What would you like to hear from the NRA?

After its initial silence following the Connecticut school shootings, the National Rifle Association has announced that it will hold a press conference on Friday and “offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again.” Today’s Question: What would you like to hear from the NRA?

  • Bob

    Something rational for once.

  • Bob

    Whatever they say, they need to say it in the town square of Newtown, Conneticut.

  • Lou

    Their conclusion that assault rifles have no place in a civilized society and they would recommend banning them for everyone outside of the military or the law enforcement community. And then their decision to dissolve their organization.

  • Kurt

    I’m not sure it matters. Perhaps if they were treated as equal partners as opposed to being cast as “bitter clingers”, some progress might be made. As, with most problems facing this country, that’s not likely to happen.

  • James

    That we are sickened by the violence in Newtown, Connecticut and and realized the error of our ways so have decided to close our doors.

  • GregX

    Support for :

    – a federal gun owners license

    – a federal gun registry

    – a requirement that all gun transfers including gifts or sales, ONLY occur when the two following conditions are met (1) all parties to the transfer are legal licensed gun owners or federally licensed gun dealers and (2) the change in ownership/control is certifiably registered in the federal gun registry prior to physical transfer for possession.

    In a data driven society – gun ownership needs to start generating real ownership and transfer data. The NRA knows this and maintains a similar database of membership.

    We also need to regulate the ammunition.

    …. and an admission that the 2nd Amendment is NOT more important than any other Amendment – nor does it grant absolute rights to guns – that substantive regulation can be applied while still supporting the right.

  • John

    That guns don’t kill people, that psychotropic (anti-depression) drugged up people do.

  • Steve the Cynic

    It doesn’t much matter. Anything they say will be too little, too late. After several decades of politicking, they’ve succeeded in getting 5/9 of the Supreme Court to agree to the idea that the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual right to own and carry guns, rather than the right of the states to maintain militias, which is contrary to the plain meaning of the text, and contrary to the way it was commonly understood for two centuries. (Talk about judicial activism!) The damage is done. The NRA could abolish itself tomorrow, and nothing would change.

  • Reasonable person

    That they are happy to report that, now that they’ve been taking their prescribed meds regularly, as their psychiatrists recommended, they realize how delusional and bizarre their arguments have been, and they will now shift gears and work to preserve the only right enshrined in the 2nd Amendment: The right to keep and bear a musket.

  • Bill

    “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms,” said Thomas Jefferson, “…is to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”

    Then they should remind everyone that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has also purchased all the following ammunition in addition to the 450 million rounds of .40 hollow point “anti-personnel” ammo:

    • Over one million rounds of hollow-point .223 rifle ammo

    • Over half a million rounds of non-hollow-point .223 rifle ammo

    • 220,000 rounds of 12 gauge shotgun #7 ammo (target ammo)

    • Over 200,000 rounds of 12 gauge shotgun #00 buckshot ammo (tactical anti-personnel ammo)

    • 66,000 rounds of 12 gauge shotgun slugs (tactical anti-personnel, anti-vehicle rounds)

    • Over two million rounds of hollow-point .357 Sig JPH (hollow-point) pistol ammo (anti-personnel)

    • Over four million rounds of .40 S&W JPH (hollow-point) pistol ammo (anti-personnel)

    • Over 60,000 rounds of .308 match grade anti-personnel sniper rounds (BTHP)

    • Plus, hundreds of thousands of additional rounds of .38 special, .45 auto, 9mm, 7.62×39 (AK rifle) ammo, and others.

    Note that the DHS is domestic ONLY!

  • kurt nelson

    Honesty would be nice.

    Here is the text of the 2nd A

    “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”.

    Here is the text of the 2nd A that the cowards at the NRA put on the side of their headquarters.

    “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”.

    Notice any difference. Maybe the person carving the phrase forgot to add the first clause, or maybe, a well regulated militia might mean that regulation is the most important part of the amendment, but the cowards at the NRA thought, well lets rewrite history

    They are in the untenable position of supporting the murder of children so others can have a weapon with no legitimate use. They must be very proud.

  • BJ

    In reply to Bill’s ammo numbers: TheDepartment of Homeland Security (DHS) runs the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, headquartered in Glynco, Ga., where every gun-handling federal agent from federal marshals to IRS agents to USDA chicken inspectors get their firearms training.

    DHS has about 100,000 members that carry weapons. So adding up all your ammo numbers, besides the .40 hollow point “anti-personnel”, ammo that is about roughly 6 million rounds or about 60 rounds per person. 450 million .40 hollow point “anti-personnel” ammo is over 5 years, but let’s just say it’s in 1 year, that is 22.5 million range visits (20 rounds per range visit). I think it is pretty safe to say that we might have 1 million (probable closer to 10 million but hey) federal officers that might use the range for 22.5 range visits per year, that is a lot of range visits in 1 year, but again the 450 million rounds is an order for 5 years.

  • Steve the Cynic

    That would be the same Thomas Jefferson, Bill, who couldn’t be persuaded to abolish slavery, right?

  • Jim G

    I want to hear common sense concessions on their part, but before that the NRA needs to make an apology to the parents and families of Sandy Hook Elementary. Why should they apologize? We need to know that they care: that they understand that the NRA is responsible for the inability of Congress to address firearm violence and prevalence. The NRA must acknowledge that their short sighted “me first” lobbying efforts have enabled the shooters to obtain weapons of mass slaughter. I’m a former member of the NRA before it was co-opted by right wing militias and gun manufacturers. When it was primarily a sportsmen’s organization it was an association with which I could relate. I was proud to be a member in those days, but those days are long past.

    I want to hear that the NRA will not obstruct beefed up and mandatory background checks for all purchases of guns including the gun show loop hole which now accounts for 40% of gun sales. I want to hear the NRA back an assault weapons ban. I want the NRA to support a maximum clip size of 10 rounds. I want the NRA to call for increased funding for state and federal initiatives focused on improving mental health, especially for our vulnerable young men. The depressed, violent, abused, bullied, bullies, psychotic and unloved young men who should be identified, helped, and loved. Let’s help them back away from the edge of hopelessness and madness. Let’s help them see the value of their lives and the lives of those around them. Let’s get them into treatment before they jump into the darkness and pull our kids in with them. I want the NRA to back up their words, “insure that these mass shooting can never happen again.”

    However, if the NRA proposes the arming and training of teachers to be proficient in close-quarter combat, or turning our schools into fortresses with armor-plated doors and windows, well… I’ll know that we citizens will have to by-pass the NRA, because it will have become irrelevant in our quest to prevent our sons, daughters, wives, mothers, and fathers, all of us from being cut down before our appointed time.

  • Lance

    I’d like to hear that they too were horrified by the news of the shooter in Newtown, that they mourn the loss of life that is so precious, especially such young innocent children.

    I’d like to hear that they understand that no amount of gun legislation can keep someone bent on destruction from killing – even killing one’s mother and stealing her legally purchased and possessed firearms and using them to create such havoc – breaking 20 existing firearms laws in the process.

    I’d like to hear that they, as much as anyone, would like to keep our children safe from such egregious acts, and therefore they’ve set up an independent organization to partner with schools to offer free training and liability insurance to school districts that would like to participate in a trial of arming only those teachers willing and able to carry a concealed weapon – such training to stress that the weapon is to be used only in the event of life-threatening situations.

  • Jefferson

    I would like to hear the NRA talk about closing loop holes when purchasing firearms. We need tougher background checks and we need to make sure mentally unstable people are not allowed to possess any firearms. We could also create a database of individuals who own “assault style” weapons and have strict rules about keeping those weapons locked up in secure gun safes and to report theft of such weapons immediately (along with a fine for the owner not properly securing the firearm). We could make the sale of extended clips illegal to sell from this point on as well, but I highly doubt people would freely give them up…they would simply keep the clips they own hidden or sell them into what will become a black market. The genie is already out of the bottle, the guns are out there so trying to take guns away from legal gun owners is going to create more harm than good. BTW, there are over 1 million AR-15’s in the US currently…if you think it’s going to be possible to take them away from every person that owns them then I don’t think you’re being realistic.

  • kevins

    Well said by Jim G. and I have little to add. As a former NRA member, I wish they would quit fueling the paranioa of pseudo-patriots, many of whom are ignorant and intolerant of ideas other that theirs. The NRA used to be more than a trade org. for gun dealers.

  • Philip

    Before anyone else comments it might be worth noting there are approximately 4.3 million members of the NRA. Also consider the number of people who are hunters and/or support gun ownership who are not members. It’s interesting to listen to people attack the organization, as though it were this single, non-human demon and not recognize there are a lot of supporters of the NRA among your family, friends, neighbors, etc., and these people are just as horrified as you are about the murder of children.

  • Lance

    Kurt Nelson

    The right is granted to The People, not to the State. In fact, the State is prohibited from infringing the right.

    What did it mean to be a “well regulated Militia”? Well, the Militia consisted of every able bodied man between the ages of 15 and 60 not inclusive. So, what did well regulated mean?

    To regulate was to make regular, meaning, orderly, disciplined and quite predictable, as in, to regulate a clock. In the context of human beings, to regulate them is to bring a person or body of persons to order; in military terms, it would mean to become well trained and “regular” in the military and martial arts.

    In the pre-Revolutionary period, in military parlance, regulation was near synonymous with training and drilling, with the goal of regulating or making regular. To this day, the term regular soldier is a military term that means, precisely, professional soldier. Not a conscript or draftee; not a militiaman; not a part-time soldier. All of these might become more regulated, but they could never or seldom hope to achieve the level of professionalism of the regular soldier unless and until they lived the life of a soldier full-time.

    In pre-Revolutionary times, the most awesome and feared soldier on any potential field of battle was the red-coated British Regular; he was referred to as a Regular because of his utter predictability. He would not only exhibit good order in his marching, uniform and equipment, but he could be absolutely counted upon to not break ranks under fire. Any unit of Regulars that would be put into the field by the British could be expected to be a virtual killing machine, because of their extreme regulation. They would be referred to as a well regulated military unit.

  • Bill

    The NRA should offer free training to ALL teachers for carrying a handgun. Being that schools are GUN FREE ZONES make it the best place for crazy drugged individuals to have free rein over anyone there (Columbine High School, Sandy Hook Elementary for example).

    Where people can conceal and carry crime rates have dramatically dropped. Ask any cop.

  • Richard

    “We’ll give up machine guns when you legalize marijuana.”

  • kurt nelson

    Lance,

    My point was their dishonesty with regard to the 2nd A. For an organization built on the amendment, you would think they would be honest enough to include the entire text, not the text that suits their brand of terror.

    Not sure what your point is however. The 2nd A did not exist in pre-revolutionary times (remember, the Constitution came after the Revolutionary war), so why are you talking about it. You seem to say regulation is fine for drilling and maintaining order, but it excludes any regulation on the weapons those militias use – is that correct?

    Philip,

    DOes that horror translate to distancing yourself from a terrorist organization, or do you continue the status quo, shake your head, and then head to Bill’s to buy an AR15 before the gubmint takes them away.

  • GregX

    ,i> Bill – “Where people can conceal and carry crime rates have dramatically dropped. Ask any cop.

    Bill – Incorrect you and your “ask-a-cops” are confusing correlation with functional cause and effect.

    The single biggest FUNCTIONAL CAUSE in reduction of crime rates (as noted in aggregate national crime statistics) in the last 40 years is the dropping percentage of youth (ages 12-27) in our national population. Youth are the most likely to commit violent and or property crimes – with or without a weapon.

    As individuals age – they are less and less likely or capable of committing those crime’s. We are an older population – if you haven’t heard about the social security problem – you are one of the few.

    CnC has , effectively, no substantive and demonstrable data-driven verifiable mechanics of cause that generate the effect of lower crime rates. There is only vague presumption and ignorance of the wider real environment of impinging factors.

  • Ann

    Timothy McVeigh didn’t kill the children and adults with guns. The World Trade Center didn’t go down with guns. The issues are too complex. There is little that the NRA can do.

  • Gary F

    So, we ban “assault rifles” we ban large magazines, just what do you do with all of them currently in existence? Take them from us? What about all of them that will be purchased illegally? Lots pf things are illegal and people still own them.

    Doesn’t the Second Amendment exist so we can protect ourselves from tyrannical government?

    For all those that called George Bush “Hitler”, if he truly were Hitler, wouldn’t you want an AR15 to protect yourself from his goons?

  • Lance

    Kurt, sorry for PRE-revolutionary. Take out the PRE and perhaps it will make sense to you. Yes, the constitution was ratified in 1789 and the Bill of Rights (including the 2nd amendment) in 1791 – post-revolution – not a huge time-frame difference for the meaning of the word to have changed, especially in that context, when we still use the term ‘regular’ soldier today.

    Perhaps the NRA doesn’t include that part of the phrasing so that they aren’t distracted from the point by having to have this same conversation every time somebody new reads it and decides to say, “but it says regulated in the amendment.”

    And you’re still missing the point – regulated means the militia, made up of the people (not a standing army) should be well versed and well trained in how to use the arms that they are free to keep and to bear.

  • Gary F

    Better throw in box cutters with your assault weapons ban,.

  • CJ

    Yes, absolutely, guns for teachers. Makes perfect sense. Because it’s not like we can imagine that somehow, some way some disturbed kid (or adult) is going to figure out where that gun’s stashed and how to get at it. Because a gun’s not much use to a teacher in an emergency situation unless it’s close at hand when they’re in the classroom and is either already loaded or has ammunition close at hand. So that disturbed person gets the gun, blows away everyone possible before help arrives, including himself and the whole desperate wailing of grief, confusion and despair unfurls yet again in a country that still can’t come to grips with how to deal with our true societal demons. Keep the lessons coming because we don’t care how much it hurts, we want to keep our guns.

  • Mary

    I’d love to hear them say they would support a ban on personal ownership of assault weapons and they are going back to their roots of teaching gun safety. I know that’s wishful thinking. My father was a member for years. He would take my brothers to NRA gun safety classes which were held in our towns schools. He made sure they knew how to handle a gun before he would take them hunting. He really appreciated the NRA. When they started to get involved in our political system and pull away from the safety aspect of their organization he gave up his membership. He could see where they were headed with their agenda and couldn’t support them any more. I agree with my dad, the NRA needs to get out of our political system.

  • Kurt

    @Kurt Nelson

    So….the NRA is a terrorist organization?

    I think my earlier point has been made. Terms like the pejorative “gubmint” are used to demonstrate what hicks are those with which you do not see eye-to-eye.

    All that does is insure that the no meaningful dialogue will occur.

    When is Hollywood holding their press release by the way?

    @Phillip

    I always enjoy reading a reasonable opinion on this site.

  • TJSwift

    I think we’re looking in the wrong direction for answers.

    Observe that all of these acts are being committed by kids who were products of the public school system, and all were taking psychotropic drugs since early childhood.

    What the heck is going on in there? Why are so many kids being medicated? What messages are these kids hearing that drive them to such rage?

    Parents used to have complete control over the environments their kids were put into…now, not only do we not have control; we have little to no say.

    If you’ve ever confronted a public school administrator regarding issues you do not agree with, you know parents are very deliberately marginalized. Also, in order to protect their leftist agenda, many schools make it incredibly hard for parents to “opt out” their kids from materials they object to.

    ..I want to hear what the NEA has to say fot itself.

  • Jefferson

    Everyone is still very emotional after this situation, which is understandable. But we need to step back and slow down before we start demanding that either we have guns in every school or take away guns from responsible gun owners.

    We should have a discussion about other more common sense solutions to problems like this one. Why aren’t we talking about allowing a mace type weapon in schools and giving some school workers training on how to use that particular type of product? Those mace type weapons have a large range (90+ feet) and would accomplish the same goal as disabling any sort of violent individual…we need to begin to go down the road of common sense before immediately running to our political corners and demanding that some sort of overreaching law or action needs to be taken.

  • Steve the Cynic

    Get your facts straight, TJSwift. The perpetrator of the Newtown shooting spree was pulled out of public schools twice; once to attend a Catholic school, and once to be home schooled. He never graduated but did get a GED. As for the psychotropic meds, are you sure you’re not confusing cause with effect? It’s kids with poor impulse control who get those prescriptions.

  • John

    To Steve the Cynic:

    One of the most common side effects of psychiatric drugs is violent outbursts and thoughts of suicide … the Columbine High School shooters were, of course, on psychiatric drugs at the time they shot their classmates in 1999. Suicidal tendencies and violent, destructive thoughts are some of the admitted behavioral side effects of mind-altering prescription medications.\

    We need to look at these drugs and the rampant unnecessary use!

    Life is a bitch, it can be depressing, but get used to it, its not going to get much better.

  • david

    “Our bad”

  • Carrie

    I don’t want to hear anything from the NRA.

  • Gary F

    So what do you do with all the ones that are currently out there?

  • georges

    I have already proven, on these pages, that the problem isn’t guns…….

    But, rather, the Culture of Liberal Ideas that our country has become.

    Now, for the simple minded…..or the simply slow…….here are some questions to ponder.

    Would it make you feel any better if the murderer had stolen his mother’s car, and planned his horror for when the little kids were outside in a bunch waiting for the buses or playing outside or whatever and sped into them at high speed over and over and over until he had killed 50 or more and maimed just as many?

    Or, would it have been better for you in some way if the mentally ill murderer had stolen $20 dollars from his mother and spent it on gasoline and executed a well-organized plan blocking off all exits and flash firing a few rooms full of little scholars who then died from flame and heat and burning clothes and unknowable panic and terror? And he would have achieved a much higher total killed and far greater terror generated.

    How about if he had “fixed” the brakes on school buses so that they would fail? Or attached bombs to the gas tanks of the buses? Or just bombed the classrooms? Or highjacked a bus with 60 children aboard and then killed them all with a machete?

    Or poisoned the food in the school lunchroom. He could have killed hundreds with that method. Feeling any better yet?

    These are some of the methods favored in the parts of the world where firearms are difficult to obtain. Do they sound like a better deal to you?

    Some have been done here also, of course. Look up Happyland. 87 murdered there. And if the 27 buried in the Chowchilla schoolbus kidnapping 36 years ago in California had not been so determined to escape all would have died in that hole.

    It is childish to think banning guns will help the situation. Indeed, it will make it worse. Much worse.

    No problem of this sort has ever been caused by the available tools. It is caused by the ideas in the minds of men. Act now to correct the Liberal Thoughts that are the root cause of these murders.

    For every person, such as myself, that is chopping at the root of evil, there are millions picking at the leaves.

    Join me. We can fix the real problem.

  • Regnar James

    I will never give up my guns. Sorry…. just no.

    DTOM

  • suzie

    If I want to legally drive a car, I must past the drivers test and then purchase insurance in order to get the license plate for my car. The NRA could underwrite and teach classes in gun safety and responsibility to future gun owners. Not just about the right to own guns, but the responsibilities that goes along with gun ownership. They can also underwrite insurance that a gun owner can purchase, just in case one of his/her gun is used in an illegal manner.

    The future gun owner must then pass tests to be able to get a license. Then they can purchase their gun and register it.

    The mother of the coward that killed all those children purchased the guns for herself and her son. Hopefully, if they would have had to attend classes, take a test to obtain a license, she would have understood that her son was not someone who should have had access to guns.

    We must start somewhere and if it begins with gun ownership and the types of guns that civilians can own – so be it. Until one you comes up with the cure all, we have to start somewhere.

    It’s time for the NRA to worry less about their rights and start demanding responsibility. It’s time for them to grow up and face reality – it’s not just about them.

  • Pat

    Do not give away your right to own a firearm- EVER!

    Do as much as possible to keep deranged people away from fireams.

  • an imagined NRA spokesperson

    I can only imagine the following, I wish their message was something like this:

    We at the NRA acknowledge that the ease of access to firearms and the ease they allow someone to kill many people at once is a determining factor in crimes of mass murder. The statement ‘guns don’t kill people, people kill people’ is a deflecting fallacy.

    Many of our members and gun enthusiasts in general have an inordinate fascination and obsession with guns. This goes beyond other enthusiast behaviors in that for some there is a stronger psychological component to owning and operating a gun. This zeal for ownership is somewhat obsessive and for some is derived from feelings of powerlessness, paranoia, anxiety and fear.

    We acknowledge that we have played a major role in defining and bolstering this gun culture in the US. We have used language from the US constitution to create a narrative about freedom in order to appeal to the aforementioned base emotions of gun enthusiasts. This narrative was for the sole purpose of defending and strengthening our organization, and not for any broader defense of the constitution or citizen’s freedom in general. Thus our narrative has been largely political and self-serving, not pragmatic or for any greater good.

    Thus we acknowledge our responsibility to change our message in order to progressively moderate and shape this culture.

  • Jefferson

    A lot of people seem to be confused on the difference between an assault style weapon and any semi-automatic gun…there is no difference in functionality. Every handgun out there (except some flint locks from the 1700’s) is semi-automatic, most hunting rifles are semi-automatic…they work exactly the same way as these “assault style” weapons, there is no functional difference. The only real difference is the name and the look of the weapon which doesn’t change how it works. I just hope we can be a bit more informed when having these conversations.

  • Steve the Cynic

    John, in my experience, the chief cause of violent outbursts and thoughts of suicide among young people is when they are perceived as different and then ostracized and bullied. There are two reasons those phenomena appear to be side effects of phychiatric meds. One is that too often kids are given the wrong meds, such as antidepressants for kids who aren’t depressed, or antipsychotics for kids who aren’t psychotic. The other is that, when the meds start working, the patient feels better, more empowered, and more likely to resolve to undertake some sort of action, and in the case of troubled young men, influenced by a culture of violence, that action may take the form of revenge.

  • georges

    “The NRA could underwrite and teach classes in gun safety and responsibility to future gun owners.”

    The NRA has been teaching gun safety every single day of its existence. Free of charge to anyone. The classes are excellent. Gun safety is what the NRA does.

    For those who have said the NRA shouldn’t have become “political”, it wouldn’t have, except for the anti-freedom nut cases that came along and tried, and are still trying, to destroy our Country. The NRA was just doing its thing, teaching people to use firearms legally and safely, then the Constitution was viciously attacked by the Fascists amongst us, and the NRA, reluctantly, had to come to the fore and defend our Country from enemies within. Nuff said.

  • david

    I get a kick out of those of you who think they are going to stop “the tyranny of government” with your little semi-automatic bushmaster. 223/5.56’s. Have you seen the hardware our government possesses? You would be dead before you could get the safety off.

  • Steve the Cynic

    Don’t be silly, jockamo/georges. Hardly anyone is arguing that the problem is guns, so your proof that it’s not misses the point entirely. The problem is too easy access to unnecessarily deadly guns by people who shouldn’t have them. As for those substitutes you list, those are mostly things that have legitimate uses other than killing people.

  • georges

    “Hardly anyone is arguing that the problem is guns…”

    Nonsense…..

    All you anti-people, pro-government Statists are saying the problem is guns, including you.

    To say you are not against guns in general, just the high capacity rapid-fire type……is like saying you are only against drunk drivers if they got drunk quickly on 100 proof vodka. If they got there on beer, that’s okay, because it was a slower journey.

    By the way, as to speed, have you ever seen a well practiced revolver man fire a 6 shot revolver?

    He can get off 30 rounds as fast as a semi-automatic user can. Half and full moons. It is amazing what a skilled wheel man can do.

    Har

  • Steve the Cynic

    “Anti-people”? Don’t be ridiculous. “Pro-government Statist”? You’re attacking a straw man. Your radically libertarian individualism. geockamo/jorges, is every bit as dehumanizing an ideology as radically socialist collectivism is.

  • Pat

    Steve the Cynic, WOW… throttle back on the caffeine.

  • georges

    As I always say, you can lead a liberal to the truth, but you can’t make him think.

    When you want the government to usurp a right that belongs to the People, you are pro-government and anti-People. Simple as that. It isn’t up for debate.

    Dehumanizing is what government does to the People……by stealing their rights.

  • Steve the Cynic

    Take a look in the mirror, geockamo. Replace “liberal” with “ideologue” in that saying of yours, and it would be more correct. You’re just as impervious to truth as you perceive others to be. And don’t assume everyone who disagrees with you is an extremist on the other side.

  • Regnar James

    “Shut-up, sit down, and start taking care of yourselves.”

    “Keep whatever gun you want,, Keep it safe from children and mentally unstable.. That is YOUR responsibility… Not the Government.”

    “If you witness an act of violence do everything necessary to stop it.”

    DTOM

  • Dave0204

    Nothing!!! Why are people looking to the NRA?? They are just another organization that focuses on an issue. Like acorn, planned parenthood, ACLU etc.

  • Linda in Plymouth

    This week Biden and Attorney General Eric Holder met with police dept leaders. Holder should concentrate on getting the weapons from the Mexican drug cartels that he and his minions _allowed _to be delivered to criminals. Yeah, he’s real concerned about gun violence! Obama administration controlled the House and Senate for 2 years_ what did they do on tis issue of banning 30 round magazines? Nothing and it wouldn’t change a thing. We have security officers and metal detectors at most court houses and DMV’s but we leave our over populated schools guarded by gerriatic women behind a glass booth. at a front door.

    Laws are abided by decent law abiding citizens. Disturbed and criminals pay no attention to the laws.

  • kevins

    No Bengazi connection Linda? Oh wait, no need if you have Holder to bash, neither of which have to do with the dead children in Conn.

  • bronwen lu

    MPR seems to be letting the gun industry highjack the discussion, with questions like this, and yesterday’s question about arming teachers. Why should we want to hear what the gun industry (through the NRA) has to say? How is that helpful? There is a real discussion to be had but this isn’t it.

  • Lao-tzu thru S. Mitchell

    if they could say:

    Weapons are the tools of violence;

    all decent men detest them.

    Weapons are the tools of fear;

    a decent man will avoid them

    except in the direst necessity

    and, if compelled, will use them

    only with the utmost restraint.

    Peace is his highest value.

    If the peace has been shattered,

    how can he be content?

    His enemies are not demons,

    but human beings like himself.

    He doesn’t wish them personal harm.

    Nor does he rejoice in victory.

    How could he rejoice in victory

    and delight in the slaughter of men?

    He enters a battle gravely,

    with sorrow and with great compassion,

    as if he were attending a funeral.

    The great Way is easy,

    yet people prefer the side paths.

    Be aware when things are out of balance.

    Stay centered within the Tao.

    When rich speculators prosper

    While farmers lose their land;

    when government officials spend money

    on weapons instead of cures;

    when the upper class is extravagant and irresponsible

    while the poor have nowhere to turn-

    all this is robbery and chaos.

    It is not in keeping with the Tao.

    If you want to be a great leader,

    you must learn to follow the Tao.

    Stop trying to control.

    Let go of fixed plans and concepts,

    and the world will govern itself.

    The more prohibitions you have,

    the less virtuous people will be.

    The more weapons you have,

    the less secure people will be.

    The more subsidies you have,

    the less self-reliant people will be.

    Therefore the Master says:

    I let go of the law,

    and people become honest.

    I let go of economics,

    and people become prosperous.

    I let go of religion,

    and people become serene.

    I let go of all desire for the common good,

    and the good becomes common as grass.

    The generals have a saying:

    “Rather than make the first move

    it is better to wait and see.

    Rather than advance an inch

    it is better to retreat a yard.”

    This is called

    going forward without advancing,

    pushing back without using weapons.

    There is no greater misfortune

    than underestimating your enemy.

    Underestimating your enemy

    means thinking that he is evil.

    Thus you destroy your three treasures

    and become an enemy yourself.

    When two great forces oppose each other,

    the victory will go

    to the one that knows how to yield.

    If a country is governed wisely,

    its inhabitants will be content.

    They enjoy the labor of their hands

    and don’t waste time inventing

    labor-saving machines.

    Since they dearly love their homes,

    they aren’t interested in travel.

    There may be a few wagons and boats,

    but these don’t go anywhere.

    There may be an arsenal of weapons,

    but nobody ever uses them.

    People enjoy their food,

    take pleasure in being with their families,

    spend weekends working in their gardens,

    delight in the doings of the neighborhood.

    And even though the next country is so close

    that people can hear its roosters crowing and its dogs barking,

    they are content to die of old age

    without ever having gone to see it.

    … I’d be supremely happy.

  • Tom

    Let’s ban the NRA!

  • Steve the Cynic

    I was appalled by what I did hear. It was a rationalization of a stance based on ideology, not evidence. The NRA spokesman demonized the mentally ill and deflected blame to the media and entertainment industries. Indeed, the mentally ill are more likely to be victims than perpetrators of violence, so by the perverse logic of the NRA, we should let them carry weapons. His use of terms like “good guys” and “bad guys” shows that the NRA’s understanding of human nature lacks a necessary nuance that recognizes how hard it can be to tell the difference (or even to discern one’s own motives at times). He spoke of how to stop “monsters,” but ignored the question of society’s complicity in the creation of such “monsters.” To the thoughtful listener, a major clue that the NRA is not open to actual discussion was the frequent use of the phrase, “The only way….” It reflects a lack of imagination.

  • Connie K

    So typical of an unreasonable NRA to come up with a “more guns” option. So the next school incident will be a re-enactment of the shoot out at the OK Corral! When will people become more important than firearms to NRA extremists?

    I’m not against REASONABLE bearing of arms. However, the right to bear arms does not include assault rifles or automatic weapons. Those are solely instruments of war designed for one purpose, killing as many people as possible as quickly as possible. These types of weapons didn’t even exist when the Constitution and Bill of Rights were written. The Founding Fathers would be appalled and they would not sanction the NRA’s unrestricted, intractable and unreasonable position.

  • georges

    Thank you, Wayne LaPierre. Thank you Thank you Thank you.

    Finally a voice of Reason in the wilderness of silly children commenting with a National microphone.

    As I have been saying, armed guards at all schools is the way to solve the problem. These deranged libs do not attack schools that are ready, willing and able to stop them dead before they can execute their vile plans.

    The only thing that is important to them is completing their plan. If they know they have little chance of executing what they have spent so much time planning out, they will not try at any place, school or otherwise, and will have to abort.

    Thanks again, Wayne………..for giving the wannabees the benefit of your expertise in this area.

  • Bob

    No one had the right answer. The NRA is so out of touch. LaPierre needs severe help with his mental health.

  • georges

    “I’m not against REASONABLE bearing of arms. However, the right to bear arms does not include assault rifles or automatic weapons.”

    Now, that is funny.

    Do you realize, connie k, how ridiculous that statement is?

    You say you are not against reasonable bearing of arms, then set yourself up as the absolute decider of what is reasonable and what is not reasonable.

    Fact is, ANY arms in the hands of a rational adult with the morals and sanity that nearly all American gun owners and NRA members have, is reasonable.

    A grenade launcher, in the hands of a decent person, will never be a danger to anyone….you, me, or children in school.

    On the other hand, a hat pin, in the hands of a person without morals or conscience, can be used to commit mass murder.

    If you want to stop these murders from happening, quit targeting the tool used and start targeting the leftist ideas that are the real problem.

    Put your energy to work solving the crisis instead of championing the false god of gun bans.

  • Jonathan

    The “comments powered by Disqus” doesn’t seem to be working.

    Teach only peace…and plants…plants that get you high and make you smart.

    Guns (weapons in general) are the tools of cowardice and violence, decent people will detest them.

    End the Prohibition of Cannabis/hemp. Start the promotion of living, loving, learning and leaving a legacy of Kindness and Wisdom.