Should both sides in the state budget debate give something up to reach a deal?

With little time remaining to reach agreement, Gov. Mark Dayton yesterday released what he called a compromise proposal to balance the state budget. Today’s Question: Should both sides in the state budget debate give something up to reach a deal?

  • DNA

    Yes, each side should give up the disinformation they have regarding the world’s most useful and versatile plant, Hemp/Cannabis/Ganja/Marijuana.

    Whatever the status tomatoes, strawberries, spinach, mint, catnip, chamomile and zucchini have, Cannabis/Hemp should have. We should be able to grow as much as we need and can share, any sufficient surplus to be sold can be taxed. The world’s most useful and versatile plant should be available to all to prosper the planet and the people. Everything will fall into place once Hemp is made available to our ingenious and inventive nature.

    Just google Trillion Dollar Crop.

  • Arne

    I would suggest that the Republican cause would be better served if the focus were to shift from partisan “principles” which appear not to be working to a higher standard of governance which involves respect for differing opinions and the recognition of placing service to the people over party loyalty.

    When the greater good is served, political leaders win. Republicans would be well advised to share governing responsibility with the Governor and put together a compromised budget for this biennium and then be part of a bi-partisan alliance to eliminate the ongoing structural deficit via long-term reform.

  • Lou

    They should but they probably won’t without a government shutdown. The republican majorities in both houses were elected with a pledge of not raising taxes and they will have a difficult time breaking that pledge to their constituents. The governor is posturing himself as the chief executive that is willing to compromise for the good of the state knowing full well that the legisltive leaders will not compromise. We should prepare for a government shutdown and the side that appears to be losing in the court of public opinion will have to back down after a long and embarrassing legislative session.

  • Linda

    Yes, both sides should compromise and get the budget done. I just wonder how many of these republicans will get re-elected. I know I couldn’t support a single one of them. Their Historic Mandate may be short lived.

  • uptownZombie

    Yes. That’s what compromise is, but I see republicans doing very little (if any?) of it. Also, the hate speak is endless and would make me never support any of them (how does a ban on same-sex-marriage help the economy?)

    respect for differing opinions and the recognition of placing service to the people over party loyalty.

    yes!

  • J

    Yes, a compromise we all can get behind is to bid the Vikings adios and spend that $500,000,000 on the budget. Hmmm… isn’t it interesting the the “no-tax, no-compromise” republicans are perfectly fine with taxing the state so millionaires can run around a field chasing a ball, but cannot spend 1% of that money for assistance for disabled Minnesotans? Democrats are just as bad, but not so bluntly hypocritical…

  • Zeke

    I agree with Lou. It will be very difficult for the GOP to do this with out eating some crow. Having said that, I still believe Tom Horner had the best solution. Broaden the sales tax and reform the tax system. Everyone wins with revenue and reform.

  • Steve the Cynic

    Duh!

  • Brad

    Yes, and every legislator should be financially penalized for each day of a special session.

  • Sue de Nim

    I agree with Zeke. They should compromise on Tom Horner’s plan.

  • Laura Askelin

    Duh! Of course they should. That’s what compromising means. The voters elected Governor Dayton on his sole message of Tax the rich, and elected a house and senate majority on a cuts message…they obviously want BOTH.

    Governor Dayton met the House and Senate half way, He’s willing to compromise on the amount of tax increase (Only top 2%), It’s time for the House and Senate to compromise as well.

    If they shut down the Government just to protect the top 2% of income earners, the voters will turn their backs on them in 2012.

  • Shawn

    Yes, the Republican controlled House and Senate should compromise with the Governor to move Minnesota forward. Governor Dayton has proven he’ll compromise by releasing a revised budget yesterday. He’s been trying to find common ground and meet in the middle. The Republican controlled House and Senate have been maintaining status quo – “it’s my way or nothing” attitude. We know how well this worked for Minnesotans under Governor Pawlenty – higher property taxes, increased fees and kicking the ball down the road for the next Governor.

    I hope that the Republicans will meet in the middle and compromise as the Governor has been doing. The Governor gave up some stuff that he wanted in his revised budget, now the Republicans need to show leadership on their end and give up some things in their budget.

  • Everett Flynn

    Isn’t this kind of a stupid question? I mean, seriously, how else is governing supposed to happen in the land of co-equal branches of government? This is a sad testament to where the political intransigence of recent years has taken us. We’re now seriously considering whether sensible compromise has a place in our budget battle. Sensible compromise is the essence of government and of battles between political opponents in our democracy! What is wrong with us??? Of course both sides should give! Personally, I think Gov. Dayton has already given in that he NEVER advocated an extreme position like balancing the budget with tax increases and tax increases alone. His proposal was sensible and a reasonable compromise from the start. Now that he’s given even more, it only portrays Republicans in the legislature as even further beyond the pale, as zealots, as lemmings only too happy to follow Pawlenty of a fiscal cliff — willing to take our entire state with them.

  • EAL

    Short Term – Politics is the art of compromise. Long Term – Citizens and legislators “both” must define and limit the role of government as government cannot and should not be all things to all people. If one does not believe this, simply ask, “What was the root cause of the fall of the former Soviet Union?”

  • John Krebsbach

    This is a no-brainer -of course, compromise is necessary.

  • http://travisjcollins.blogspot.com Travis J Collins

    A good friend of mine once said

    ‘When the tequila bottle’s empty, you act like Tim Pawlenty.’

    Now I say

    ‘When the whisky leaves you brainless, you act like the Republican controlled Minnesota Congress.’

    Not as clever I know, but still.

  • Sharon

    Of course there should be a compromise! That is the centerpiece of effective governance. The latest STrib poll and a number of Chamber of Commerces are supporting a balanced approach of budget cuts and increaseed revenues.

    Governor Dayton has already presented his compromise position but the petulant Republican leaders are not budging. It’s still “my way or the highway” for the Republicans. Much of the current budgetary problems stem from 8 years of Governor Pawlenty’s lack of leadership. This is more of the same. If there is another government shutdown, unlike the last time, close the state parks – the outrage might be the motivating factor to get the work done!!

  • JBlilie

    “No compromise”? What idiots.

    These GOP legislators are throwing themselves under the bus to save the top 2% of MN earners from paying a little more in taxes.

    Their mouths are full of, “everyone needs to sacrifice,” but they won’t ask ANYTHING from the people most able to help! If not now, WHEN should we ask the wealthiest people to contribute? Are they immune? Just takers? Are only the middle class and lower class people accountable?

    The GOP are debating how much your tuition is going to go up at the U, how your kid’s school will no longer have sports, a nurse, specialist teachers, aids, how many cops and firefighters are going to get laid off, how many of your neighbors will be thrown off health care, how many of your neighbors will not get nursing care, how many teachers will be laid off (we are supposedly having an education crisis), how much your property taxes will rise (and they will): BUT THEY ASK NOTHING OF THE PEOPLE AT THE TOP.

    How can this be right?

    And, cherry on the top is: They are debating paying for a (explitive deleted) $1 billion FOOTBALL stadium for a bunch of overpaid pituitary mutants and for the poor, poor Wilfs, who aren’t making quite as many millions per year as they would like. They are asking YOU to subsidize these ridiculous millionaires! (They are not making more regular seating: They want more luxury boxes.)

    How many police and firefighters should be lay off to support the Wilfs? How many teachers should we lay off to support the Wilfs?

    The GOP plan should be properly named: The Zygi Wilf Memorial Millionaire Support Act.

    The obscenity of this whole debate should be obvious to all.

  • ReNae Bowman

    Thank you Gov Dayton for holding out for a budget compromise!! I am proud of the work you have done so far this year!! You go gov!!!!

  • Carrie

    Yes, both sides should compromise. Governor Dayton already has done his part. Now we’re just waiting for the Republican controlled legislature to do the same. Don’t hold your breath. Looks like we’re heading for a special session and then probably a government shut down.

  • JOHN HELGERSON

    IT APPEARS THAT AMATEURS ARE IN CONTROL OF THE LEGISLATURE TODAY — PEOPLE WITH LITTLE TO NO EXPERIENCE OR EXPERTISE (LET ALONE COMMON SENSE), CLINGING AT ALL COSTS TO AN IDEOLOGY. THIS IS WHAT WE GET WHEN VOTERS DON’T BOTHER TO STEP AWAY FROM ENTERTAINING THEMSELVES, RATHER THAN BECOMING INFORMED AND USING GOOD JUDGEMENT AT THE BALLOT BOX.

  • Kirk

    To not compomise is to act like a SPOILED BRAT!!

    Kudos to Gov. Dayton for governing, not campaigning. This one-sided (balance the budget on the backs of those least able to afford it) stalemate is absolutely idiotic. Where does the GOP get off lately DEMANDING that everything go absolutely their way? This is not governing, this is holding our reasonable society hostage.

    If there is a government shutdown the responsibility will lie entirely on the GOP’s back. Unless our citizens have become zombies, it should come back to bite them on the part of their anatomy which they are acting like.

  • Deb

    Yes. As elected officials, MN wants our elected officials to do what’s best for MN. Which means compromise for the better good. The bottom 98% should be more important than the top 2%!! If the Republican’s spent more time on the budget versus, same sex marriage, voter ID, and attacking the Democratic voting base, maybe they could actually work on what would be BEST FOR ALL MINNESOTAN’S. And the line, Job killing Taxes is just that, a BOGUS line they should stop touting. All their tax incentives and pay backs couldn’t keep Ford here. The MN way of life is what brought companies here. Our education system, our parks, our roads, our colleges, cleanliness of our cities… which have all suffered over the last 8 years and they want to continue this trend as good for Minnesota? To reiterate, THE BOTTOM 98% SHOULD BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE TOP 2%.

  • Cathy from Minnetonka

    Of course! If all legislators bothered to ask their constituents what we wanted, they would have gotten this done weeks ago.

  • Daniel Hennessy

    Absolutely, otherwise nobody wins.

  • Colleen

    Well, it really all depends on whether the Representatives are working for themselves or the people of the state in which they were elected.

    I think this question would be better posed to the Legislators.

    Government could be likened to a gigantic relationship between the state and the people. And for anyone who has been in any sort of relationship ever, you tell me how to expect success without compromise. Or better yet, prove to me that compromise is not the cinder block foundation of a relationship.

    I’d love to point fingers, but it appears we’re already paying people enough to do that, so I will refrain.

  • Gerry

    I think the Democrats are always compromising and the Republicans never do. We just lived through 8 years of Tim Pawlenty who unilaterally ignored the legislature. Real people who are barely hanging on will feel the cuts – while rich people might have to forgo a luxury item can easily afford it. Stand up for the small guys Mark Dayton!

  • Sally

    The Governor has already compromised. The Republicans are playing chicken – and risking the health, safety, and lives of real people in the process. Government is not evil and low-income and middle-income Minnesotans did not get us into this situation. It was former Gov. Pawlenty who was determined over the past 8 years to starve state government. This is what government on a starvation diet looks like. At some point, it needs enough calories to survive. I shudder to think what may become of our great state if the Republicans don’t meet in the middle.

  • Sheila Sweeney

    Compromise is defined by Merriam Webster as Noun: an agreement or a settlement of a dispute that is reached by EACH side making concessions. Verb:settle a dispute by making concession. So far, I see only one side willing to do the work of the people of Minnesota, all of Minnesota and get this thing settled!

  • Denise

    We didn’t raised income taxes for all of Pawlenty’s administration and yet, the state hasn’t gained any jobs. Rich people are NOT using their persoanl income to hire people, they are putting their tax savings in the bank or in personal investments.

    It’s interesting that they worry about the rich 2% moving but not the elderly consumers who shop the local stores, the gay entrepreneurs who are being trampled on by their self-righteous notions, the middle class family that can no longer pay their raising property taxes–all who are more likely to call this state quits and take their business with them.

    If Republicans don’t start compromising with Governor Dayton over the issue of the paltry amount that a mere 2% of the rich are being asked to pay, they will be sorely surprised next election when the new question of the electorate will be: “Why did you let this state get so shabby?”

    I can already hear “bye, bye, Republicans and take your so called “mandate” with you! Better yet–YOU move to North Dakota!”

  • Bill

    Absolutely they should compromise. When I started voting, admittedly some years ago, politics was called, “The art of compromise”. Sadly, no

    more. The “Tax Evaders” love their money more than any “Common Good” that we are supposed to stand for or the future of our state or nation. While 16% of people may be unemployed or underemployed, 84% are not. The wealthiest of us could well afford a tax increase in proportion to our income.

    Minnesota has always been a great place to live which is the main reason people like it here. The wealthy are not going to move away because of taxes. Those who do we are better off without. They also are not going to use their tax breaks to create jobs. That will not happen until the 90% of the population who can no longer afford to buy the products American companies produce are once again able to purchase more than basic necessities. It was reported just this morning on MPR that 50% of U.S. income is going to the highest paid 3% of earners.THANK YOU, GOV. DAYTON, FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND STANDING UP FOR THE “GREATEST GOOD FOR THE GREATEST NUMBER!” I only wish the Democratic Legislators would stand up and speak out, rather than sitting on their hands with a bad case of “Lip Lock”.

  • Rick

    Politics is the “art of the possible”. Without compromise nothing gets accomplished, which is what the GOP wants, Nothing.

    We are looking at the endgame of policies that started with Reagan and have continued today, cut taxes to force reductions in the size and scope of government, until there is nothing left in pursuit of the narcissistic theories of Ayn Rand, Grove Norquist and Phil Krinkie and their ilk.

    They pursue social Darwinism where only the strong (wealthy) survive and prosper, the rest of us assume the role of serf and vassal servant to the masters.

  • Natalie

    Absolutely they should compromise! The Governor was elected to tax the top earners and the Republicans were elected to cut spending, so compromise is exactly what should be done. Each should give a little. That’s what democracy is about. Wasting tax dollars for a special session is foolish. Get the job done!

  • patty

    Of course there should be compromise-good grief its a government for all the people isn’t it?

  • Tom Roark

    I think both sides are principled, and I don’t see how they can honestly compromise. Their ideas are different and the stakes are too high. I lean more to one side than the other, and believe the other is entirely wrong. The real answer isn’t on the table.

  • Steve

    I find it sad that this is the question of the day. It should not have to be asked and we should not have to sate that of course compromise is necessary.

    I think it should be rephrased why is it that the one group doesn’t feel they have to compromise but feel that everyone else must back off of their views and bow down to them as if they are the Oracle of Delphi?

    For one group to say is Okay for Tim Pawlenty Not to compromise….but Gov. Dayton must compromise. Is a double standard!

    We no longer have Statesmen in the legislature in fact I wonder if we can even call them politicians any anymore. What seems to have been elected are one issue ideologists that are so small minded that they have no concept that someone could think differently. They don’t look at all the facts they just pick some things that support what they want to believe and ignore the rest. But they believe that they can force their view and morals on all others.

    What scares me it that same statement describes the Taliban.

    Where every man does what is right in his own eyes, there is the least of real liberty. – Henry M. Robert

    Give me back American Statesmen that believe in American Ideals, and Liberty

    Cheers,

    Steve

  • Steve the Cynic

    Why are the usual right-wing opinionators so conspicuously absent from today’s conversation? Could it be that even they are embarrassed by the blatantly irrational stubbornness of the Gang Of Plutocrats in the legislature?

  • Carrie

    Good point Steve. I was wondering the same thing.

  • Kent

    Of course both sides should give something. It is outrageous that Republicans won’t compromise. When the I-35 bridge fell down, Pawlenty and most Republicans refused to raise taxes to improve infrastructure. I think they are CRAZY!

  • chuckprentice

    Hell no! Obviously the most important issue in our country must be to protect the rich from paying anything more in taxes!

  • Carlin Struckman

    Yes, but the Republicans are going to need to realize that their concessions have to be real. They said yesterday something to the tune of “We have made concessions, we’re spending more this year than we ever have”, which is a blatant Straw Man argument. They need to give up their blindly dogmatic resistance to raising any taxes.

  • Linda

    Why has “power of the people” turned into “power of the party”? I used to vote Republican every once in a while, but never again! That group has become so immersed in their own power trip that they are delusional. Of course both sides need to compromise. To get out of our budget mess (both state and federal) we need to cut spending AND increase taxes, which are lower now than they were 15 years ago (at least federal taxes). Please, Governor Dayton, don’t bend one more inch to accommodate the Republicans. You have given enough! It’s their turn to start thinking about ALL Minnesotans, not just their big-business, privileged, money-donating party members. I am so tired of their claiming to speak for the people of MN. They are definitely NOT speaking for me.

  • Jamie

    Of course both sides should give something up! It’s incredible that you have to even ask the question. But I hope you’re not asking if both sides should give something up starting now.

    Mark Dayton’s budget proposal was a compromise from the start, and he’s made significant concessions twice since then! I was really disappointed in him yesterday when he reduced the number of people who would pay a higher income tax AND took his proposal to tax million-dollar homes at a higher rate out of the equation. He should not have done that. He’s already given too much! Democrats are always the ones who do the compromising. I just hope he sticks to his guns now.

  • Audrey F

    Well duh…..!

  • Audrey F.

    They’ll going to into overtime anyway, to get the funding for the Viking stadium passed. That’s a priority. I’ve got money riding on their getting that one through before they adjourn.

  • Stan

    Another obvious bait question designed to enflame leftist anger against the right and the left fell hook line and sinker for it. The absence of comments from the right indicates the right is smart enough not to take sucker bait.

  • Steve the Cynic

    Not so, Stan. It’s moderates expressing anger at whichever extreme is the most intransigent, which is currently the right. Intransigent lefties would be complaining about Dayton giving an inch. Somewhere in between the fuzzy-minded liberals and cold-hearted conservatives, there has to be a good balance.

  • Jamie

    THIS “leftist” didn’t FALL for anything, Stan. And the reason there aren’t any “rightists” commenting here is that they know they’re in the wrong and should be compromising just as Democrats have been doing all along. There’s no reasonable argument for them to make (I noticed that you didn’t make one).

  • Grahame

    To answer the original question, I say absolutely. I thought that’s how governments were supposed to work in the first place. Anything that each side would give up in order to move the whole process forward has GOT to be better than what they’ve got to show for it now, which is nothing and steadily getting worse.