What should the Catholic Church do about the sexual abuse issue?

Allegations of sexual abuse by Catholic priests are creating a scandal for the church in Germany and other European countries. Today’s Question: What should the Catholic Church do about the sexual abuse issue?

  • Steve

    The church insists that we confess, they should too.

  • JM Betancourt

    I think this question is wrongly formulated since it seems like the Catholic Church has been nothing at all about the sexual abuse issue. Since long before the 2001 Boston scandal, the Catholic Church has been taking care of that kind of allegations in both the public and the private forum. What if today’s question was: What is the Catholic Church doing about this issue? The answer to this question is barely announced by the public media and it would deserve the same attention as the alleged scandals.

    The Catholic Church is taking care of this issue primarily in the responsible preparation of the future priests in the human, spiritual, academic and pastoral aspects. These men are provided with serious and sound education so they can provide to the needs of our society in more than the spiritual realm. They are being proved apt to the service of the Church by professionals from different disciplines. The bishops are taking responsibility in dealing with these kind of allegations and making sure of the veracity of them before making imprudent decisions. Moreover, there are many more priests that are commited with their mission and live it faithfully than those that unfortunately have failed. Where is the media to announce that? And we all can see, the Catholic Church is taking responsibility publicly. I know all of these things first hand. There has been scandal, but it is not as if the Catholic Church is not acting to repair it and to prevent more situations, here in America and in around the world.

    Maybe we could also focus in the scandal our personal actions cause every time we fail to live according to the moral standards our society needs and not the ones we try to impose on others whether they are right or wrong.

  • Roger Goerke

    I think the question in itself is biased and represents yet another attack by the media on the Catholic church. I think the actual question should be “What more can the Catholic church do to placate a blood-thirsty media?” The Catholic church has over and over again taken great steps to stop the incidence of child sexual abuse.

    On a national scale the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) approved the Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People by a vote of 239-13 in 2002 (8 years ago). This charter mandates that all clergy and archdiocesan parish and school employees as well as all volunteers that have contact with minors attend safe environment training. Since then 32,000 adults in the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis have attended Virtus training. This training not only teaches adults what is appropriate behavior towards minors but also teaches them how to detect sexual and other abuses perpetrated by other adults.

    On an international level, John Paul II, issued a letter (April 30, 2001) stating that “a sin against the Sixth Commandment of the Decalogue by a cleric with a minor under 18 years of age is to be considered a grave sin, or ‘delictum gravius.'” In 2003, Pope John Paul II stated that “there is no place in the priesthood and religious life for those who would harm the young”.

    It is amazing to me that only the Catholic church is called to task by the media on this horrific crime against minors, when incidence by family members (40%) is more prevalent that by clergy.

    I was wondering to myself this morning as I listened to the stories of a few disaffected Irish Catholics “Who at NPR decided that this was the week to persecute the Catholic Church?”, and “Why is it that only Catholic priests are guilty of child sex abuse until proven innocent?”

  • Tony

    Abuse is a problem for the church because the church has chosen to make it a problem.

    It’s easy to beat up on the media about this issue, but the church’s bailiwick is all about moral high ground. If your whole deal is “moral high ground” then you need to walk the walk and you can’t tolerate leadership whose conduct is off, even just a little. Though they’re beginning to move in the correct direction it’s fair to say that getting them to move in that direction has been like pulling teeth.

    Confession is an excellent thing for the church, but it’s between you and your maker; not between you and the rest of the flock. A priest who is abusive must immediately be removed and prosecuted. The church has to remove and prosecute offenders among its leadership consistently enough so that, when the media talks about the church, they’ll have to say “the church is known for no tolerance on this issue.”

    Instead, by its choices, the church has elected to make abuse an issue for itself.

  • Ginger

    The Catholic Church has got to stop taking all criticism as being an attack on the Church. When the Church teaches parents that children must not question the actions of adults, the Church creates a situation where the wrong adults can do anything without being questioned.

    Gullibility is a sin. Questioning authority is a duty.

  • Al

    They could start with healthy attitudes toward the sexes, sexuality, and gender identity based on current understanding of these topics. There needs to be a re-eximanination of the rules of the church and their historic origins. Some church rules regarding the priesthood result in attracting people who the church itself wrongly burdens with shame and guilt because the priesthood is a good place to hide. The system then further shames and isolates these men. It is no wonder psychological damage is often the result.

    Consider for a moment the 3 rules for eligibility for the priesthood – before the ability to minister is considered:

    1. You must have a penis.

    2. You are not allowed to use it.

    3. You have to want to use it only with other people who don’t have one.

    Given all I ever learned in Church about Jesus, these just don’t seem like requirements he would have insisted upon.

    Until Catholic church leaders address these questions, they will continue to experience a shortage of priests. What do you expect when you rule out more than 95% of your memebers before you get to the meaningful questions? Many of the candidates they attract will be those men shamed into hiding important parts of themselves – an unhealthy situtation.

  • Loren

    Wasn’t Ratzinger the one who told Cardinal Law to cover up the Boston sex scandal? And now he’s the Pope. I think the answer would be clear – he needs to lose his job, and his ordination.

  • JBlilie
  • Lawrence

    Sexual abuse of minors is a problem period. Just yesterday KARE 11 10:00 news reported a man claiming to be God’s prophet had the religious right to marry his 10 year old neice. Schools are also dealing with this problem as evidenced by the number of male and female teachers caught having dating relationships with high school students. The Catholic Church, school administrators, and the public don’t understand the enormous emotional and social problems sexually abused children have. These children are never the same, they have to be watched carefully because the children often act out the abuse with other, often younger students. Abusers should be treated judiciously like murderers are – life prison sentences, no hope for parole, etc.

  • KB

    Allow priests to marry or have life-partners like the rest of us.

  • Curt

    They should desolve as an institution. They have lost all moral authority & their ideas about how we should live our lives no longer deserve any respect, what so ever.

  • Terry

    The Roman Church should ultimately acknowledge (in a revised statement on human sexuality) that our sex drive hormones are not a sacred gift from a loving God…Hormone sexuality is so problematic -tragic, in fact, that all Western popular culture can do is make jokes about it, while early religions and family lawyers have to do their best to write the rules.

  • Shingo Mathieu

    Good question, but an incorrect one. The real question is “Why is the Catholic Church protecting these priests?” They’re the Catholic Church… they dont care (obviously) what we think, so that doesnt matter. If they did they would have cleaned their own house long long long ago.

    The Church preaches denial and unquestioning loyalty. Just ask them about science! “Science? Thats Devil business.” is what my Monsignor told me at Confermation. I quickly dropped the religion afterward.

    Tis a faith of ignorance and hypocracy and they never fail in proving it…. all by themselves.

  • Christopher

    The Church should accept responsibility for their role in all the cover ups. They should then start opening shelters for abused children and get back to the task of doing “God Works”.

  • Steve Dahl

    1. DISCLOSE the crime,

    2.DISCIPLINE (translate “prosecute”) the criminal.

    3. DEFROCK the clergy (take away the office so that the authority that comes with it cannot be used as a means of abuse).

    If the Church and other institutions face this problem directly, the opportunities for abuse diminish. No more can the actions of criminals and predators be just brushed aside to avoid the shame of their association with the institutions we hold to a higher standard.

  • Charles

    Easy, they should be prosecuted like every other criminal according to the country’s law’s on sexual abuse. It is also a sign that the institution is too closed to the outside world and if this has been going on behind closed doors for so long than a spring cleaning is open. The Church needs open, transparent workings to slowly earn its respect back. This means working with the people and governments to have clear plans so it does not happen again and plans for if it happens again (e.g. report to police ASAP, etc…).

  • david z

    They must own up to the issue as a real problem, admit to what has happened, and actually take some responsibility.

    This means that some priests and cardinals will probably lose their jobs.

    it also means that dioceses should NOT play the shell game on assets to claim poverty when faced with damages.

    Anything less looks like an avoidance of the truth.

  • Tamara

    After they deal with the immediate issues, the Catholic church may want to rethink their unrealistic, perhaps, celibacy requirement. I mean, what kind of man signs up for a lifetime of celibacy? Maybe one who is rigorously devout. Maybe one who is struggling sexually and desperate to try to hide behind a monastic lifestyle.

  • Peggy

    get the government involved since the RC church doesn’t listen-just like the Murphy and Ryan reports. Th RC seems out of touch with what is happening-so they say.the courtsystem has to look at this forget Rome we had enough og him. get these pedophiles

    out of the church-whatever church-so what we

    become short of priests-get them out if the

    bishops can’t seem to remove them than get

    the authorities to do it. they have to go-too

    too many have done too much damage and

    continue to.there is still a cover up.Look at the

    rural area they’re getting as bad if not worse

    for priests abusers.Like Ireland get the

    authorities involved.when are the bishops going to start publishing or continue to

    publish names and amt.paid out.Cath clergy

    abuse has ben going on forever,it’s not a

    amt. as has been said.Many have lost there

    faculities but was never written down-they were given an apt.and monthly allowance etc.

    my thing is get the authorities involved forget

    Rome

  • Darlene Coffman

    The Church cannot pray away its humanity. It continues to try to weed out the problem (the abusing priest) rather than stand back and ask what is systematically disordered in itself. It is very telling that the Chuch closely guards its dogma but fails to embrace fully its human condition. This may explain why women are still not worthy to be ordained, why homosexuality is labeled ‘disordered,’ why the immoral wars our nation is involved in are never condemned from the pulpits even though the Church has written some of the most beautiful documents describing the Christian’s call to build the kingdom of peace and justice.

    What can the Church do about priest abuse? Recognize that the lay people are leading the Church today, that the Spirit is moving among the masses. Pray that there will be no false saviors or power structures to interfere with the suffering, nonviolent Christ healing the earth and the People.

  • David Allen

    Despite intentions which may be saintly, the unfortunate truth is that the Catholic Church is a great source of evil in this world. The church must bring their views into alignment with scientific understanding of human biology and sexuality. The expectation of lifelong abstinence from sex predictably leads some priests to inappropriate and evil outlets for their innate sexuality. Similarly, abstinence is not an effective birth control method and the church’s preaching against use of condoms is not only ineffective, it is evil when HIV transmission is the result.

  • Ellis

    What could the Catholic Church do to regain the trust of it’s members? To rebuild confidence in their structure and doctrine?

    If I were Catholic, I would require a redesign of the entire concept of the Priesthood. To me a glance at the history of it would reveal the most obvious conclusion….there is something about it that goes againsed the nature of the human beings that are participating as Priests.

    To regain the confidence in the church as an establishment, I would need to see the horrible, life crushing crimes punished openly and consistently. If it is a policy to keep the secret and relocate without mention, why wouldn’t the crimes and the culture of them continue.

    I hope there is a reform that will allow peace and trust to develope for this group of people because it is such a large portion of our planet that feels the effects.

  • Jeff Johnson

    The Church should continue to encourage its members towards conversion and serving Christ in all ways. It should continue to be fearlessly and honestly watchful for those who do the opposite in causing any kind of harm. The Catholic Church should realize it is experiencing a purification, much like the world, and that this is necessary to make ready the way of the Lord.

    The Church should also remind itself that here in the 21st century, the secular world is increasingly hostile and alive to any possibility for degradation and attack. Though the Church has outlived every possible human institution, it must now withstand attacks from all directions, most notably the media. After all, business is business, and a liberal radio station such as this one knows it can stir the pot faster with a story scandalizing Catholics, rather than perhaps confronting the fact that more reports of sexual abuse come from our brothers in sisters in protestant faith traditions.

  • Jay Halverson

    The respective county and state prosecutors need to investigate allegations and bring prosecutions when necessary.

    The victims of rape should pursue civil actions for damages. The Catholic Church is the largest landowner in the world. They have the necessary resources to compensate victims of crimes.

    This notion of the various catholic organizations filing bankruptcy to avoid payouts to victims is shameful.

  • http://http:www.ncregister.com Tim Drake

    Has everyone failed to note that this is abuse that happened 30-40 years ago?

    The Church, especially in recent years, has done more than any other organization I’m aware of, to protect against sexual abuse.

    By comparison, what has the public school system done to protect children?

    The rate of sexual abuse in the public school system has been shown to be considerably higher than it is in the Church, and yet we have few if any media stories asking the question: What should the public schools be doing about the sexual abuse issue?

    Because the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ, teaches traditional morality, and its members submit themselves to a hierarchical, fraternal authority, it will always be a target of the media. The world rejected Christ; it will reject His Church as well.

  • Mary

    If the Catholic church really wants to prevent sexual abuse by it’s priests, they should turn them in to the police as the criminals they are. Period.

  • dave

    Maybe the church should raise the age of consent. The vatican recognizes 12 year olds as adults,sexually.

  • Betsy

    After years of therapy over my own abuse I found out that my mother had also been abused by a priest at a similar age. If we hadn’t been taught that “priests were a representation of Christ on earth’ as little children we might not have been like lambs to the slaughter.

    The church is enshrouded in a medieval mentality that helps to insulate it from emotional accountability in the present.

  • Amanda

    After reading many comments I am upset that one person said that this happened 30-40 years ago. Yes, the particular incident that they are talking about did, however…the question was brought up becase it has happened again, and again and again.

    And yes you are right we should focus on the number of sexual abuse cases that are going up in the schools. BUT they are being prosecuted and charged as criminals. Why are the preists not being charged as hard and treated the same way as an everyday sexual offender? I think they need to rethink the consequences.

  • Philp

    Acknowledge the problem and aggressively investigate the allegations. If they prove to be true, then publicly denounce the priests and excommunicate them. Then, cooperate with any criminal investigation against any suspects.

  • Ray Marshall

    The Church should probably do the same thing that the public schools do with their sex offenders.— nothing.

    Clerical sexual abuse, a horrific abomination, essentially ceased 20 years ago. Unlike offenses in the public schools there is no statute of limitations that prevents victims from going after priests who are dead or long past the age of ministry. Most cases being reported now date from the 1970s or earlier.

    Yet regularly we continue to read of sexual abuse by public school teachers and employees, both male and female, that has happened within the past year. Why no public outcry?

    Granted that it is doubly offensive when an ostensibly religious minister commits such a heinous offense, but to the victim the distinction is not always there.

    Are your children fair game for public employees today? Why aren’t you complaining?

  • Chris Owens

    I think that the reality here is that those of you who are replying, and most probably the person who put the question up, don’t have a clue about what the Catholic Church teaches about sexuality, or indeed the lengths at which they have gone to resolve these issues.

    As for what the Church teaches on Sexuality, I would highly recommend the book “Theology of the Body for Beginners”– I think that, whether you are atheist, homosexual, Muslim, Protestant, or Catholic, you will find that the truths that are put across in the teaching are profound and say a lot about who the human person is, and how they were created to be. And much more reasonable than the modern proposal of putting 12 year olds on the pill, or the government subsidizing single girls so that they can live on their own at 16 and raise a child.

    To respond to the question at hand– as someone who works for the Catholic Church, I would say that the Church is right on the money in what it is doing! And I would even argue that they are probably going beyond what is necessary to safeguard against these issues. Some of the red tape that my volunteers have to jump through in order to donate their time is just silly.

    Last, to address the question itself– how is it that the Catholic Church is being attacked over and over again in the news for things that happened 40 years ago and have been resolved (and are being resolved), when these things are happening today and last week in other institutions (such as the school systems!) with no media spotlight at all? It’s okay for the high school teacher and the cheerleader to hook up, isn’t it– I mean, after all, the science teacher is just the meth dealer, and the cheerleader invited him over, didn’t she? (See how silly that sounds in the generalization? Yet, “because he’s a priest, he’s a pedo- “…)

    I think that you choose to build the Catholic Church in to a straw man that doesn’t exist so that you can pull him out every time that you want something to beat up on.

    If there’s anything that needs to be reformed, it’s not the Catholic Church. Rather, it’s the modern idea that, everyone’s opinion is equally right and valid. You would say that the solution is to allow priests to marry, but that doesn’t get rid of disordered tendencies if they’re there. The proof is in the number of affairs that occur every day in America, and how that number has been on the rise over the last 50 years.

    What needs to change is the culture of “if it feels good, hook up”. AIDS wouldn’t be as much of a problem if people weren’t having sex with multiple partners or outside of marriage. Pedophilia wouldn’t be as much of a problem if billboards everywhere weren’t advocating these “barely legal” models dressed in lingerie. Divorce wouldn’t be the norm, if couples were more focussed on loving each other rather than seeking their own gratification.

    The media’s hands are caught in the act by promoting a culture where, unfortunately, people act upon the basest of their desires– and which the culture enables. Then, of course, the media needs to build up a scapegoat, someone to point the finger at rather than themselves.

    And yes, it happens in the Catholic Church, which is sad, and they are doing a wonderful job of preventative screening (which, now the media calls as discrimination– they’re darned if they don’t, danged if they do) and also calling to task those who have fallen short in their moral obligations.

    The proof that of the cultural responsibility lies in the fact that abortions have killed more Americans (and minorities, at that!) than the Holocaust. The american stamp of approval of a contraceptive, abortive, and homosexual culture is going to further the problem of the economic crisis, and if things aren’t stopped, could be the end of culture itself– because, after all, if people aren’t being born, who is it that’s going to pay for your retirement? Who is going to be your doctor, or the person responsible for your source of food or housing?

    Nevermind the fact that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a promoter of the same philosophies as Hitler, and the whole feminist movement is based in the sexual revolution. But you go on, you blame the Catholic Church for being the problem, without trying to fix what is legitimately your mess to fix, and which the Catholic Church is outspoken about trying to fix for you. Go ahead, burn your straw man. He’ll still be there long after you’ve gone the way of the buffalo.

  • Steven

    As a non-Catholic, I’m embarrassed by the anti-Catholic prejudice evident in many of the postings here. The vast majority of Catholics I know a good people with admirable moral principles. The vast majority of Catholic priests I’ve known have been men of integrity, who are as distressed as the rest of us about what some of their number have done. It’s true that the Catholic Church was slow to acknowledge the problem, and there have been too many cover-ups. But lately they’ve been taking many positive steps to rectify the situation.

  • Leanne

    I am always amazed at the insensitivity of the Catholic Church regarding this issue. Their focus is on protecting themselves as an institution. I have read some of the comments that question why it is even an issue, since these things happened 30 or 40 years ago. If the church was open and honest, it would bring forth the offenders for criminal prosecution long before people who were targets of abuse finally have the courage to come forward, years after the fact. As one who was born and raised in a Catholic family, and who also was a target of abuse by 5 priests, I KNOW how difficult it is to challenge that institution. Every report about abuse that I have ever heard eventually shows that SOMEONE KNEW all along, but protected the criminal. What is especially corrosive about abuse by priests in the Catholic Church is that their work centers around the sacred. Protecting child sexual abuse criminals is anything but sacred. It is so morally reprehensible that it is almost beyond words.

  • Dan

    Well…

    The Catholic Church could respond by reviewing it’s ridiculous ban on Priests marrying… or women as Priests as well. I wonder if anyone reading these posts even knows (understands?) that the Catholic Church never banned marriage on theological reasons – but rather on property rights??? Priests were passing Catholic Church property onto sons… who, if/when they diverged from the priesthood – simply took the property with them… oh, but wait, this is supposed to be about Christianity isn’t it… not just land…

  • Al

    \\As a non-Catholic, I’m embarrassed by the anti-Catholic prejudice evident in many of the postings here.

    You do realize that many of the people posting here are Catholic or ex-Catholic. It’s not prejudice coming out, it’s decades of pent-up anger at being fed the hypocritical BS. It’s frustration at realizing that so many of the things we were taught growing up, and we in turn taught to our own children, were lies perpetrated to maintain control over people.

  • momkat

    It seems to me so easy. Let the priests marry. Instead, the Catholic church says let the most sexual of the species be celebate, and, by the way, let them work with children. Maybe we will evolve to something more common sense in so many areas. I sure hope so.

  • owlafaye

    Better at: What WILL the Catholic Church do?

    In 300 years the Roman Catholic Church will refer to these times as one in which the church was falsely and malignantly attacked by atheists, non-believers, government and Satanic enemies of Christianity.

    Their line will be:

    “Against a massive effort to discredit the piety and chasteness of the clergy with accusations of heinous crimes, the church and her followers fought a protracted battle against this evil… eventually triumphing in the name of Jesus and to the greater glory of the mother church.”

    This WILL come to pass.

  • Scott

    These guys offenders and the people covering for them are criminals and should be imprisoned for the crimes they have commited.

  • JBlilie

    Chris Owens wrote:

    “Nevermind the fact that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a promoter of the same philosophies as Hitler, and the whole feminist movement is based in the sexual revolution.”

    Yeah, when they trot out Nazis against whoever happens to be their boogeyman, then you just know they have a strong argument! Anybody that disagrees with me is a Nazi! Yeah, that’s the ticket! Don’t blame me, these other people are naughty too!

    I’ll believe the RCC is serious about this when they turn over all their records to the DAs in the dioceses.

  • JBlilie

    Ray Marshall said:

    “The Church should probably do the same thing that the public schools do with their sex offenders.— nothing.”

    Project much?

    The teachers have been arrested and sent to jail unlike the Catholic priests, who were aided and abetted by the RCC. The whole lot should be in prison.

    And it stoped 20-30 years ago? Please!

    And that makes it OK?

    Institutionalized cover ups and child sexual abuse and physical abuse, committed by moralizing priests and lay people who power over these kids. That’s somehow OK? We should just let it go by because it happened “20 or 30 years ago”?

  • G. Miller

    Can somebody please tell me why the priests who committed these serious felonies, and their superiors who protected them, are not being prosecuted and sent to jail?

  • JBlilie
  • George

    I think the question is a bit unfair too but given the continuing media attention it does need to be addressed. It seems that a lot of the really angry posts are not very well informed and based on crazy assumptions and unfounded statements.

    The point in reminding that many of these offenses – took place years ago is useful for context. Back then these sorts of incidents were not openly discussed- by anyone – they were horrible, disgusting and embarrassing. No one really knew what to do about it and it certainly wasn’t anything that anyone even thought needed to be part of training or education. People in charge were totally unprepared to know what should be done – they didn’t want to embarrass the victim, the church or their community. The psychological community back then advised to deal with victim and perpatrator quietly and gently for the good of the victim. Like it or not – this was the “expert advice” – not the bishop’s wisdom. People can’t honestly believe they thought this behavior was good – or should be encouraged. These were incidents that happened in isolation – in the aggregate it seems like big numbers but as we have learned in the context of the broader society – the incidence is not really more and probably less than other societal groups.

    What should be done? Exactly what is being done – take strong measures, react immediately, seek legal prosecution, waive the statute of limitations,reach out to provide remediation to victims. All of this and more is being done. Go after the perpatrator with complete weight of the law.

    It does have to be asked – why are so many interested in vigorously pursuing the institutional Church instead of the individual perpatrators – it’s about the money. People say the school systems are doing their part – baloney – schools are immune from financial damages. When people say it’s not about the money – it’s about the money.

    Today any priest or religous person who is accused is immediately suspended and turned over to authorities – guilty until proven innocent. What other organization is doing anything close to this?

  • Ben Holmes

    As a lapsed American Catholic who has since found fairness and happy refuge in the Episcopal Church, I have some thoughts to offer.

    1. We are WAYYYYYY past sorry. Offering “tough words” adds insult to injury, and it offers NOTHING to the abuse victims and those who feel betrayed by the Vatican hierarchy. Apologies are not the ends, but the beginning.

    2. Mandatory celibacy is over. I don’t trust a system of all-male celibate priests anymore. I wouldn’t trust my future children to be around them. It is time to open up the priesthood to married men, as a start. Celibacy should be an option, not the requirement.

    3. Imperial imposition of bishops by the pope must end. The lay people must once again control the destiny of their parishes and their wider Roman Catholic Church. The current system is unaccountable and broken. Popular election of bishops by a convention of lay members, religious, and clergy.

    4. Parishes MUST have the authority to interview and hire their own clergy. The Roman hierarchy abused the trust of the people, and that will not be healed for some time.

    5. Did I mention that sorry IS NOT ENOUGH.

    But, I also take the time to invite dissident Catholics-with-conscience to join the Episcopal Church. You can hang on to ancient Catholic heritage without having to sacrifice your conscience.

  • Marg

    The number of abuse cases coming to light is just totally unacceptable to me (I am a catholic) – the Church should have acted decades ago. Its cover ups are beyond words, The anguish and pain the abused must feel is so great I cant begin to imagine it. The knowledge that thousands of children were just treated like so much fodder for pedophiles is enough for me. What utter comtempt the bishops must have towards ordinary decent families is beyond my comprehension. These people are agents of the devil himself and I dont wish to be associated with this Church anymore.

  • Eileen Lilly

    The abuses, rapes and demoralizations of children in the care of various religious orders are not just a crime against the children themselves, but are crimes against humanity in general. I speak from experience when I say that the offenses did not end with the immediate victims, but were carried on to other generations. What is needed is a factual submission of names, dates, places, as well as a very specific plan to eliminate any such crimes in the future. Apologies at this point are meaningless, unless accompanied by the foregoing.

  • DavidPun

    “Despite intentions which may be saintly, the unfortunate truth is that the Catholic Church is a great source of evil in this world. The church must bring their views into alignment with scientific understanding of human biology and sexuality. The expectation of lifelong abstinence from sex predictably leads some priests to inappropriate and evil outlets for their innate sexuality. Similarly, abstinence is not an effective birth control method and the church’s preaching against use of condoms is not only ineffective, it is evil when HIV transmission is the result.”

    Is this some kind of joke? The biggest problem that the church has, is that it hasn’t been able to avoid sinking into the morass of sexual degeneracy that is widespread in our modern society. Modern biology and science views religion as a mental abberration but the truth is that it also views any form of morality or belief as an evolutionary abberration with no intrinsic value. On the issue of HIV , science has been hijacked by the agenda of the homosexual community and has betrayed the integrity of the scientific process. While I agree we cannot rely on abstinence, it is simply crazy to tell people that it is safe to have sex with someone who has a fatal communicable disease as long as they wear a 1mm thick piece of plastic on their genitals!! Its about as safe as wearing a face mask and having sex with someone with smallpox. Recent estimates of condom use suggest that the net effectiveness of condoms as a barrier to disease is around 86% -87%. and around 98.7% for prevention of pregnancy. this is because there are additional natural barriers that reduce the probability of preganancy. There is no such barrier for the HIV virus. Yet scientists do not tell the truth about this. If you think this is safe, 83% is is the probability of surviving a game of Russian Roulette.

    Anything that slows down the propagation of the HIV virus will help reduce the infection rate, but telling people that it is safe to have sexual relations with a person who has a deadly disease is a really stupid policy.

    You may disagree with the Church and you are entitled to do so, but don’t make the simple mistake of assuming that the other side of the fence is any more credible.