How are you experiencing the state government shutdown?

With no budget agreement between Gov. Mark Dayton and Republican legislators, state government has shut down. Today’s Question: How are you experiencing the state government shutdown?

  • http://ivankowalenko.com Ivan Kowalenko

    So far, my family is not directly experiencing the shutdown. However, our neighbors (who we are good friends with) are construction workers who are now laid off because of the shutdown.

  • http://JacobSch.com Jake

    I’m a student at Winona State University and I have an internship at the DNR.

    My time is not only cut short, but has been due to “contingency planning” – time I could have spent growing, but was spent with shutdown related meetings and planning.

    It’s pretty disappointing.

  • Chris Harrington

    My small company does a great deal of work with two local businesses, which in turn do a great deal of work with the state of Minnesota. Because the shutdown will be eliminating a large percentage of their work, we (in turn) will likely see a large drop in business from them. All three of these companies are small, with fewer than 100 employees each.

    So we’ll probably be taking a hit from the shutdown, even though we don’t do any direct business with the state. What a shame.

  • Jody

    Tonight as shutdown seemed certain I heard about and saw things that seemed like people were taking advantage of a (perceived) diminished police presence. I hope people keep their cool in this crisis!

  • Dave in Duluth

    I will not be directly effected by the shut down, but I am highly disappointed that an agreement was not reached. I’m a democrat, but I am equally unhappy with both sides. It feels like everyone is so blinded by their stubbornness that they didn’t see past their own reluctance to budge and do something that would have helped the people, the same people that elected these fools. Very disappointed.

  • Mark

    As a state employee, I’ve been laid off, along with about 23,000 of my colleagues. Not sure how this shutdown helps the GOP with their campaign promises to bring more jobs to MN.

  • B

    Blame the GOP. Tax the rich. Look to the past for the answers to today’s problems and you will agree.

  • Chris

    I work(ed) in government, and 90% or 15-20 of my coworkers have all stated that they will never be voting for republicans ever again. There is a lot of hostility towards them in this situation.

  • MFK

    Some families at my son’s day care will be affected when state aid for child care stops. If parents have to choose between going to work and their children’s safety and supervision, what a heartbreaking choice to have to make. The long-term results of even a short-term shutdown could be devastating for families on the brink.

  • FH

    If this shutdown forces us to review our govt spending and make hard choices, than it will be helpful. Govt spending can not continue to grow faster than business growth regardless of what people would like to believe. At some point, the model will break.

    The top 1% already pay 40% of the taxes, and the bottom 50% only pay 2-3% of taxes. In fact 45% of the people do not pay taxes at all, and the bottom 10-20% actually make money. I am not in the top 1%, but I do feel that they are paying their fair share – enough already. Limit govt spending and stop expecting someone else to pay the bill.

    We are becoming a country of entitlements, and are losing globally as a result of this. 50 years ago, many of these programs never existed, but the country survived. Have we learned nothing from what is happening in Greece.

  • Sara

    I generally don’t respond to other posts, but I want to respond to FH. The percentage that I consider more important is the percentage of income. Everyone should pay a similar percentage of their income. If the wealthiest are paying (these are not exact numbers!) say, 10%, and the middle class are paying closer to 14% that is not equitable.

    The rich, the wealthy, have many tax shelters and advantages they can tap along with tax attorneys to help them avoid paying taxes wherever and whenever possible.. I have Turbotax.

    I don’t know who the people are who pay no tax, but I have never met any of them. Do they pay no tax because they paid payroll taxes up front and got a refund? Are they wealthy folks with money hidden away on Caribbean islands? I’ve never seen any definition as to who these people are and how they pay no tax.

    As to the question, I have been a state employee in the past, but now I am unemployed. Many of the places I have applied for work happen to be state agencies. I guess those job searches will be stalled and my time of unemployment extended.

  • Clark

    Republicans are correct, spending can’t continue or it will bankrupt the state. As much as the democrats love to confiscate my income, when 10% of the wage earners are supporting 80% of personal income tax receipts, something is wrong with the system.

    Mary Dayton is wrong and made a huge mistake basing his entire campaign on wealth confiscation. It doesn’t work.

    Good luck to all the state workers, hope in the end it all works out.

  • Diana

    Raise taxes on the millionaires and billionaires by 2%, from an average 16% to 18%. I’ll bet not many would argue with that because it’s still a lot less than the rest of us pay. So why are they GOPer’s obsessed with protecting the top 1%? That’s just plain selfish!

  • Zeke

    Gathering pitchforks and torches.

  • Lou

    I woke up this morning saddened to be living in a corrupt state. Signing a party pledge re: future votes in return for fundraising support is corruption pure and simple. We are all paying the price whether or not we are personally experiencing joblessness or loss of essential services.

  • todd

    had to wait until we got into North Dakota before we could stop at a rest stop. Hopefully everything will be resolved before we get back next week!

  • Jackie

    At this point, I am working, however, members of my family who are loggers will be affected, as they log on state land, and if things do not change I may not be able to renew my state license to work as an appraiser on August 31st. I will be very angry if any of our legislators “choose” to take a paycheck at this time, when so many of us throughout the state do not have that choice. Of everything I hear and see, more than 50% of us do not support the republicans, why don’t they realize that they were elected to represent all of us. Hopefully, if they are not working this out over the holiday weekend, they will spend some time listening to how people in this state feel about this.

  • Chuck

    Personally, as of now, the shutdown is not directly affecting me and will not in the near term. I planned on going to the zoo this weekend, but I guess I’ll just have to listen to Comdey Central (legislative leaders condeming the Govenor) on MPR However, I know many who are affected in a variety of ways. What has happened here is really sad and speaks volumes about the chasms that divide us. It seems few want to be reasonable.

    Our tax code is not fair, but we can’t seem to fix it – why is that? Our government is too big, by some estimates, but we can’t seem to fix it – why is that?

    Can’t we get ALL of the special interests out of the way?

  • Tom

    Would democrats be happy if the top 1% of income earners paid 100% of all taxes? I doubt it because no matter how much our state revenues go up, it is never enough. Take a look at Greece folks – the gravy train is approaching the station….

  • Amy

    Regardless of whether you are a state employee or not, this affects all of us. I am very disappointed, but I support Governor Dayton’s decision not to call a special session because I firmly believe in his standpoint to protect the funding for health care and other services that protect the most vulnerable in our state. Republicans seem to have no issues with taking away money that will serve the growing aging population and other services essential to support working families and those who are vulnerable due to mental health issues beyond their control.

  • Al

    FH & Tom – You operate under the assumption that those with the most wealth got that way through a fair system of compensation. I don’t. I would consider your point valid if in fact everyone actually earned fair wages for their contributions, but that is certainly not the case. Some CEOs make tens of millions of dollars per year. Their lowest paid employees barely make a livable wage. Do their contributions to the work of corporations truly justify wages of the CEO and other execs that are hundreds of times that of an average employee and thousands of times that of the lowest paid?

    When I see compensation fairness then I’ll join you in your argument.

  • Chris

    I am about 2 months from getting laid off. It turns out we do need government. Thanks GOP for bringing all of those jobs you promised!

  • Larry M.

    To Tom, after loopholes and deductions the wealthiest Americans nationally pay a lower percentage of their wages in taxes than the middle class at 16% compared to 23% for the middle class. Of course they may be spending more on tax lawyers, but isn’t that just stimulating private business.

  • James

    Once again the politicians sell out the people.

    Dayton is spineless just like his federal counterpart.

    Just another nanny-state temper tantrum.

    It does not affect the real world.

    DTOM

  • Erin

    I now have a few employees who are wondering how in the world they are going to pay daycare costs so they can stay working because without daycare assitance these single moms are screwed. And without these employees of mine being able to come to work, I will have to replace them or wait it out, either way that is going to cost my small business money and time, 2 things we are already short on.

  • Christine

    Professionally, I work on the North Shore of Lake Superior selling groceries and supplies to restaurants for a major food distributor. I’ve watched how the economic downturn has affected tourism and local business in these various locations. Last year was a real struggle, but we survived. This spring was worse yet, and we prevailed. However, I am thoroughly disappointed in our legislation. To plan a shut down on Fourth of July weekend-ridiculous! Thus is devastating in an area that thrives only three months of the year. What a joke. Yes, we elected these people; we elected them to do their job, not help destroy a slowly recovering area.

    Personally, I reside on the North Shore as well. Five state parks are closed around me, three large road construction sites sit idle. My parents operate a restaurant with two closed state parks within ten miles. My childrens’ daycare is aware of several families who’s childcare assistance has been cut–how do they continue to work and pay their childcare bill? This is a trickle affect and is ridiculous and quite sad.

  • JAL

    What ? It’s shut down? I haven’t noticed anything. The world didn’t end. It’s not about whether to tax the rich more or not…..it’s about trimming the spending. Let’s work hard to hold the line on more spending. GOVERNMENT SHOULD ONLY BE FOR ESSENTIAL SERVICES ANYWAY. If this is shut down, let’s keep it this way till we realize we don’t need a lot of these wasteful services. To all state employees: it’s not your fault but you should have seen this coming.

  • State Employee

    I am a state employee. I am senior official at one of the state agencies. I have to be careful what I say because even though I am officially no longer employed if I am identified the likelihood of my being called back will be negatively affected. The reason; stating the truth is a significant offense.

    The truth is that both sides are correct. There is more than enough money in our system (the Republican position) to take care all of the core humanitarian needs (the DFL position), and much more without increasing revenues. In fact we could cover everything that we need to do as a government and reduce revenues significantly. The problem: much of what the state funds is unnecessary. Many of the legislative directed and funded activities are the pet projects of various legislators that have little, if any, positive impact except for “bringing home the bacon” to their constituents. At the same time issues that cry for a resolution go unaddressed because their representation is not as vocal, passionate, or as powerful. I can provide many stark examples supporting my contention from within my Department alone, but doing so would certainly identify me.

    Therefore, in the ideological battle that we are currently in, the likelihood of a reasonable compromise is low because both sides believe, and in fact, both are right. The solution; we need true statesmen to define the “greater good” who can also lead Minnesotans to give up this government waste that serves no usual purpose. Unfortunately, such brave statesmen are hare to find.

  • Susan WB

    I work for a non-profit organization that receives state funding. My job is almost 100% funded through a state grant. We’ve received confirmation that our grant will be awarded for this fiscal year, but no money can begin flowing until the overall budget is settled. So far, our organization’s plan is to continue services during a shutdown using alternative funding and hope to reimburse those budgets when the state funding resumes. But if it drags on for more than a few weeks, we’ll run out of cash. Then who knows what? I suppose we’d have to close the doors.

    I know many people in the non-profit world who are in as bad or worse situations. These organizations serve the most vulnerable people in our state – the disabled, the elderly, the youth, the refugees – and without the state aid that balances their budgets they will almost certainly need to reduce or even stop services.

    For shame! I am extremely angry with my “government” right now.

  • Carrie

    We were going to camp at Afton State park with other Ultra runners in the group camp there. This trail run benefits the park and all profits are donated to the park. The Afton Trail Run at Afton State Park is still going to be held but next door at Afton Alps Ski Area and people that were going to camp are not able to, this may affect attendance for the race. As a volunteer at this race it saddens me that here is a benefit race for the park that is forced to move due to the shutdown. I’m so dissappointed that an agreement couldn’t be reached. The race will not be the same this year.

  • Brian D

    I am semi-retired. I teach part-time as an adjunct faculty member at a college in the TC. During the summer, I spend most of my days reading and writing. I will not be deeply affected by the shutdown. There are however a lot of very vulnerable people who will be, and I feel deeply the pain they’re going to endure.

    There is greater disparity today between the wealthy and the rest of us in this country than at any other time since the years leading up to the Great Depression. There is greater disparity between the wealthy and the rest of society in this country than in any other developed country in the world. The policies that Koch and the Republicans want to implement will deepen that divide.

    I am appalled that Republicans will not even consider an increase in the tax rate for the top 2% of income earners in this state. The MN Department of Revenue released a report a few months ago indicating that the top 10% of MN income earners have an effective tax rate of 10.3% and the rest of us an effective tax rate of 12.3%. The Republicans have that information and still oppose a tax increase on the top 2%.

    We need to keep in mind that this budget crisis was created by Republicans: Pawlenty, who refused to compromise during his eight years in office and work with Democrats to create a budget that didn’t get by on shell games, and the current Republican legislature, that will not compromise on anything. Remember that in 2012.

    The Republicans will try to engineer another budget crisis for 2013, so that they can once again push their agenda of lower taxes and cutting funding. They will do this every budget cycle, because for Republicans, a budget crisis is a political and economical tool. Remember that, too, when you go to the polls in 2012.

  • susan

    We own sandwich shops in downtown St.Paul and many of our daily customers are state employees – no longer due to the shutdown. Now we are in the position of cutting our employees hours because of lack of business. Further, our sales decrease therefore the state collects less money from us! Sounds like a real winning situation for all – NOT!!!

    It seems that Dayton has made more movement toward compromise than the GOP legislators. The GOP keeps saying they have a mandate from the voters – if that was the case wouldn’t the people of the state have voted in a GOP governor? We voted for Horner in the last election because he understood that there needed to be a combination of cuts and tax increases to solve the states budget problems.

    What happened to the days when elected officials put the needs of the state FIRST?

  • JAL

    Our state can no longer afford to compromise with raising taxes of any kind. I do not want to see a compromise. Let’s keep this state shut down until we can trim spending and operate on LESS than we are currently receiving in taxes. We should be discussing how to reduce taxes, not raise them. We must reduce spending.

  • Kelllybee

    I am one of the employees laid off in the government shutdown. I took a 14% paycut in January to move from private industry to state service, because I wanted a job where I could feel like I make a difference, rather than just filling the pockets of shareholders.

    I am proud of my state service and, until yesterday, proud to say I worked for the state of Minnesota. Now, I am repaid for my service to the state by not getting paid because others didn’t do their job.

    My mind boggles when I think what it cost to plan for the shutdown, on top of the cost to Minnesotans. I am applying for unemployment next week, because I’ve been paying into the system, but even that seems over the top to me. It all could have been avoided.

    I am more fortunate financially than many state employees, but the bitterness i feel is probably similar to those who are struggling. State employees are the pawn in this game. Now we know how the government really feels about our service

    to the state.

  • Philip

    I’m complaining about the heat, that’s how.

  • Steve the Cynic

    Ebenezer Clark, I don’t know why you’re so worried about the goverment “confiscating” your money. It doesn’t seem to be doing you any good– just making you bitter and miserable, and raising your anxiety about the possibility of losing a percent or two of it. From reading your posts, I get the impression that the government would be doing you a favor by relieving you of some of the burden of coping with all that wealth you’re hoarding.

  • Steve the Cynic

    Regarding JAL’s rant: “GOVERNMENT SHOULD ONLY BE FOR ESSENTIAL SERVICES ANYWAY.”

    What a dreary place the world would be if we were only willing to pay for what’s “essential”! We need to stop measuring well-being in dollars and start valuing things that really matter.

  • Greg

    FH – The top 1% already pay 40% of the taxes, ==============Dear FH, Exactly – and they earn 60% of the income. that’s where your math breaks down. When you earn 60% of the income… equality says you should pay 60% of the income based taxes. The conservatives like yourself, keep trying to insert percentages of different types in an incorrrect manner. The percentage of people paying the percentage of taxes is irrelevant. The state’s basic equation is , if there are (iiii) dollars of income and the state legislatively determines that it needs (rrrrr)dollars to operate – then (rrrrr)/(iiii) is the raw percentage of all income. It gets a bit more complicated. For example – its pretty ridiculous to collect income taxes from someone below the poverty rate. In a consumer based economy – lower and middle class represent the bulk numeric quantity of consumers – and are substantially more likely to return the income they receive to the market through purchasing. The wealthy do this too, but if 2% of the population earn between 40-60% of the states income – they are clearly not out consuming twinkies, hamburgers and clothes at a clip that will support any shopping mall – let alone several. The national and state goal should be to build the consumer base up – so there are more customers for the goods and services.

  • Bob

    My name is Bob and I’m a state employee… Hi Bob.

    I won’t be posting any more becuase I will be out fishing…. sound the bell when it is time to come in.

  • greg

    I too am a state employee. It is ludicrous that the legislature waits for the end of the session to solve the largest problem. There needs to be a segregation of policy from dollars. Pass the budget bill first – setting the ceiling of money before any other bill, law, ammendment, or legislative action is completed. In the matter of policy ( abortion, social services, etc.) if you cannot get the rest of the legislature and a governor to agree with you .. then you are probably reaching a bit to far. I find it utterly childish that both sides come into office with the presumption that their absolute goal needs to be achieved first before anything else. There are reasonable steps to get there … move the ball, prove the value of your approach, accept that there are times when you lose ground. What I’ve been watching is petty absolutism and it reflects badly on the individuals participating. Shutdown the government ? Were gonna have to take you out of the game.

  • Ann

    I am listening to the radio coverage since the Work Force office isn’t open. MPR won’t ask the Democrats an important question. If you tax the “rich” won’t they just pass along that cost to their customers and employees? Lawyers can increase their rates. They can employee fewer people or give smaller raises. Obama and Dayton keep saying “tax the rich” as if that is THE solution. Also, I see endless commercials inviting people to come to Minnesota and now they close the rest stops and parks. Why couldn’t Dayton go along with the extension that the Republicans suggested since this is an important weekend? He just wants controversy.

  • Neil

    No problems so far. The things I’ve done so far today are working fine.

    But tomorrow, or the next day, my needs or my luck, or my family’s needs or luck will change and the services we need won’t be available. Or someone that has been badly affected by tight budgets or the shutdown will share their problems with me conversationally, or by breaking into my house or car.

    Then I’ll bitch and moan about why we were so dumb to have allowed important services to atrophy or to be taken away.

    But until then, I will freeride and pretend that underfunding services and/or shutting them down has no personal impact.

  • Clark

    Steve the Clueless, you are a bag of wind with no clue regarding economic impact to government decisions. You believe government can confiscate wealth and there will be no consequence for this confiscation. You believe the wealthy won some mythical lottery because you are an ignorant fool who needs to go back and study harder for his GED.

    You never provide facts only stupid unrelated analogies that have no signifigance other than to annouce you are an uninformed radical lefty.

    I repeat, we have a spending problem not a revenue problem. Once higher spending is approved it never decreases. That is a fact of our current potilical system.

    No wonder you are bitter, caught in that burger flipping position for an entire career!

  • JAL

    Go Clark !

  • Candi

    Since I never received a renewal notice in the mail for my tabs that expire in July, I’m guessing I will be spending a good chunk of time waiting in line at the Anoka Co. Deputy Registrar’s office, crossing my fingers that they will be able to correctly calculate what my fee will be. Doesn’t the state usually send out the notices well before the actual month of expiration or did they anticipate the shutdown some time ago and just say to hell with it all?

  • http://Teddy Kelly

    I work for Hennepin County.

    On or after July 10, 2011, I won’t be working at all if the state remains shut-down. I am very worried as I live from one pay-check to the next.

    I believe it is real easy for people- especially those who are not facing economic, social educational or medical hardship- to say we need to cut spending. While I agree that the state needs to maintain a sensible budget, I also believe the state needs to maintain some sort of equality among the people who live here. Over the years I have seen the affect the budget cuts have had on the people with whom I work- some are clients, others are my co-workers and friends. Then there’s me and my daughter.

    It’s very sad to watch people struggle. It’s even worse when you’re the one struggling.

    I pay my taxes and I have even taken leave without pay to offset some of the damage the budget cuts have caused. Without a job I’ll have nothing left to give.

    Please remember when you make your comments here that you are not just writing about a budget, democrats, republicans, etc… you are writing about a decision that is impacting human beings. Perhaps if we could all learn to care we could all learn to share.

  • Bridget

    I feel like the Republicans are holding us hostage and the governor is trying to negotiate our release. At the eleventh hour last night, Republican leaders offered to raise (temporary) revenue only if the Governor agreed to their demands which included giving them sole authority over redistricting, making it a crime to conduct stem cell research, and restricting women’s reproductive freedom. Why are they so unwilling to tax Minnesotans who earn over 1 million per year at the same rate as the middle class. It’s the most sustainable and morally responsible solution to Minnesota’s budget crisis. The rich have become sacrosanct in this country. The rest of us, I guess, are supposed to fight over the scraps, clean their toilets, and shut up. I thought Americans fought the Revolutionary War to be free of this kind of tyranny. Apparently not.

  • peggy

    I feel like the Democrats are holding us hostage and the governor is not trying to negotiate our release. At the eleventh hour last night, Democrats leaders offered to stave off the impending shut down. Why are they so willing to tax Minnesotans who earn over 1 million per year at the same rate as the middle class. It’s the most unsustainable and immoral solution to Minnesota’s budget crisis. The rich have become sacrosanct in this country. The rest of us, I guess, are supposed to fight over the scraps, clean their toilets, and shut up. I thought Americans fought the Revolutionary War to be free of this kind of tyranny. Apparently not.

  • Jessica Giese

    We need to ‘unfriend’ our legislators and governor on all social media networks. The attention that the media and the public give to the irresponsible behavior of the government only feeds their misguided feelings of self-importance. When the actions of a few result in the disruption of so many lives, it is time to send a message to these clowns: We are Minnesota, and you work for us. Money may not affect them personally, but social rejection will hit these divas where it hurts. Unfriend your congress people. Denying these people the attention they covet will drive the message home stronger than any financial consequences.

  • Laurie Lind

    I’m not experiencing the shut-down one little bit, except for the fact that I’ve chosen to tune away from MPR often during the past few days because of the All-Shutdown-All-The-Time programming that you’ve gone to. I live in North Dakota, a state that’s run under much wiser fiscal policies than the socialist state to our east. We have a solid surplus and everything is running along fine over here. Very very glad I live in North Dakota. No number of lakes of social programs will ever convince me to move across the river.

  • vivan

    //We need to stop measuring well-being in dollars and start valuing things that really matter.

    agreed.

    I would chalk up the lack of emotional intelligence due to poor social upbringing.

    -a sure sign of stone heartedness

  • peggy

    I am a member of the Tea Party Patriots and I don’t understand Dayton wanting to tax people who make more than 250k. I think every state worker makes 250K, so wont he be taxing all state workers? I bet they won’t like that! I know of a couple stories about state workers making millions and doing nothing all day long including teachers. I think the state shutdown is great because the Democrats spend to much money! I don’t make very much money and I am too taxed already and I don’t need the democrats to tax me anymore!

    I cannot wait for Michelle Bachmann to be president because she understands real America. Maybe she can run for governor too.

  • Peggy

    Peggy, you big silly:-)

  • Dave T.

    I am a 30 year old returning college student. In order to facilitate a worthwhile learning experience I only work part time. The result is that I depend on various state services. Yes, schools are still open, but I worrk about access to the funding that allows me to pay tuition. I depend on MinnesotaCare for insurance as well. That service is not funded during the shutdown, however I must still pay premiums and likely use the emergency room for care due to lack of reinbusement for doctors. In short, the shutdown is pulling the small safety net out from under my already precarious situation. I for one believe that in the case of many poor struggling students like myself are a wise investment for the state (and federal) government. I have not run the numbers, but I would bet that I will more than pay back any services that I use through higher wages and taxes.

    On another note, reading the commentary on this page has been a bit depressing. I understand that there is real merit to arguments about shrinking government. My concern is that many of the posts here are riddled with misinformation. I am always happy for real debate, but we must check our facts.

  • T

    It is amazing how callus some comments are. I listened to a single mother cry for nearly an hour now that her PCA services are suspended for her two severely developmentally disabled children. So is completely overwhelmed. And to all you naysayers who say she shouldn’t have had kids, she lost her significant other a few years ago, is working, and improving her education. The local respite services groups are overwhelmed. As a physician, I pulled as many community strings as possible, but ran out of options and sent the mom home with little support. I put this burden and shutdown on the shoulders of the GOP, truly uncompassionate.

  • CF

    In a word, we got what we voted for. I recall after the election MPR asked the question, “how will the new governor/legislature perform?”, (my paraphrase). Well like I said then as I say now, expect more of the same. And sure enough, I was right.

    My sister told me “you Minnesotans have one foot on the gas and the other on the brakes”. Me and my sister are polar opposites in all things political but this time she was right on.

    As long as we are 50/50 split as evident by the results of Govy Dayton’s “victory” by a margin of votes smaller than the population of a farm town in outstate Minnesota, why is anybody surprised? Blame Tom Horner if you want, but I suspect Tom’s votes would have been equally split between Emmer and Dayton as well had he not even run.

    Love ‘em or hate ‘em, rich or poor, DFL or GOP, liberal or conservative, we MUST come to a consensus as voters or we will have never ending gridlock! Otherwise the only alternative is a dictator. Does anyone want that??

  • Judy

    I am deeply saddened. I am also reflective of the words of former Minnesota Governor Luther Youngdahl,”we get just as good government as we will work for and just as bad government as we will allow.”

  • Steve the Cynic

    Ooh, I seem to have touched a nerve. Clark, I hate to break it to you, but you’re the one who’s clueless. FYI, I have a degree beyond college, but decided to forego getting rich in favor of doing something I love and consider worthwhile– something that actually benefits the people I serve and helps make the world better. It was more than a fair trade. Why did I do this? Because I could tell I was coming down with a severe case of affluenza. Sound’s like you’ve got a nearly terminal case. Fortunately, there’s a cure: start living generously and learn to take pleasure in others’ happiness.

    And as for the “facts” you’re asking for, I do pay attention to real research into such matters, and that informs my opinions. The so-called facts you present are typically theoretical speculation or even outright lies (e.g., that all the rich folks will leave if we raise their taxes, or that cutting taxes on the wealthy benefits everyone) that have been refuted by solid data. That “lottery” you speak of is not entirely mythical– at least, not any more mythical that the “wagon” you so often accuse the poor of riding. Some folks do indeed start life with advantages they did not earn, and others with disadvantages that are not their own fault, and you’re lying to yourself if you say otherwise.

    Sorry, Clark, but what you profess to see in my posts is nothing more than projection. You’re the one who’s bitter, ill-informed, and making specious arguments to justify your greedy clingning to your wealth. I know. I used to do that, too.

  • Diana

    Both my husband and I have worked in public service for most of our careers and are now retired so the shutdown has not affected us directly but I shudder to think what could happen if this hatred toward government persists in our culture. Maybe the shutdown will wake people up to realize it’s the best bang for the buck and provides countless services for the well being of our democratic society as a whole.

  • Lisa

    I work for a child care center where a large percentage of our families are on subsidized care.

    Right now we have not stopped providing care but just gave our parents notice that if it isn’t taken care of within 2 weeks they will have 3 options……unenroll their children, take them out until shutdown is over or pay a substantially discounted rate per child. That option would not be a realistic option for a family that is working at a low wage job. If this happens it means myself and coworkers will be laid off until its over. Im keeping my fingers crossed!!!

  • OG

    Bar’s are going to run out of Liquor and Beer?!?!? Well, that’s what happens when the government regulates who can buy what, and when. Shall we let the government regulate everything? This way when it shuts down next time we can’t cut our yards because the government regulated that we can only cut them on Tuesday (you know, so the noise only happpen’s one day a week) and now that its shut down, there will be no yard cutting any day of the week.

    Just like anyone with a soul, i hate the hear about a needy mother with two mentally challenged children who cant get the assistance she needs from the government now. But this is a modern occurrence, one that the government brought on by legislating for this type of responsibility. 50 years ago that same mom would have gotten by because private charity would have filled that want, or her neighbors, or some other means than the government.

    The government is whack, anyone that depends on them should take a step back in this shutdown and realize they shouldn’t put so much trust and reliance on the one thing in human history that has suffocated people, besides religion (different blog topic).

    I have a job, I’m married, i have a kid on the way, i havn’t been affected in the slightest, because the government is whack and i wouldn’t ever depend on them for anything. Wise up folks.

  • Steve the Cynic

    OG, if the government is “whack” right now, that’s primarily because it’s been more or less deliberately sabotaged by anti-government ideological whackos. Minnesota’s government used to work very well.