How should the international community help Libya form a new government?

President Obama said Monday that the United States would help Libya establish a democracy to replace the regime of Moammar Gadhafi. Today’s Question: How should the international community help Libya form a new government?

  • GaryF

    The NATO countries that bombed Libya in the “kinetic military action” have some responsibilities.

  • Zach

    Pushing for a democracy or pluralism is a fools errand in this part of the world. If they want democracy, they should claim it for themselves.

  • Rich

    NATO Peacekeepers may be necessary. A new order will most urgently need robust policing rather than armed force.

  • Steve the Cynic

    Learn from the mistakes we made in Iraq. Most importantly, don’t arrogantly impose a system on them. It’s like helping kids with their homework. Advice, guidance, hints and encouragement are fine, but too much help is worse than no help at all.

  • John

    Protect the country’s GOLD from the banksters (IMF). Lybia has 143.8 tonnes of gold, according to the latest data from the International Monetary Fund, although some suspect the true amount could be several tonnes higher.

    Lybia had The Highest Human Development Index, The Lowest Infant Mortality & The Highest Life Expectancy in All of Africa! before the invasion.

  • GregX

    Treat them like competent equals. Be honest with them that we are looking out for our interests and that they should be looking for theirs. Be aware that China, Europe, India and other African nations are ahead of us in their relationships with Libya peoples, but America has many Libyans who studied here and are eager to go home and make that country work. Be there for them when they reach with questions. Deliver expertise in building “their” societal infrastructure and lay-off the “strategic psuedo-military development” program we tend to follow.

  • lucy

    //Protect the country’s GOLD from the banksters (IMF).

    +

    //Learn from the mistakes we made in Iraq. Most importantly, don’t arrogantly impose a system on them.

    yep.

  • Lisa Olson

    Unfortunately, there is not much we can do for people who view the world in terms of submission and domination. Any particular group that the West backs will be opposed by Jihadists, and letting them sort out their own democracy will be an equally ugly sight. When the majority does not value human rights, liberty and the environment, why should we expect anything other than the Arab staus quo? The only thing that can save this country philosophy- if only we had cruise missiles with philosophy warheads.

  • david

    The international community can do what it wants, and by that I mean France and Germany and who ever else is most affected by this. As for America we need to butt out and mind our own business for a change.

  • Chuck

    I don’t think that we, in the United States, have a good understanding of the culture of Libya, ie Islam, tribal differences, East and West differences, to offer them advice on how to govern themselves. They need to work that out.

    We should stand ready to assist them with strings free humanitarian and technical services to help speed the recovery of their country.

  • Terry

    Legalize all drugs and make drugs part of the public health and education focus.

  • James

    Just remember:

    In the province of connected minds, what the network believes to be true, either is true or becomes true within certain limits to be found experientially and experimentally. These limits are further beliefs to be transcended. In the network’s mind there are no limits. However, that while there are no absolute limits in the province of the mind there are real and definite limits in the province of the body. – Dr. John C. Lilly, M.D.

    The significant problems we have cannot be solved at the

    same level of thinking with which we created them. – Einstein

    Virtue is a middle position between two vices, one of excess and the other by default. – Aristotle

    Be very careful about locating good or God, right or wrong, legal or illegal, at your favorite level of consciousness. – Timothy Leary

    ‎There is no Devil, just God when He’s drunk.

    – Tom Waits

    ‎”some would deny any legitimate use of the word god because it has been misused so much. certainly it is the most burdened of all human words. precisely for that reason it is the most imperishable and unavoidable. and how much weight has all erroneous talk about god’s nature and works (although there never has been nor can be any such talk that is not erroneous) compared with the one truth that all men who have addressed god really meant him? for whoever pronounces the word god and really means thou, addresses, no matter what his delusion, the true thou of his life that cannot be restricted by any other and to whom he stands in a relationship that includes all others” martin buber

    “Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.”

    Charles Darwin

    Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality. – Carl Sagan

    All life is interrelated. We are all caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied into a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.This is the interrelated structure of reality.

    -Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

    But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you (Luke 6:27-28)

    “But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked”. (Luke 6:35)

    There’s some sort of quantum uncertainty law in operation that means that if a thought is pinned down too hard, if a thing is defined too exactly, then the essence and life of that experience is not properly conveyed. – Alan Moore

    Human physical life is addictive. – Robert Monroe

    There are just laws and there are unjust laws. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. – Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

    Two of my favorite things are sitting on my front porch smoking a pipe of sweet hemp, and playing my Hohner harmonica. – Abraham Lincoln, U.S. President, from a letter written by Lincoln during his presidency to the head of the Hohner Harmonica Company in Germany

    Prohibition… goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man’s appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes… A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded. – Abraham Lincoln

    Make the most of the Indian hemp seed, and sow it everywhere! – George Washington, First U.S. President

    “What was done with the seed saved from the India Hemp

    last summer? It ought, all of it, to have been sewn again;

    that not only a stock of seed sufficient for my own purposes

    might have been raised, but to have disseminated the seed

    to others; as it is more valuable than the common Hemp.”

    – George Washington, First U.S. President

    May 12-13: Sowed Hemp at Muddy hole by Swamp.

    August 7: Began to seperate the Male from the Female at Do – rather too late.

    -Washington’s journal entries

    Zero and infinity always looked suspiciously alike. Multiply zero by anything and you get zero. Multiply infinity by anything and you get infinity. Dividing a number by zero yields infinity; dividing a number by infinity yields zero. Adding zero to a number leaves the number unchanged. Adding a number to infinity leaves infinity unchanged. – Charles Seife

    When you are torn between two mutually exclusive options, you are missing a third one in which the two can be assimilated making 3=1. -Swami Veda Bharati

    The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new lands but seeing with new eyes. – Marcel Proust

    The illegality of cannabis is outrageous, an impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world. – Carl Sagan

    “The best hemp and the best tobacco grown on the same kind of soil. The former article is of first necessity to the commerce and marine, in other words to the wealth and protection of the country. The latter, never useful and sometimes pernicious, derives its estimation from caprice.”

    -Thomas Jefferson, 3rd U.S. President, Jefferson’s journal entry / March 16, 1791

    “the greatest service which can be rendered any country is to add an useful plant to it’s culture; especially a bread grain. next in value to bread, is oil.”

    – Thomas Jefferson Memorandum of Services to My Country, after 2 September 1800

    Some of my finest hours have been spent on the back of my veranda, smoking hemp and observing as far as the eye can see. – Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President

    If the words “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” don’t include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn’t worth the hemp it was written on.

    – Terence McKenna

    We shall, by and by, want a world of hemp more for our own consumption. – John Adams, 2nd U.S. President

    “Those who, while they disapprove of the character and measures of a government, yield to it their allegiance and support are undoubtedly its most conscientious supporters, and so frequently the most serious obstacles to reform.”

    Henry David Thoreau

    “The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma.” ~ Abe Lincoln

    “What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered.” – Ralph Waldo Emerson

    ‎”However, the connection of hemp as a crop and marijuana seems to be exaggerated. The drug is usually produced from wild hemp or locoweed which can be found on vacant lots and along railroad tracks in every state. If federal regulations can be drawn to protect the public without preventing the legitimate culture of hemp, this new crop can add immeasurably to American agriculture and industry.” – Popular Mechanics, 1938

    Why use up the forests which were centuries in the making and the mines which required ages to lay down, if we can get the equivalent of forest and mineral products in the annual growth of the hemp fields?

    – Henry Ford

    “Failure is simply the opportunity to begin again. This time, more intelligently.”

    – Henry Ford

    “We are confronted primarily with a moral issue. The heart of the question is whether we are going to treat our fellow Americans as we want to be treated.” — John F. Kennedy

    Even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value, marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could. – William F. Buckley, Jr

    “Marijuana never kicks down your door in the middle of the night. Marijuana never locks up sick and dying people, does not suppress medical research, does not peek in bedroom windows. Even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value, marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could.”—William F. Buckley, Jr. (1925-2008)

    ‎The anti-marijuana campaign is a cancerous tissue of lies, undermining law enforcement, aggravating the drug problem, depriving the sick of needed help, and suckering well-intentioned conservatives and countless frightened parents. – William F. Buckley, 1983

    Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself; and where they are, they should be changed. Nowhere is this more clear than in the laws against possession of marihuana in private for personal use… Therefore, I support legislation amending Federal law to eliminate all Federal criminal penalties for the possession of up to one ounce of marihuana. – Jimmy Carter, U.S. President: Message to Congress, August 2, 1977.

    ‎After two years of doctor-and-patient testimony, the D.E.A.s chief administrative law judge, Francis L. Young, ruled that ‘marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substance known to man’. – Nick Jones

    “Herb is the healing of a nation, alcohol is the destruction.” – Bob Marley.

    The war on drugs has been an utter failure. We need to rethink and decriminalize our nation’s marijuana laws. – Barack Obama, January 21, 2004 debate

    “We can each resolve, every last one of us, to do the maximum that we can, in each of our given circumstances and by making opportunities, and this then becomes our personal contribution towards ending the worldwide prohibition of cannabis.” – Jayelle Farmer

    “I think we consume far more dangerous drugs that are legal: cigarette smoking, nicotine and alcohol. I feel they cause much more devastating effects physically. We need to lift the prohibition on marijuana.” – former Surgeon General of the United States, Joycelyn Elders voicing her support for legalization of marijuana

    “Aspirin is “safe,” although it claims between 1,000-2,000 people per year.

    With cannabis, it’s been around for thousands of years. There has never been a death – never been a death.

    Is there any other substance in the pharmacoepia about which you can make that claim? I’m not sure there is.” ~ Dr. Lester Grinspoon, M.D.

    ‎”The war may not be quite over but any stigma still left lingering around cannabis consumption today is largely restricted to out of date and increasingly unenforced pieces of legislation. So indelibly stamped on our culture has cannabis become that it must now rank as the most popular and controversial plant on the planet.” – Nick Jones

    “It’s not what we have in this life – it’s who we are as people and how we use our short time on this earth to bring about justice for people.” -Jayelle Farmer

    “People who make a personal decision to smoke marijuana should not be subject to prosecution.”—U.S. Rep. Barney Frank (D), February 26, 2011

    Genesis 1: 29 “And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.”

    Ezekiel 34:29 “And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the ignorant any more.”

  • James

    @ James (whoever)

    Nice dope cut and paste.

    Get a life and try to stay on topic.

    Give Libya a book on the USA government structure and leave them alone.

    DTOM

    P.S. MPR has REMOVED some of my posts about how much they disproportionally cover homo topics, however they leave all the doper inputs….. nice.

  • lucy

    ///Give Libya a book on the USA government structure and leave them alone.

    They could read it before bedtime, sort of a Grimm’s fairy tales before sleep.

    I find our system convoluted and messy and it seems to me that it didn’t begin this way. Sure government is gonna get complicated as time goes on along with increasing population density and technology, but how did we get in this mess? Our country began fairly organized with our founding crew ( I refuse to say fathers because without the mothers the fathers wouldn’t have britches) where they copied the Iroquois governing system, The League of Iroquois.

    So maybe what we should do is give the a copy of the League of Iroquois.

  • Glenn

    Get in there and look for WMDs!!

    Disrupt the leader(s) with black-ops!!

    Get the oil!!

    Install a pupet!!

    Fight them in war because-

    1. They are brown

    2. They are not Christian

    3. They are not western.

    4. The domino thoery.

    5. Etc.

    Glenn

  • CarlS

    I don’t know. My knee-jerk reaction is to say that they wanted to overthrow the government, so let them decide what to replace it with. If the US or any other nation wants to get involved, I have one term to be leery of: nation building.

  • Sharon Shimek

    The U.S. should be a guiding agency, for example, our gov’t has worked w/other countries doing things like showing how to handle elections. We could advise on establishing judicial systems & elections. If it works will also partly depend on how educated the citizens are so may have to help establish schools. Also, looking @ the environment to see if help is needed in farming/business solutions.. Gov’t could help non-profits become involved in this. Final decisions would have to be made w/the country’s culture in mind, not ours. in general, the U.S. should show the best parts of a democracy, especially that people have the right to voice their opinions without gov’t intervention. Of course, that’s what they were fighting against: being able to disagree without being murdered, tortured, etc.