Users react to 2C-E overdose case on web forums

The Blaine overdose case has been a popular discussion item on online message boards frequented by people who present themselves as drug users.

Nineteen-year-old Trevor Robinson-Davis died Thursday after inhaling 2C-E, and a fellow partygoer who allegedly supplied the drug has been charged with third-degree murder in his death.

I did some web searching while pursuing a story about the legality of 2C-E and whether there have been other criminal cases involving 2C-E. In the process, I found several online message boards where people were discussing the case.

Below are a few examples of things people are saying, with links to the message boards. Please note: I didn’t have time to vet statements on the message boards for accuracy and haven’t tried to interview a drug user about their experiences. But maybe one will contact me through this post.

“I need to stock up before it gets hard to find.” I saw several posts predicting that because of the death, authorities would ban 2C-E. The Drug Enforcement Administration already says it’s illegal under the Federal Analog Act. But it isn’t on the list of controlled Schedule I or Schedule II substances, meaning it’s not as easy for prosecutors to pursue cases. Sen. Amy Klobuchar has already promised to introduce legislation banning 2C-E. Shroomery.org discussion.

“I have no sympathy for any of these kids.” There were a lot of angry posts on the message boards, where users can remain anonymous. People were mainly concerned that this group used 2C-E without being careful and that lawmakers would pounce on the opportunity to ban it. Zoklet.net discussion.

“There’s no way you should die from it unless, you are in fact doing it like coke.” According to authorities, some who overdosed in Blaine DID inhale it, including Robinson-Davis. Others ingested it. The user who posted the comment also said he/she spent two weeks researching 2C-E before ordering it. Other posts expressed surprise by the death reportedly caused by 2C-E and speculated about the possibility that the group mixed 2C-E with another drug, resulting in extreme effects. Shroomery.org discussion.

“I’m wondering … if there is a tainted or mislabeled batch going around.” Some users wondered if this was the issue and expressed fear about the incident. Authorities said the state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension tested the drug to be 2C-E. Bluelight.ru discussion.

Got any thoughts on this reaction?

  • TCL

    Hello, I’m the one who made the first comment quoted by this article.

    I want to say a few things.

    2C-E is a very safe drug. There are no recorded overdoses, and from what I’ve read, the death attributed to 2C-E has not been positively linked to the pharmacology of 2C-E. For all we know, his death could have been caused by anything; all we know for sure is that he was on 2C-E when it happened. Thousands die of alcohol overdose every year, but the failure of prohibition taught us that attempting to restrict the use of drugs, however harmful, has social consequences far more harmful than the drugs themselves.

    My deepest condolences go out to the family and friends of the dead, and I am disappointed by the hostile reaction exhibited by some of my fellow psychonauts. With that having been said, 2C-E can be counted upon not to cause dangerous complications when it is dosed appropriately. Perhaps we should attribute this death not to the drug, but to the climate of ignorance and fear manifested by the prohibition of similar, better-known drugs.

    I am extremely disappointed by the mainstream media coverage of this case. Articles I’ve read near-universally attempt to compare the distinctively psychedelic pharmacology of 2C-E to that of stimulant drugs ecstasy, cocaine, and methamphetamine. This comparison is wholly inappropriate. Unlike those drugs, 2C-E does not cause neurotoxicity, cardiovascular stress, or compulsive re-dosing.

    I am a regular listener to NPR and I strongly admire publicly-funded journalism. I have always believed that it can stand as a bulwark against dehumanizing corporate and private interests that find their expression in the mainstream news cycle. I hope that this faith will be vindicated, rather than mocked, by ensuing coverage of this story.

    Thank you.

  • lifesjourney

    Reading through the article and the opions of others. It is striking how there can be such a diverse and wide range of thought to this all .

    To believe andy drug you buy or choose to sell on the streets is safe is to say you would tell someone if you jump from this 10 story building you will not get hurt . Yet if you jump from the 20 story there may be a bit more risk . Either way you Fall do you not ..? The ground beneath you is not there to catch you as are these drug any insurance of what is safe and not . Risk I realize is apart of this world one lives in but the risk you take is as this young man was one that will be his last .

    Whether it is to experiment or if to be one who has been one of lets say a career user or seller . Let me tell you there is not assurance with any of this , as all drugs will react differently in everyone and as one said ” maybe it was laced with something else . Who is to know . The choice was made by both the Dealer and user . Who is to blame . ? At this time as the family mourns and is heartbroken , how is blame may not even come into mix . Though as law is the dealer is responsible for what they chose to do , It did not just become illegal to sell or this crime did not just hit the map so that this is the first nor last time this will be . What is saddest of all is that two young men have lost their lives . One that will be locked up , and one that will never be able to even be.

    Reasoning and excuses will not white wash this away . For what is in these drugs will take many lives away .

    If not today then down the line . Do not let it continue to be , If it to deal or to use or to watch on the side line . One fine day it will be one of yours or mine . A family now tat has to say good bye to a son , and the other in turn , is pleading for the other so that he may be found innocent for what he has done . Yet truly both were choices made , both with a consquence that you can not go back on now .

    A drug is a drug no matter how you take it or use it . As is a fall is a fall . No matter what names are tagged to it today or tomorrow . It is all the same dangerous and illegal .

    Stay safe and be wise in what you do .

    Take pause before you Deal and take another pill for it may be you last time , your last day , your last breath you will ever have .

    Do not let another family have to say goodbye to another . The greatest price to pay in all of this .. There is not profit in that at all,

  • Light

    While I view Mr. Robinson’s death as a tragedy, I feel that the reaction on the parts of the individuals involved in the incident and the coverage by the media is deeply troublesome. Whether or not the general public chooses to believe it, there is a considerable portion of the public that can be categorized as RESPONSIBLE drug users, users who research the nature of the substances they choose to put in their bodies. Many users learn and grow dramatically from the experiences they have while in a (safely) altered state. And yes, there is such a thing as using a drug SAFELY. The “2c” family is a class of psychedelic phenethylamines which, at doses ranging from 1-15mg, has no lasting negative physiological consequences. The fact is, ignorant decisions were made, and my sympathy goes out to those who have been affected by the repercussions of those decisions, but issuing a blanket ban on a substance because it is misunderstood and a small group of users suffered from their own ignorance is not the answer. 2c-e is not addictive, it is not unhealthy, and in reasonable, moderate doses it is not dangerous. In fact, it can facilitate deep and profound lessons of self-discovery, so please, let’s not be too hasty. If you are going to write an article, make sure it is informed, make sure you know of what you speak. Hopefully, when enough people are educated, policy makers will begin to make legislation based on rational, reasonable stances.

    Because, whether or not you agree with me… Drugs are going to continue to exist, and there will continue to be drug users, and our current policy is doing very little to address the root of our problems. If Mr. Robinson had been educated about the substances he was consuming, and if his friends had been as well, he might still be alive today. 2c-e is relatively harmless. I would know. I’ve taken it a considerable number of times, but always in carefully measured doses (between 10 and 25mg), with educated sitters present to watch over me, and I have never suffered from an adverse reaction. That is the power of information. Let’s direct our resources not at prosecuting users and abusers, but instead at educating and informing our youths about the facts involved with substance usage.

    And to Ms. Dunbar, the author: I’d be happy to answer any questions you may have for a *responsible* drug user.

  • Evoc

    I mean no offense to Light, but I do have a legitimate question. Light, you have determined that every drug is metaphorically a “fall”, in that it will somehow injure you. But to that I ask, what is your stance on drugs (not necessarily 2C-E, which is admittedly under researched) that have been clinically proven to not cause physical damage to the human body? Would you still consider this a “fall” of some degree? Are you morally opposed to altering consciousness for pleasure or personal exploration? Or do you simply not wish people to be harmed by potentially dangerous substances. I ask only because objectively speaking, there are psychoactive substances which exist that cause negligible or no long-term or permanent physiological harm to a human being, and I am curious as to what you think about that.