making fun of my family, calling work, you see some of it here. I’ve been called a narcissist, a sociopath, psychopath, the list goes on.

            You yourself started in with sociopath yesterday. Yeah, I find Rogers’ fans a real joy to behold. But certainly I regret things I say when I get frustrated.

          • Heather Kramer

            I again reiterate, I never called you a sociopath. I said what you were saying sounded like it. I don’t know you in the real world. I only know how to make judgments on you based on your words online, and the same is true for you of me. I don’t know if that’s accurate or not. The problem for us both is, this is the first impression people get of us. Not just regarding this issue but any we speak out on. We can say what others think does not matter to us, but I don’t believe that to be entirely true. You for instance want people to know your take on this situation, and you have fought sometimes voraciously to make that point. I don’t have a problem with you asserting your opinions or fighting for what you believe is fair. I just have a problem with the tone sometimes. I don’t pretend that all people involved in this have been reasonable. No one should attack you personally or your family. I am not intending to attack you. I was trying to demonstrate that your words can be interpreted in different ways…ways you might not care for. I also regret things I say when I am angry. All I want is for a reasonable expectation to be made (and fairness given) in this situation. If the law determines it is, there is little recourse I have. I will remain a believer in this work. I happen to think it has made a great difference. I know you disagree, and that is ok. It has to be.

          • Striper Chaser

            Take a read down through this site. You’ll see what I’ve had to deal with over and over and over. So when I see the word sociopath I don’t take kindly to it. Regardless of how.

            And if you do read down through here realize one thing – they try to pull me down into the weeds with them because they realize how effective I’ve been on this. And how ineffective they’ve been.

            And before long they’ll come to this thread and do the same thing.

            On the other hand I have no problem with you being a believer in the work. There were points of it I had interest in as well.

            However, the more images I saw of bears eating from the mouths of children, from Rogers, the smacking of the bear, and all the rest the more I understood it couldn’t be true research. And because of that I knew it was problematic – in my opinion – for it to continue.

          • Heather Kramer

            I think we are seeing things in very different ways. I think that what some perceive as outrageous in one respect, the other side perceives as acceptable and reasonable given the circumstances. If, for instance, I was trying to study a wild animal up close and it made a move to swat/bite (at) me, my instant reaction would be to swat back or to escape the situation. I believe that to be the case. I know this research seems highly curious to many people, because it employs methods unknown to most. Methods many would not consider. I happen to prefer the trust methodology over sedation. I think it establishes a different relationship and a different view of the animal. I’ve been working with cougars and they are highly aggressive when threatened or cornered, even if the threat isn’t realized. The cougar doesn’t know this of course. Yet bears have a very keen intellect and can determine a threat from something innocuous. I think that’s one of the big differences.

          • Striper Chaser

            But you see, I know from the video taker that this was a taste test. They weren’t trying to study bears up close. I could understand that as well.

            They were trying to understand which seed bears liked least. They wanted to put that news out there for people to use in their feeders.

            However, when I look at this video I can come up with a million different ways to learn that choice which does not put me in the middle of the action.

            Different seeds on scales. Video. Many ways. Gives me pause to think this was scientific in anyway.

          • Heather Kramer

            I have a feeling Dr. Rogers would do some things differently if given the choice. I would certainly do things differently in my own line of work. I don’t necessarily know the best approach, but I think his interest and passion for the bears is very much real. I don’t believe he would ever intentionally want to cause harm to an animal he has devoted so much time to, let alone any animal. I had the chance to meet him in 2010 and just got a genuine feel for his care for these animals. I think that some people have confronted you in ways that were in appropriate and I don’t want all supporters to be categorized this way. I also understand why defenders of the DNR’s decision are not necessarily anti Dr. Rogers or bear research. The extremes are not helping in this case.

          • Striper Chaser

            I apologize if I was short with you. This has been a long road. And for me it didn’t start with calling for the permit’s removal.

          • Heather Kramer

            I tend to be very protective of my ideals and that doesn’t always come through the way I’d like. I appreciate your apology. In truth, we don’t know one another so it is neither here nor there in the whole scheme of things, but I do think that the only way any of us will make progress is if we take a step back sometimes. Anger is a good tool if it motivates us to change a potentially negative situation, but often that anger builds until its all we can focus on anymore. At that point, the entire argument is lost. Even if we obtain our victory, it seems rather lackluster at that point. I have to realize that what I stand for is very troubling to some, and downright infuriating to others. I know that if the DNR should renew the permit, it will make some very angry. I also realize that the DNR maintaining their stance and the legal action being unsuccessful will make many people angry, disappointed and hurt. I will be one of them. Ultimately though, my disappointment will rest with the judge’s ruling and not anything else. At that point, all the evidence on both sides will have been laid out. That’s how justice works in this country. I have to prepare myself for that either way. I just don’t want casualties (metaphorically) along the path.

          • Striper Chaser

            OK. Good ’nuff for me.

          • Striper Chaser

            I did tell you they would come here to this thread too. They figure they can get me to take it down. I have no respect for them, nor their opinions. This is all coordinated.

          • Dawns mom Dixie

            Notice how he is taking credit for how “effective” he has been. He doesn’t give credit for all the words and science he was handed and the photoshopped pictures he was provided with and the false statements he was given “permission” to post and oh yes, don’t forget the many many anonymous pm’s he has posted. Snort. His ego has this whole thing being about him, instead of between the WRI research permit and the DNR. Amazing self interest.

          • Carolyn

            You don’t like being called a sociopath, psychopath, or narcissistic then why do you act like one.

            The study of the psychopath reveals an individual who is incapable of feeling guilt, remorse or empathy for their actions. They are generally cunning, manipulative and know the difference between right and wrong but dismiss it as applying to them.

            They are incapable of normal emotions , generally react without considering the consequences of their actions and show extreme egocentric and narcissistic behavior.
            Take narcissism, Not one person on this thread, other than your minions have been able to post their opinion or that they support Dr. Rogers without your response to discredit and tell them they are wrong and you are right (know it all, and you are right and they are wrong)
            You are admin of bounty and you have control over what is said there.
            psychopath
            You say hurtful things to people with coldness, disregard for their feelings, with lack of empathy for anyone but yourself.
            You have no quilt for destroying a mans life and research because you say he doesn’t do it to your specifications. And after you succeed, you wish them well???? that’s just cold and deceiving . You feel you do no wrong so you cannot see the difference between right and wrong when it comes to yourself. Your ego is what keeps you here for hours on end. A lot of people see these characteristics in you because these are the behaviors you portray. Someone had said you threatened to call someone’s church to tell them that she wasn’t a Christian or something like that? A lot of people have kept your post, your PM’s your threats so you can deny all your want. If you don’t want to be called these things, then change your behavior.

          • Striper Chaser

            Did someone say that? Really? You’re another in a long line of people that feel like they can diagnose me from afar. And another in a long line of people who’s opinions I don’t take seriously.

            Could you point me to the peer-reviewed research pertaining to Special Permit 16868 and it’s predecessors, please?

          • Carolyn

            Don’t have to go far striper, FB is just a click away.

          • Travis L.

            Hey don’t mean to interrupt but I’m trying to figure this whole thing out. This permit required some research papers or something? And they exist or no or what? And am I the only one who can’t figure out who the heck is talking to who? This is the strangest format I’ve ever seen.

          • carolyn

            You don’t have a problem diagnosing or analyzing Dr. Rogers or anyone else from afar do you? Oh that’s right you know it all. Do as I say not as I do. I’m still hysterical over you thinking I’m who I’m not. It just proves you can’t tell you the truth about anything because you think you know it all. You are proving it over and over. Keep it up. Are you going to deny saying those awful things to Dixie? One more thing that you won’t believe. Dixie and I can’t stand each other. She has blocked me many times, but I do have a heart when someone does to anyone what you did to her on the death of a child.

          • Onewhoknows

            “You’re another in a long line of people that feel like they can diagnose me from afar.” That says it all right there. You’re a joke and a joke around the hunters who read your hate page. They use you for their cause but laugh at you behind your back you psycho. A long line of people diagnose you because youre a sociopath

          • Striper Chaser

            To Onewhoknows – I laugh at you in front of your face.

          • Carolyn

            I just saw what he posted to a lady named Dixie which proves my point. Heartless, hurtful, lack of empathy, conscience, lack of sympathy and just plain cold

          • Striper Chaser

            Carolyn – please. You and Dixie are thick as thieves. How’s Canada?

          • Carolyn

            Excuse me! Dixie and I are in fact just the opposite. Oh that’s right, you know it all. I can’t believe this. You just keep proving my point over and over. I’ve never even been to Canada. This just getting to funny. Just who do you think I am? So far from what I’ve seen I’ve had several identities. Sorry to disappoint you.

          • Striper Chaser

            What the problem truly is for you people is you have no rebuttal for what I say. Which is why you resort to names.

            Please, pray tell, give me some data from a peer reviewed paper written pertaining to the permits.

          • Dixie,,Dawns mom

            I can tell you Heather, no one attacked his family. His family is actually pitied. Also it is a member of his group that called employers and caused so much trouble before she decided to join in the Bounty fun. She knows who she is, but I bet she never confesses and apologizes. As for attacking him personally things were pointed out to him that he was lacking in his prsonality. Such as the milk of human kindness and compassion and empathy. Never had it, still doesn’t. I am not qualified to diagnose whether he is a sociopath or narcissitic or any number of psychological possibilities. But if someone doesn’t want to end up with a handle of some sort then they should keep a tighter rein on their conduct.
            I reiterate,,, his attack referencing my daughters sudden death was and is the lowest he has sunk yet. They made a little fun of the passing of a wonderful research backer at one point also. That too did not win them any brownie points with decent people.
            The important issue is YES Dr Rogers should get his permit back and YES the DNR acted wrongly in removing it.

            BTW, he got me banned from posting on facebook for 3 days so I have plenty of time to keep track of him 24/7. I can’t sleep right now anyway.

          • Maggie

            You seem to forget Chis, who started this, who started the Lily a bear with a bounty. How you and your friends called Lily fans names, how you played on their emotions, made fun of them, taunted them with things like Hope in a crock pot, going after Lily. Called them a bunch of old ladies. And the list goes on and on. And you expect them to sit back and take it? You can dish it out but can’t take it back? I saw where you posted on your page calling them bear bitch’s. So stop blaming the bear fans. Put the blame where it belongs. You and your followers harassed them beyond belief and now you cry about how they have miss treated you? You’d better do some reflecting and take responsibility for your own actions. Stop being a instigator and trying to hurt people and maybe, just maybe they won’t retaliate.

          • Striper Chaser

            You’d be wrong there, Maggie. Not only wasn’t I involved at that early date – but I can take it. I have taken it. And I will continue to.

            So how about point me to some peer-reviewed research pertaining to the special permits. Other than that you’re just another talker. One I don’t care to spend a lot of time on.

          • Heather Kramer

            Um that wasn’t me talking to you. I thought we’d come to a meeting of the minds, for the most part.

          • Striper Chaser

            We did, I edited it to say Maggie. I used your name by mistake.

          • Heather Kramer

            Ok. I can’t keep up with all these threads anymore.

          • Striper Chaser

            Got that right!

          • Dixie, Mother of Dawn

            Striper Chaser I have clips of your nastiness from the beginning. I wasn’t even aware of the group that refutes the half truths and outright bunk for a long time before I started psoting on there. Yes the name calling wasn’t all one sided for a long time because of the frusration your groups meaness was dishing out. They/we have gotten better because we now know you all are just not sorth the stress you cause. That is why we refute but don’t play your repetitive game of “where is the research” since your resident college scientist associate professor taught you the words. She is one of the disgruntled because she could not change the methodology of Dr Rogers field biology research into following lab research. Neuro science and Animal Biology are worlds apart. But that is only one of hundreds of facts that your group has refused to grasp and have constantly made fun of. I have every word and every photoshopped hurtful picture your group has ever posted, so cleaning the garbage off your page as often as you do is just goofiness. You all post mean hurtful words and pictures, then you have fun with it for a while, and then delete it. You are seriously not even fooling each other on there. You play with each other, but you all have differing agendas. But the goal of all of you is the same as the DNR’s. That is the destruction of Dr Rogers and you and they are wrong in your pursuit. No one owes you one darn answer to the dumb questions you have repeated ad nauseum for almost 2 years. Your ego makes you soehow imagine that the world owes you answers. I actually pity your family. You knew when you talked about my losing my daughter less than 2 weeks ago that it was going to hurt me terribly and you did it on purpose. Her sudden pulmonary embolism at the age of 49 could have happened to any one of you. But it happened to my only girl. Half of my children are now gone with her passing. We were no estranged as you stated so you couldn’t even be accurate in your attack.
            I realize that in your narrow little world of your ego you will never see the garbage you have handed out as anything bad, but you should realize your stressful garbage and mocking disrespect of anyone who has the temerity to disagree with you is the cause of their/our backlash. But I am now staying with you until all of this is over. I may not even post, but I promise I will not miss a word. Parents shouldn’t have to outlive their children and they MOST CERTAINLY shouldn’t have to put up with the mockery you used. Trying to clock your disrespect in words was window clear to anyone not in your rotten camp. My praer is for Dr Rogers permit to be reinstated and overseen by someone not in the pocket of the DNR. It has been done before. Right now the hopes of those who have respect for Dr Rogers work, and work ethic, are with the judicial system. Not with the likes of a little cabal of disgruntled vengeful liars who will meanspiritedly say and do just about anything, including giving falsehoods to a state agency. The eyes of Dixie are upon you. Still praying about you. I know I know, you “haven’t the eyes to see, or the ears to hear” the true meaning of that. God alone has the wisdom you think you posess.

          • Dawns mom

            Yes, I see every typo, but anyone reading can get the meaning.

      • Dixie

        Lily fans could never become as nast as you Striper/Christopher Mihans………..
        Christopher has now had me banned from posting on facebook for 3 days. He wasn’t content to just shoot me in the heart because of the sudden death of my daughter, he had to emphasize the pain by whining to facebook about me and got me banned. Too embarassed to have others know what he said here. I hope the word spreads and he loses forever the dishonest credibility he thinks is due his tremendous ego. Mean through and through.

        I think I will leave MN news media alone for a good while. Too many do not do investigative research into what they write and therefore slant the news to whatever bullscat artist yells the loudest. And the hate group on Lily: a Bear With A Bounty are some world class screamer whiner bullscaters. And the DNR let them run the show. Yech.

        Well, you all have seen what he has in his heart today so I am going to go cover my head and get over the pain the backhearted soul has dealt me again.

        • Striper Chaser

          You’re crying in the wrong place Dixie. Seriously. You started a lot of trouble here. And you started elsewhere. You need to go rest!

          • Carolyn

            I don’t care what Dixie has said and done here or anywhere else. NO ONE deserves what that man said to her about losing her daughter. I have never witnessed a more cold hearted thing in my life. And he has the gull to get her kicked off FB. And this by the way is really Carolyn. This man has totally lost it. I stay in the background but that doesn’t mean I don’t see what goes on.

          • Striper Chaser

            Gull is a sea bird. You living in the middle of Canada might not know that. Gall is the word you’re looking for. Again your acting is very good. You don’t need to be too good though to do it with words.

            Do you have anything to say about research standards or are you simply going to be shocked about what I said to a person you don’t even like?

    • Don- Minn- Jay

      the anti research members are the worst at calling names, mocking people, belittle people, (one has 10 fb accts to do this under various names), posting nasty pictures against the researchers an the fans of the research.

  • Don- Minn- Jay

    ive just watched video of ”finding of 3 sunken vessels” centuries ago. its informative, interesting an educational. an its research. no peer reviewed papers on it, no requirement for them in their ‘permit’ . just like this video thats informative, interesting an educational. only thru a format that is of this, is is education an ‘research info’ most likely accepted by classrooms. wish they had that when i was in school. we only had boring teachers promoting mosty E=MC2
    .http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/wild/episodes/bad-news-black-bears/

  • David

    Also why are fans that ask questions vilified and ousted
    from the Facebook page?

    I thought that was what education was all about, to ask
    questions and learn ?

    Instead people are banned and made to feel like they committed
    a big sin! Dare to question and that’s you gone!

  • David

    In Nearly 30 states
    it is illegal to feed black bears in 2/3 States they are bringing in ordinances
    to make it illegal to feed bears.

    In 20 states they strongly discourage feeding black bears if
    they have them! Most of these states say “Habituated animals are more vulnerable to injury and can become
    aggressive if they are taught to expect food from people”.

    • ssunray

      And these laws are based on what research? None really. It’s based on fears and misunderstandings. We think ‘free & easy food given by humans’ must train these wild bears into searching people out. But black bears prefer ant pupae and berries they can find in the forest over what humans have in their garbage, including habituated bears, if they can have any. There’s a food abundance in the wild at the moment, and the habituated research bears don’t visit feeding areas, nor even come to researchers with pecan nuts that wish to exchange their gps at the moment. You only get a situation of nuisance bears when there is low food in the wild, and there are no feeding areas.

  • Travis L.

    I don’t know much at all about this debate but one thing I can say is I hope for the researcher’s sake and the DNR’s sake they have more substantial support than what is shown here. This looks like nothing but an ‘I’m better than you are’ fight between a bunch of kids.

    • guest

      If Doc agrees to give them these reports they want will they let him have the permit again? Will they hurt the study bears or move them away?

      • Travis L.

        I have no idea. Like I say I don’t really know a lot about this except for what has been in the news. I just started reading underneath this article and guess I didn’t expect so much of it to be personal. Everybody knows names and websites and everything else.

        • Dixie

          Way back in the day, Dr Rogers won against the DNR in campaigning to save red pines from clearcutting. They have resented him ever since and once he got the first wild bear to trust him so he could study them without tranqulization or cages, there has been so much jealousy in the MN DNR and they dislike his thinking out of the box and doing things differently than they have been doing over and over. Acceptance of new thinking has always had its detractors, but it is all so much more visable now with the internet and interactive social sites. Yes some of have been following along with this research for a very long time and have learned so much. Along the way, toes were stepped on for verying reasons and the animosity was there. However ruining a mans very useful work just for the sake of revenge is sickening. The posters on this page will seem very reasonable and pull you in.
          https://www.facebook.com/LABWAB?ref=br_tf

          The one posting as Striper Chaser (Chris Mihans) on here posts mostly as Bounty on there even though he did not start the page. The page was originally started to cause pain and embarrassment to the people who loved a littl ebear named Hope. Apparently that was bad of them so unethical hunters started the page fo rthat and then when Hope was shot by a hunter it was even worse. For a while Mihans ranted on on the page talking to himself day after day. Soon the disgruntled found that if they posted there they would have avoice, and it eventually evolved into some of them giving garbage to the DNR to use against the person they perceive as their enemy who needs to be ruined. So they have been striving for some time to ruin Dr Rogers and the DNR has been doing the same thing so I guess it was natural for them to have an affinity for each other and seem to be happily using each other as a means to an end.
          The story if far longer and far more gross than that, but I hope you get the idea that there is a lot of hard feelings on both sides. Mr Mihans making the crack about the passing of my daughter is not really the worst thing he has done. It is just the worst thing he has done to me. Generally he just ridicules my age and my name and belief in God and etc. He does far worse things to others. I am sure reading the things we write is probably a lot like watching a train wreck, but I just don’t think hatred and jealousy are reasons to refuse a permit for important research.

          • Travis L.

            This is deeper than I first thought! I am sorry about your daughter. I don’t know Mr. Mihans so I can’t speak about what he has or hasn’t said but I am sorry for your loss. I don’t know what to say except no matter what happens I hope it doesn’t make things worse for the flip side of the argument. Right now it sounds like people want to hurt one another, like physically. I didn’t expect to see that.

          • Striper Chaser

            Sure you do Carolyn. You and Dixie, and Linda, and all the rest have been dogging my every move on this. It’s apparent here.

            Cheers.

          • Striper Chaser

            Very good. Which is why I deleted these. I had a feeling another in a line of setups. This time with Carolyn. Good deal. Thanks

            Laughably juvenile.

          • Striper Chaser

            Next?

          • Dixie

            Snicker

          • Dixie

            Snort.

          • Carolyn

            OMG you think I’m posting as other people ? Sorry your assumptions are way off. You need to take a break. You are so off base. Sorry Travis. I think he’s getting delusional. I’m serious. I am no one other than carolyn

          • Striper Chaser

            Great – the Oscar goes to….

          • Carolyn

            You don’t have a problem diagnosing or analyzing Dr. Rogers or anyone else from afar do you? Oh forgot you know it all. Do as I say not as I do. I’m still hysterical over you thinking I’m who I’m not. It just proves you can’t tell you the truth about anything because you know it all. You keep proving it over and over. Something else you won’t believe, Dixie and I can’t stand each other. She has blocked me many times. You don’t know nearly as much as you think you do. It’s one of the symptoms.

            But I do have a heart and when someone does what you did to her over the death of a child, it goes over the line. Are you going to deny that too?

          • Striper Chaser

            I get a kick out of you people. You’ve got nothing to say about research. You want your updates – make believe. And you play at make believe. It’s been a pleasure.

            Cheers!

          • Dixie, Dawns mom

            I know Carolyn. It isn’t as though you are the only Carolyn in the world. I haven’t seen one thing by others I know either, except for Linda E defending me, bless her heart. I am sure they just don’t think this is worth their time. I’d be done, and moved on, by now too if it wasn’t for the dung thrown in my face yesterday……………see below↓↓↓

            Chris you are such a hoot. You say th esame things endlessly month after month and learn new words and use them endlessly also. You are like a juvenile parrot. You get your science from your resident scientist, your law education from your lawyer mom, your animal info from your resident hunter, your NABC diatribe from the ex-employee etc. etc. You repeat yourself to the point of nausea and that is your right. Just wanted you to know that you are as entertaining and as believable as a road runner cartoon.

            :poop: @Guest Dixie ******* { my symbols not Mihan/Stripers}
            Where is the research, Dixie? Oh, sorry to hear about your daughter. I understand you were estranged? Must be doubly hard for you to lose her after not really being there with her. I hope you’re coping well.

            Googler Guest
            Im not Dixie, Binky Bear and Christopher Mihans you said on your hate page that anything that’s public information can be posted so because you said that heartless thing about Dixie’s daughter who just died then you get your brother and sister brought into it. just like you did when you posted people’s personal pictures and talked about people’s bankrupcies

            Striper Chaser Googler
            By the way – bankruptcies has a t. You can just cut and paste.

            Striper Chaser Googler
            If you think my skin is that thin…you truly haven’t been around long enough. The game’s chess. You’re still playing checkers. An amateur you remain.

            Dixie Thompson Senft Googler
            Christopher has now had me banned from posting on facebook fo r3 days. He wasn’t content to just shoot me in the heart he had to emphasize the pain by whining to facebook about me and got me banned. Too embarassed to have others knwo what he said here. I hope the word spreads and he loses forever the dishonest credibility he thinks is due his tremendous ego. Mean and non empathetic!

            Googler Dixie Thompson Senft
            He is heartless . He says the cruelest thing he could say to you and then he thought you were me and reported you to facebook. I’m not sorry I mentioned his family because it’s public information and he said that’s fair expect when it comes to him. he has been harassing people for years.

            Googler Guest
            I’m not Kathryn either and you and I have never spoken. you don’t know how many people you’ve hurt, do you

            Striper Chaser Googler
            LOL. I truly don’t care. It’s pretty funny actually. Dixie and Linda going on and on about how hurt they are.
            You copying and pasting.
            And yet at the end of the day – you still can’t point to peer-reviewed research. You still have a hole in you filled by the bears.
            And at the end of the day, when the permit is gone, you’ll still be someone I don’t care about. Just words on a page.
            Thank you for thinking you could bother me. Anything else?

            Striper Chaser Striper Chaser
            I’ll take that as a no. Truly a great show put on by you and the rest. Old Dixie crying away on Linda’s shoulder. I mean this was good. I’d darned near give you all the oscar if there was such a thing for facebook acting and Christian Charity. I’ll leave you with this – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…

            Dixie Thompson Senft Guest
            That is one of your dirtiest yet. In case readers do not know, my daughter passed away suddenly on the 15 of this month and took a huge chunk of my heart with her. We were not estranged in any way and had been together a few days before at our extended family reunion. Where you get your crappy non info from I can’t say, but you do have a real talent for causing as much pain as you can figure out to do. Do you have a heart in that narcissistic body of yours anywhere?
            People this is the sort of thing the bounty group has done over and over and this was even a mild one (not for me, but as things he has done over time). Beware of the garbage he hauls out and stirs up to make a big stink. He excells at rotten scatology!!

            Linda L. Evick Dixie Thompson Senft
            Dixie I am so very sorry he said that about your loss. I believe he needs to get his facts straight before posting something he knows absolutely nothing about. Again, I am so sorry for your loss.

            Striper Chaser Linda L. Evick
            What I find truly funny is all this mourning and upset that is playing out in public.

            Googler Guest
            Sorry to hear about your brother and sister’s arrests for drugs, Christopher. That must have been hard for you. Was it meth or heroin?

            Striper Chaser Googler
            Neither one. It was pot. And it truly wasn’t hard on me at all. They’re adults.

            Striper Chaser Googler
            Neither one. It was pot. And it truly wasn’t hard on me at all. They’re adults.

            Striper Chaser Dixie
            The problem, Dixie, you, nor Rogers have an answer. Which is why his permit wasn’t renewed.

            Dixie Striper Chaser
            So because you achieved pain for me, you or your hate group, went ahead and got me banned from facebook for 3 days? Facebook is the main way I stay in touch with some of the loved ones who have been holding me up in my grievous loss. Everyone looking at facebook needs to know you for who and what you really are. Ego and neacissism are so sick on your hide. I will now not ever stop checking and keep every darn word you utter or type. Sooner or later you will go too far, if you haven’t already. If I were those witches of facebook who “like” every utterance out of you, I would watch my back. You Mihans are a heartless backstabber. I won’t forget the jab or the banning. And I won’t stop praying about you either.

            Striper Chaser Dixie
            Seems to me your playing the sympathy card a little much now. I don’t need your prayers. And to be a backstabber we would have had to be friends to start with. Don’t you think?

            Dixie Striper Chaser
            I am not googler and would never have outed your family. You on the other hand feel free to state anything about my loss. You are a heartless evil being. And yes I just called you a name. Anyone reading here is likely thinking the same thing.

          • Dixie

            OOPS. My poop symbol didn’t work. I forgot how to make it. It isn’t nice I know but I guess “if the shoe fits”?
            BTW the above is copy/paste from yesterday, just to prove again how low his character really is.

          • Striper Chaser

            I saw that Travis L. One minute your Carolyn the next your Travis. Man you people are low. Below is the response I had just given to this post. What a joke you people are.

          • Travis L.

            What are you talking about??

          • Striper Chaser

            Screw you. Just another in a long line of people that not only can’t defend Rogers, can’t point to research, and can’t argue fairly.

          • Travis L.

            You have got the wrong person dude. I don’t know what your issue is but I’m trying to get answers and people here are saying you are some piece of work, and then you go off on me?

          • Striper Chaser

            Right. DUDE. Right. You know and you know that I do. You can continue to play games if you like. You need to switch names before you post. DUDE. ;)

          • Travis L.

            I’m the idiot for defending you I guess. Thanks anyway.

          • Striper Chaser

            Yeah, gotcha, Carolyn WW.

          • Travis L.

            I don’t know who Carolyn W is but good luck with that!

          • Striper Chaser

            Right.

          • Dixie

            Hey guest. Mihans/Bounty is always looking for a “fair argument”. Debate is one thing but to ask for a fair argument is an oxymoron at best.

          • Travis L.

            I guess this guy is pretty paranoid for some reason. He jumped on me out of the blue and I told you I didn’t even know the man to criticize what he did.

          • Striper Chaser

            Carolyn – that’s quite a tale. But dudes don’t go back to the chick to appeal to about stuff. They take care of it themselves. Best thing you can do is pull this nonsense down.

          • Travis L.

            Maybe guys like you don’t. We’re obviously not the same kind of guy. I also don’t go around jumping on people I don’t know. This lady said you made comments about her daughter so I was responding to HER.

          • Striper Chaser

            I see.

          • Travis L.

            Oh now I see, your name is actually Dixie LMAO and you accuse me of being someone else? Did you make up the whole daughter story too?

          • Darkdruid

            Really??? The DNR is out to get Dr. Rogers??? If so why have they approved permits since 1999 for his research? They have all the frequencies for his research bears; if they wanted to stop him the DNR could have found the bears and removed the collars. The DNR isn’t the evil organization that some people try to make them out as. Just as Dr. Rogers isn’t the evil man that others have tried to insinuate.

          • ssunray

            The DNR commissioner has changed since then. Trouble has started since 2010-2011. After Hope was shot, who was well known all over the world, people responded outraged over this, which did not sit well with hunters, even though Dr. Lynn Rogers himself said it was just unfortunate (Hope had gotten rid of her collar). This was unfortunate for the research because of specific research possibilities of Hope. So, Dr. Lynn Rogers organized a petition to request for legal protection of collared bears from hunting (as advised by the head of the DNR). It was denied, and since then there has been gradual and senseless cutting down the number of collars allowed, etc, with the announcement a month ago that his research permit is retracted based on reasons that were never a requirement in the first place, false accusations, and unfounded beliefs rather than factual info. A DNR worker in the area of Ely basically invents his own reports. Surely, not all DNR workers are ‘evil’, but some use total unethical and false methods to ‘build a case’ on what is basically air and lies; and have very long toes and a very personal grudge.

          • Striper Chaser

            You could look at it that way. However, since Hope was shot there have been no Peer-Reviewed Published Papers as required. That would be the proper way to look at it.

            You could also say since no comets have hit earth during this time the DNR clamped down. That would be wrong too.

            You guys really need to get over this hope bear scat. Her entire story was made up. Didn’t you hear?

          • ssunray

            Weird then that http://www.bearstudy.org/website/publications/published-papers.html has a paper of 2012 mentioned, and 5 more in 2011.

          • Striper Chaser

            Yeah, see, well, they’re not pertaining to the permit. And most of them aren’t peer reviewed. Those that are hold old data. Disappointing, I know.

          • ssunray

            The permit never required peer reviewed articles.

          • Striper Chaser

            Certainly it did. The minute the cover letter made it a requirement it became a requirement. Prior to that Rogers said it was paramount to publish. Yeah, sorry. It did.

          • ssunray

            There was a concern expressed in the cover letter, and Rogers reply:

            “Although DNR Director of Communications Chris
            Niskanen said on KBJR TV on January 30, 2013, “He has not demonstrated any kind of peer reviewed research or published any data that’s been collected under this permit for the past decade,” the fact is that we have a strong, professional record of publishing in peer reviewed scientific journals, presenting at professional bear conferences, completing a master’s thesis, and disseminating solid scientific data to biologists and the public all since the study began in 1996 and since our permit was granted in 1999. Our recent publication record is detailed in Rogers Permit Report - June 1, 2013 (see pages 2-5 of Attachment C). Since then, both abstracts for the International Wolf Conference (IWC) have been peer reviewed and accepted for publication in the IWC Proceedings. We will present the papers at the IWC October 10-13, 2013, in Duluth, Minnesota. There should be no doubt that with DNR cooperation we will publish in the future as we have in the past.”

            An issue since 2011 is that

            a) DNR has limited the number of collars (which wasn’t limited before, but more than 20 was not workable anyway) to 15 and then to 12. Even the necessary 20 is far below the number of collars than DNR collars themselves. Still, one needs a decent amount of data before able to write a paper on it. If DNR so wished Rogers to publish data of his research, then it makes no sense to arbitrarily shrink the amount of study bears.

            b) They have also been very vague and difficult about renewing permits, which made it impossible for Rogers to invite a student to his organisation to write their thesis for their master or Phd on black bears. He couldn’t even promise them that DNR would still allow him a permit.

            So, the DNR has sabotaged the possibility for Roger’s to generate an optimum amount of peer reviewed papers.

          • Striper Chaser

            Rogers reply is meaningless. He didn’t meet his requirements. And by the way – it’s a flat out falsehood that abstracts are peer-reviewed papers.

          • ssunray

            Because DNR heightened other requirements that sabotage publication

            “A major hindrance to our research and publishing is the constant DNR threats to end it. These threats prevent us from working with grad students to produce theses and dissertations for publication. Grad students cannot trust their academic futures toresearch projects that could end at the whim of the permitting agency. DNR threats toend the project began in January 2008. By then, Sue Mansfield had submitted her master’s thesis, but we haven’t dared to commit to another grad student since then.”

            They themselves have had to spend lots of their time dealing with threats, rebuttals, and kafkian treatment to find out the particulars on allegations against falsely accused bears by the DNR local manager.

            So, DNR has sabotaged Roger’s research for a couple of years and then complains ‘hasn’t published enough papers’. pffff.

          • Striper Chaser

            Let’s agree to disagree.

          • ssunray

            I know I’m not gonna convince you… but I’d like to thank you for the opportunity for me to present the arguments.

          • Striper Chaser

            Ditto Back.

          • Striper Chaser

            It’s from the early 90s and the 80s. It doesn’t pertain to the permit. Read it.

          • ssunray

            It mentions peer reviewed sources of 2011, aside from 80s and 90s sources.

          • Striper Chaser

            What?

          • Striper Chaser

            From the 2013 Permit – We continue to be concerned about the lack of scientific publications resulting from your research. We
            have previously stated an expectation that you would begin to publish the results of your research in scientific journals so that it can be of use to other bear scientists and managers.”

          • officerjoe

            Have you ever read a scientific publication in your entire life?

          • Dixie

            Why does the DNR get to dictate to a research biologist when he has to publish? Some one somewhere in this thread said publish or parish. That is very true in the competitive Acedemic sense. WRI is not a collage and this is groundbreaking research, so “peer review” would merely be telling other biologists what he is doing and why and then he’d have to tell them there are no conclusions because it is a generational study and not all the data is in. It would probably be further along if some of his subjects weren’t shot, or his collaring arbitrarilly curtailed.
            BTW unless you can prove that slander you keep spewing about Hope, I have a hope that Dr Rogers and Sue Mansfield sue you so thoroughly it will make you a nice guy for fear of some of the rest of us suing you next. Personally, I am giving them first crack at you.

      • Don- Minn- Jay

        there is alot of ”reports/data/changing reports” that all the researchers are asking is a fair hearing. they have been asking the DNR for along time for a face to face meeting with no response. then the DNR only listened to people against the research an went out of their way to get info. be it the truth or not, DNR didnt care. there are reports of DNR changing reports>> from ‘ a bear’>> to a ‘a nuisance WRI bear’.. DOC ROGERS has put over 40 years of his life into black bear research an education. doesnt he deserve a chance to ”face his accusers” ? i bet ”we” all would want a chance to have a fair chance. the meeting the researchers had with the DNR an GOVERNOR had the results preset ”before” the meeting. not to fair in my eyes.

        • Darkdruid

          Seems like people on both sides already have the tar boiling and are plucking feathers.

      • Dixie

        No, the DNR has already stated they will not give him a permit no matter what. Will they eliminate bears? Possibly. If there are no bears to follow they think the fans will dwindle away. Some probably would move on to something else, but as the education continues there would be new people following, so it probably wouldn’t make a lot fo difference. They won’t move the study bears, there is no bear habitat for them that doesn’t already have it’s own bear population.
        In all sincerity, there is more than just revenge and jealousy going on here. I am not saying anything more about that except to say “follow the money” .

  • Striper Chaser

    http://www.startribune.com/local/east/217191121.html

    Researcher Lynn Rogers not only abused his bears, but they lost their fear of humans after hand-feeding and were biting neighbors, a boy and research participants, the state Department of Natural Resources said in court papers filed Friday.

    The DNR memorandum defended the department’s decision to yank Roger’s bear research permit after 14 years and order that the internationally known Rogers remove by July 31 all electronic collars from the bears he had been studying.

    Rogers had sued the department earlier this week, contending the revocation is unsupported by the evidence and violates his due process rights. Rogers also asked a judge to issue a temporary restraining order and reinstate the study permit.

    A hearing is set for Monday in Ramsey County District Court.

    DNR Commissioner Tom Landwehr halted Rogers’ research June 28 based on his lack of published peer-reviewed literature despite years of research, methodology that could hurt bears and place the public at risk, and for repeatedly violating terms of his study permit.

    Rogers hit bears and admitted mistreating them, the agency said in a defendant’s memorandum.

    “Any violation of the terms or conditions of a research permit is immediate revocation of the permit,” says the DNR response.

    It notes that in 1998, Rogers collared a bear without the required permit. In 1999, he applied for a DNR research and education permit. Within a year, his supervisors were apprehensive about his methodology.

    “By 2012, the risks to public safety associated with habituated study bears had risen beyond a level acceptable to DNR,” the court papers say.

    Joy Powell • 612-673-7750

    • Dixie, Dawns mom remember me?

      Mihans, you and your witch/warlock crew are so full of brown goo I am surprised you can walk or talk. You do talk crap though so………..
      Here is a DNR video that actually shows a bear so habituated to a hunters bail pile it won’t shoo away. And quoting the people being sued for lying and obfuscation is not proof that your defense of them is the only correct answer to this mess.

      http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.huntercourse.com%2Fdreamhunt%2F&h=ZAQHxI2D5

      It is nice that you had facebook ban me for three days. Frees up a lot of time to see what you and evil cabal are up to. I love that you are taking credit for leading the DNR around by the nose. Good job, so your ladies had no input in it?

      • Dixie

        facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.huntercourse.com%2Fdreamhunt%2F&h=ZAQHxI2D5
        remember to add the http://www.

      • Striper Chaser

        I leave you to it, Dixie. This is the type of thing you desire you may have it. You and all of your friends and your acting have surely amused me. And of course have surely taken anything of substance away from this thread which was your goal. You don’t like substance in your research either.

        Please feel free to do and say what you will. Come Monday, it’ll be alright, come Monday…

        …Enjoy Dear Heart – Enjoy!

        • Dixie

          You are so predictable. You really think I should just let you trash my poor daughter, and me, and just go away? Any mother would have done worse to you than I have. Parents shouldn’t outlive their children.
          You always go too far and get in trouble, which is always someone elses fault, and then you turn on the pity poor me crap and your evil ones pat you on the back and tell you how wonderful you are and then it all starts over.
          Yes Monday will tell, and one way or another I know you and your crew won’t stop at getting the research permit taken away. Your crew will still want more revenge than that. They are still jealous and resentful and sooner or later will have to admit they care nothing about bear research.

  • Striper Chaser

    http://www.startribune.com/loc

    Researcher Lynn Rogers not only abused his bears, but they lost their fear of humans after hand-feeding and were biting neighbors, a boy and research participants, the state Department of Natural Resources said in court papers filed Friday.

    The DNR memorandum defended the department’s decision to yank Roger’s bear research permit after 14 years and order that the internationally known Rogers remove by July 31 all electronic collars from the bears he had been studying.

    Rogers had sued the department earlier this week, contending the revocation is unsupported by the evidence and violates his due process rights. Rogers also asked a judge to issue a temporary restraining order and reinstate the study permit.

    A hearing is set for Monday in Ramsey County District Court.

    DNR Commissioner Tom Landwehr halted Rogers’ research June 28 based on his lack of published peer-reviewed literature despite years of research, methodology that could hurt bears and place the public at risk, and for repeatedly violating terms of his study permit.

    Rogers hit bears and admitted mistreating them, the agency said in a defendant’s memorandum.

    “Any violation of the terms or conditions of a research permit is immediate revocation of the permit,” says the DNR response.

    It notes that in 1998, Rogers collared a bear without the required permit. In 1999, he applied for a DNR research and education permit. Within a year, his supervisors were apprehensive about his methodology.

    “By 2012, the risks to public safety associated with habituated study bears had risen beyond a level acceptable to DNR,” the court papers say.

    Joy Powell • 612-673-7750

  • Guest

    I’ve had quite a bit of fun with you people over the last few days. At every turn they’ve been bested. And why? Because what else do you expect from people that truly like the vapid updates??

    And as the curtain draws down to close on the final act they’ll always wonder – why they didn’t learn chess…………and instead played other games. Adios!

    • Striper Chaser

      Did you get it? OK. Good.

    • Dixie

      Adios, goodbye, tata, adieu,sayonara,aloha. I’ll believe it when I see it though. I can think of 12 or 15 times you have said similar things, but like a bad penny you keep coming back.

  • Pearly

    Yikes! This is just like the Huffington post. Nothing gets you guys fired up like conservative women and animals.

  • Charlotte

    Now that I can post in peace. Absolutely yes. When I hiked in the smoky Mt. I was terrified, not of seeing a bear but a bear would see me. I believed they would attack me and kill. When my daughter moved to the Pisgah National Forest I was terrified a bear would come in the yard. If I owned a gun I would have shot it.
    Then I found the first Lily den cam and followed Dr. Rogers research ever since. What I have learned is beyond what I ever knew about bears. How there was so much misconception, how to coexist, and know what these beautiful animals are like in there own habit, how they raise their young. what they like to eat, how they hibernate, and so much more. These bears are so valuable to Dr. Rogers research and to discontinue at this time would end the cycle of these bears family and lives. Watching the generations of these bears evolve has been so much joy to me and hundreds of thousands of others all over the world. Dr. Rogers should have a chance to finish the job he started which has been his love, his life, his career. He has been wrongly judged, and lied about along with his research bears. What these people have done is beyond ethical, with lack of conscience, caring, and understanding what his research is all about and what it has taught so many with his education. I hope he can win back his permit and be allowed to continue in educating us all

  • Striper Chaser

    Seems funny that Striper continued to post here long after I left. Have fun with it.

  • johgan tds.net

    It was devastating to learn that Dr. Rogers was losing his permit and the den cam would be discontinued. The information that has been provided has been a gift to many people throughout the world. I have spent many hours watching the den cams. I have been reading from the list of 132 publications on the WRI (also provided by Dr. Rogers). We camp in the BWCA and many other places with bears. We have met a few bears out there and the bears have always been more afraid of us. I believe that the DNR and the state of MN have treated Dr. Rogers unfairly, particularly in light of his hard work and the educational benefits he has provided to children and adults as well. I believe that he is sending a positive message about the black bears in the Great North Woods of Minnesota. He is very respected and well-known throughout the world. I want the DNR to know that because of Dr. Roger’s updates and website that we are “BEAR AWARE” for all of our camping endeavors. I hope that he will continue to fight for the retention of his right as a bear biologist to continue sharing his work via the den cams, and feel that his full priveleges

  • concerned citizen

    Do all bear reserchers feed bears nuts from their mouth? According to a recent article in the local newspaper that is what he has done (with a pic) http://www.twincities.com/outdoors/ci_23743080/dave-orrick-photos-mouth-feeding-bears-make-us

    Also the video of Mr. Rogers punching a bear & stating that he has punched bears before seems like another example of his lack of professionalism.
    To view the video seach “lynn rogers punches bear” on youtube.

  • Ranger

    Here is the link to the
    Lynn-Rogers-Bear-Face-Punch (cue it up to 1:58)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY5W872bH1A ISH! Listen to the end of the video! He has done it before and has been “…too hard on them lately,,,”
    The Great Spirit may need to intervene.